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14 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said:

If I had to choose between Mike Minor or Marcus Stroman give me Mike Minor. Minor has proven he can handle pitching for the Braves and his 1 postseason start is much better than Stroman's 2 postseason starts. He's also been better than Stroman this year. Give me Minor!!

I liked Minor.  Time for him to come home. 

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Giants have now won 7 straight games, this one thanks to the Mets dropping a fly ball. Giants are now 49-49 this season and 2 games out of the WC race. They're 14-2 in their last 16 games. I'd be pretty surprised if they sell. If they were to sell while playing their best baseball in years that fan base would riot.

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7 minutes ago, oztin said:

First off :tiphat:. I know this might be a stupid question but how is that a change-up? I thought a change-up was a slightly slower fastball that dipped at the last minute? 

Minors changeup is a little different. It's more of a change in velocity with late side movement. Part of why it's such an issue for hitters.

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49 minutes ago, Unkn0wn said:

Tigers asking price for Boyd is an established young MLB player and prospects. 

So someone like Camargo and mid tier guys or are they WAY overvaluing a guy I've never heard of until this month?

Because even Camargo seems like an overpay for a guy who doesn't look any better than what we have.

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28 minutes ago, Malachore said:

So someone like Camargo and mid tier guys or are they WAY overvaluing a guy I've never heard of until this month?

Because even Camargo seems like an overpay for a guy who doesn't look any better than what we have.

They would laugh at that offer. Boyd is a recent breakout but hes been very good and cant be a FA till 2023. His numbers say if you put him on a better defense his ERA auto drops to 3.50. Hes a swing and miss guy that doesnt walk people so add better defense and an NL lineup and he could dip lower. Hes also a very important trade chip to the Tigers rebuild, they need to max their value for him. I dont think they'll get a young established MLB player but they'll get the top prospect they want.

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36 minutes ago, Unkn0wn said:

They would laugh at that offer. Boyd is a recent breakout but hes been very good and cant be a FA till 2023. His numbers say if you put him on a better defense his ERA auto drops to 3.50. Hes a swing and miss guy that doesnt walk people so add better defense and an NL lineup and he could dip lower. Hes also a very important trade chip to the Tigers rebuild, they need to max their value for him. I dont think they'll get a young established MLB player but they'll get the top prospect they want.

I'm reluctant to think that.

He has a near 5 era for his career and it's up over 4 now. People said the same thing about coming to the NL and getting better defense when we traded for Gausman. 

At that point I'd just rather keep our prospects unless since I'm not seeing the difference between them.

Edit: you are right about walks though. 24 BB to 160 strikouts is eye popping.

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8 minutes ago, Malachore said:

I'm reluctant to think that.

He has a near 5 era for his career and it's up over 4 now. People said the same thing about coming to the NL and getting better defense when we traded for Gausman. 

At that point I'd just rather keep our prospects unless since I'm not seeing the difference between them.

Edit: you are right about walks though. 24 BB to 160 strikouts is eye popping.

But, who is the better arm out there that's realistically available? Bauer is likely unavailable because Cleveland leads the AL WC race right now. 

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1 minute ago, Unkn0wn said:

But, who is the better arm out there that's realistically available? Bauer is likely unavailable because Cleveland leads the AL WC race right now. 

Are you saying you feel like Boyd is the best realistic arm available between him, Minor, Stroman, Bumgarner?

I highly value your opinion so I'm trying to get on board with you here.

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9 minutes ago, Malachore said:

Are you saying you feel like Boyd is the best realistic arm available between him, Minor, Stroman, Bumgarner?

I highly value your opinion so I'm trying to get on board with you here.

The Giants aren't selling. Stroman and Boyd will give you about the same production IMO. You get 2 more years of Boyd than you do Stroman. Stroman's ERA actually projects a little higher than Boyd's with a better defense. Plus I think the Jays will ask more for Stroman because hes the more experienced guy. Minor I like but you could argue the same as Boyd. Minor's track record isn't a long one and he has an extensive injury history. I'd take any of them but I'm not sure the others are clearly better than getting 4 years of Boyd.

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2 minutes ago, Unkn0wn said:

The Giants aren't selling. Stroman and Boyd will give you about the same production IMPO. You get 2 more years of Boyd than you do Stroman. Stroman's ERA actually projects a little higher than Boyd's with a better defense. Plus I think the Jays will ask more for Stroman because hes the more experienced guy. Minor I like but you could argue the same as Boyd. Minor's track record isn't a long one and he has an extensive injury history. I'd take any of them but I'm not sure the others are clearly better than getting 4 years of Boyd.

So what you offering them?

If I'm only looking at this and next I think I'm still taking Minor. We likely go for Boyd and Greene if we talk to Detriot.

 

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13 minutes ago, Malachore said:

So what you offering them?

If I'm only looking at this and next I think I'm still taking Minor. We likely go for Boyd and Greene if we talk to Detriot.

 

I'd offer Wilson and Allard as the center. That's two top arms they can put in their rotation tomorrow.  

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