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Could Falcons be Changing to a 3-4 Base?


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Not a bad idea given the DL struggles coming off the edge. Might as well mix up the Pass rush with hybrid defense.  

Vic: Light, speed rusher and one trick pony at this point. Suited as OLB in 3-4

Takk: Low ceiling, inconsistent 6-7 sack/ year guy, nothing special. He is probably suited for 3-4 OLB as well.

Let Grady play DE in 3-4 and wreck havoc. 

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Would be interesting and I wouldn't put it past DQ. He's a defensive mastermind, so if anybody can meld schemes in an offseason, it's him. It makes sense why he'd double down on Vic as well, given he's more 3-4 OLB than hand in the dirt DE. 

It also matches with the personnel additions and the lack of LBs added. You have your two LBs already and if you run it more like the Rams 3-4 than the Ravens 3-4, Grady can dominate and keeping Debo clean would be a plus as well. 

More than anything, I think it will be a multiple unit. Not like Smitty/Nolan, but legit multiple. 

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11 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

Not a bad idea given the DL struggles coming off the edge. Might as well mix up the Pass rush with hybrid defense. 

Vic: Light, speed rusher and one trick pony at this point. 

Takk: Low ceiling, inconsistent 6-7 sack/ year guy, nothing special. 

Let Grady play DE in 3-4 and wreck havoc. 

The interest in Bailey is what perked my curiosity.

8 minutes ago, vel said:

Would be interesting and I wouldn't put it past DQ. He's a defensive mastermind, so if anybody can meld schemes in an offseason, it's him. It makes sense why he'd double down on Vic as well, given he's more 3-4 OLB than hand in the dirt DE. 

It also matches with the personnel additions and the lack of LBs added. You have your two LBs already and if you run it more like the Rams 3-4 than the Ravens 3-4, Grady can dominate and keeping Debo clean would be a plus as well. 

More than anything, I think it will be a multiple unit. Not like Smitty/Nolan, but legit multiple. 

Plus as you know, the 4-3 under has a lot of 3-4 alignment in it anyways, so it wouldn’t be a radical change.

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I doubt it, we likely won't have any effective NTs unless Senat all of a sudden and Davison dominate. Also what about Foye? he's playing well and you have to get him on the field. I think we will still be a 4-3 under defense that will utilize 3-4 looks.

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4 minutes ago, youngbloodz said:

We would need bigger LBs and a bigger DL to run a true 3-4.

Especially in the middle on run downs.   Not sure where Deion Jones would play in a 3-4...  Takk and Vic both have size to play inside, but seems to me this move would be to free them up outside.

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Just now, Osiruz said:

I doubt it, we likely won't have any effective NTs unless Senat all of a sudden and Davison dominate. Also what about Foye? he's playing well and you have to get him on the field. I think we will still be a 4-3 under defense that will utilize 3-4 looks.

A 4-3 under is a 3-4 defense basically .. the only difference is the LEO at 9 with his hands in the dirt instead of standing up.

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1 minute ago, GeorgiaBoyz said:

A 4-3 under is a 3-4 defense basically .. the only difference is the LEO at 9 with his hands in the dirt instead of standing up.

LBers are much smaller in a 4-3 under. Deion, Foye, and Campbell would have to bulk up.

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1 minute ago, egoprime II said:

Especially in the middle on run downs.   Not sure where Deion Jones would play in a 3-4...  Takk and Vic both have size to play inside, but seems to me this move would be to free them up outside.

Takk & Vic aren’t ILBs in any scheme though . You don’t have to be a certain size to play any position .. you have to be good at it . Size is 1/10 of the equation. Everybody here is always talking about size like that makes you better or more efficient at something. 

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12 minutes ago, youngbloodz said:

We would need bigger LBs and a bigger DL to run a true 3-4.

This is just not true. Aaron Donald has played in a 3-4 for the past two seasons. Their MLB was Mark Barron, former safety. 

They already added some bigger guys though. Senat can man the NT spot. He already showed that. You can run Grady/Senat/Davison with Cominsky/Hageman/Crawford behind them. I think that's why they looked at Bailey, as he's a better 5T than Clayborn. You have the personnel to run it. It's going to be a speed/penetration based scheme still. That's not changing ever under DQ. 

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We already do a lot of 4-3 under like many have stated. I think rather than a wholesale change to 3-4 as our base, you’ll see us running more stunts and bringing pressure from different spots rather than what we did last years. The stunts are what allowed Vic to have his breakout season. It wasn’t pure ability, it was scheme and play calling. I anticipate that we’ll see a lot more scheming with Quinn than we did with MM and I’m excited for that. Cominsky is an awesome project for Quinn and I believe he will be an integral rotational piece to our defensive puzzle. I also think hageman will contribute significantly in a rotational way. I’m. Pumped about the defense. 

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1 hour ago, Vandy said:

One of the few analyst I respect out there thinks they might.....

Starts at around 30:30

I’ve been wondering the same, especially when Bailey was rumored here.

But we still don’t have the personnel to effectively run a 3-4, do we?  That Michael Pierce type guy at NT.  Had we drafted Dex I would say absolutely.

But honest question: isn’t our personnel more suited to 4-3 under which has many 3-4 qualities but doesn’t require a 340 lb run stuffing DT?  

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14 minutes ago, Vandy said:

I hear you on LBer blood, but haven’t we been going after bigger DL all offseason? 

Bailey....Cominsky.....Hageman.....Davison....these   guys are more 3-4 types than 4-3.....

Great point. I don't think we would ever run a true 3-4. Q loves speed and quickness too much. I can see us running 3-4 some. The 4-3 under has 3-4 principles 

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34 minutes ago, GeorgiaBoyz said:

No we wouldn’t . 

DE- Grady/Crawford

NT- Senat/Davidson

DE- Hageman/Cominsky

Thats a stout front . Size wise . 

Not sure those NT’s eat up enough blocks.  The nose is the most important part of the 3-4.  Responsible for 2 gaps and occupying 2 lineman.  Every play. You entrusting that to Senat?

Quinn has never run a 3-4 so I doubt this has any teeth to it.  Not as a base defense.  Certainly could see 3-4 looks this year

The zone blitzes out of a 3-4 would be sick, though

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But this goes back to something I've been saying all offseason:

This defense does not lack talent.

Vic, Takk, Grady, Crawford, Clayborn, Senat, Davison, Hageman, Cominsky

Debo, Campbell, Foye, Carter, Duke

Tru, Oliver, Kazee, Rico, Neal, Sheffield, Miller, Neasman, Wilcox, Wreh-Wilson

Your top end talent can compete with a lot of other players. Vic is a former All Pro. Grady is a PB caliber DT. Clayborn is a former first rounder who's been consistent. Crawford gave you 6 sacks. Takk is primed to break out. Senat showed a lot of promise as a rookie. Davison is a solid run stopping option. Hageman is a major wild card that showed immense potential before his downfall. There is no lack of talent on the DL. If DQ thinks a scheme change can unlock guys like Vic and Takk to get after QBs more consistently, can open the door for Grady to sniff double digit sacks, for a more physical unit overall, best believe he's going for it. 

It's really a shifted Under front. DQ has shown he'll experiment with different fronts. Remember he shut down the Niners by dusting off a Bear front all game. You can't just run a 4-3 Under, Cover 3 defense anymore. He knows that. Adding a chunk of 3-4 looks could be a boon. One gapping, not that two gapping stuff. He's still about pressure looks. He could even play with Takk down at 5T, Campbell at OLB, and Neal at MLB with Kazee on the field. He's got a crap ton of options and opposing offenses should be nervous. 

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56 minutes ago, Vandy said:

The interest in Bailey is what perked my curiosity.

Plus as you know, the 4-3 under has a lot of 3-4 alignment in it anyways, so it wouldn’t be a radical change.

And Takk getting some work at LB. even if it is complete switch, I expect to see lot of  4-3 mixed with 3-4.

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36 minutes ago, GeorgiaBoyz said:

A 4-3 under is a 3-4 defense basically .. the only difference is the LEO at 9 with his hands in the dirt instead of standing up.

Logged in only to say what you have already said.

People shouldn't get to locked in on traditional 4-3, 3-4 segments. We ran some true 3-4 lineups with a 0tech NT last year for a few plays and then switched back to a more 1tech with 3 tech later in the drive. Im expecting more hybrid stuff this year as DQ tweaks stuff.

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I don’t see a full switch to a 3-4 base, but I could see plenty of situations where we employ 3-4 alignments. We actually already do under DQ.

In fact, go back and watch that sack of Hageman’s on Aaron Rodgers in 2016 playoffs. Hageman is lined up at NT directly over GB Center Linsley. Hageman bull rushes Linsley, knocks him flat  on his ***, and gets a shoestring sack on Rodgers. 

I could see even more 3-4 packages this year against some of the better passing offenses in passing situations.

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