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4 minutes ago, LouDog said:

Id give them Waters amd Demeritte

Wouldnt be close to enough. Demeritte is having a good year but hes not a top prospect. His future is probably 4th OF. Hes a career .244 in the minors but does have good power. Hes not even a top 30 prospect in the system. 

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Just now, Unkn0wn said:

Wouldnt be close to enough. Demeritte is having a good year but hes not a top prospect. His future is probably 4th OF. Hes a career .244 in the minors but does have good power. Hes not even a top 30 prospect in the system. 

Not willing to give up Pache or Anderson. Who would you be willing to give them?

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They are in need of a backup catcher. Waters, Flowers, and any other prospect they want outside of Pache and Anderson

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19 minutes ago, LouDog said:

Not willing to give up Pache or Anderson. Who would you be willing to give them?

Not sure, I wouldn't trade Pache, Anderson or Waters though.  Waters has the potential to easily hit .300 in this league on a yearly basis. Pache, Waters and Acuna is your future OF. I'd offer up Allard in the deal, maybe Muller and Allard would be package. That gives the Pirates their two top 10 prospects and it subtracts from a significant strength of the Braves system.

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6 minutes ago, Unkn0wn said:

Not sure, I wouldn't trade Pache, Anderson or Waters though.  Waters has the potential to easily hit .300 in this league on a yearly basis. Pache, Waters and Acuna is your future OF. I'd offer up Allard in the deal, maybe Muller and Allard would be package. That gives the Pirates their two top 10 prospects and it subtracts from a significant strength of the Braves system.

The only reason id be willing to give up Waters is then we can keep Riley in left, Pache in center, Acuna in right, and then either resign Donaldson or make Camargo our starting 3rd baseman.

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6 minutes ago, Unkn0wn said:

Not sure, I wouldn't trade Pache, Anderson or Waters though.  Waters has the potential to easily hit .300 in this league on a yearly basis. Pache, Waters and Acuna is your future OF. I'd offer up Allard in the deal, maybe Muller and Allard would be package. That gives the Pirates their two top 10 prospects and it subtracts from a significant strength of the Braves system.

There is essentially not an offer out there where I would trade Pache, Waters, Anderson, or William Contreras at this point unless it was for a multi-year controlled, game-changing valued talent. 

For rentals, I'd expand that list to Wright and Wilson.

Velazquez is something in between; not a rental, but still just a relief pitcher, albiet an really good one. I'd consider having Wright or Wilson as the centerpiece of a trade, but that doesn't sound like it would be good enough for the Pirates. And quite frankly, I don't know why Pittsburgh would be looking to trade him mid-season anyway.

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I'm not sure why some people are so willing to just trade Waters but are completely unrelenting on Pache when Waters seems like hes going to be the better player to me.

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36 minutes ago, Malachore said:

I'm not sure why some people are so willing to just trade Waters but are completely unrelenting on Pache when Waters seems like hes going to be the better player to me.

Pache has Hall of Fame caliber defensive potential. He would probably be the best defensive centerfielder in the NL if not MLB as soon as he comes up. 

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2 hours ago, youngbloodz said:

Pache has Hall of Fame caliber defensive potential. He would probably be the best defensive centerfielder in the NL if not MLB as soon as he comes up. 

Bro HOF defense from a guy who hasn't even come here yet is a big assumption. 

We already have Ender, he gunns have to swing it to justify this hype. If I can only keep 1 it's gunna be Waters.

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2 hours ago, youngbloodz said:

Pache has Hall of Fame caliber defensive potential. He would probably be the best defensive centerfielder in the NL if not MLB as soon as he comes up. 

Yeah people seem to forget that defense is important.

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3 minutes ago, LouDog said:

Yeah people seem to forget that defense is important.

So is hitting the ball consistently. 

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39 minutes ago, Malachore said:

Bro HOF defense from a guy who hasn't even come here yet is a big assumption. 

We already have Ender, he gunns have to swing it to justify this hype. If I can only keep 1 it's gunna be Waters.

It's all about traits. He has the traits. Not saying he will be that but the traits says his potential is that. Acuna was a big assumption but he has so far lived up to it. Yadier Molina bat came around. But in the minors he was thought of having hall of Fame defensive potential. I think they were right on that one

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1 hour ago, Malachore said:

Bro HOF defense from a guy who hasn't even come here yet is a big assumption. 

We already have Ender, he gunns have to swing it to justify this hype. If I can only keep 1 it's gunna be Waters.

Chipper said last year that Pache would be in the majors on his defense alone.

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1 hour ago, Malachore said:

So is hitting the ball consistently. 

True. But you are saying that we can't assume he is going to be a great defensive player because he hasnt even played in the big leagues yet. Then you say Waters will be the more consistent hitter. So we can assume about hitting but not defense?

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22 minutes ago, LouDog said:

True. But you are saying that we can't assume he is going to be a great defensive player because he hasnt even played in the big leagues yet. Then you say Waters will be the more consistent hitter. So we can assume about hitting but not defense?

I think Malachore is making a good point though. It makes no sense to me that folks would claim Pache as untouchable and not put Waters right there beside him as untouchable. They're both either untouchable or both tradeable. I also like Waters as a prospect better than Pache because Waters has shown better offensive skills so far. Lets also not act like Waters is a scrub defensively.

While being amazing defensively is awesome and all, we don't need a Braves version of Billy Hamilton. I'm not saying Pache is going to end up being Billy Hamilton, just using that as a point that we'd like to see more offense from Pache in the minors.

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Just now, Falconsfan567 said:

I think Malachore is making a good point though. It makes no sense to me that folks would claim Pache as untouchable and not put Waters right there beside him as untouchable. They're both either untouchable or both tradeable. I also like Waters as a prospect better than Pache because Waters has shown better offensive skills so far. Lets also not act like Waters is a scrub defensively.

While being amazing defensively is awesome and all, we don't need a Braves version of Billy Hamilton. I'm not saying Pache is going to end up being Billy Hamilton, just using that as a point that we'd like to see more offense from Pache in the minors.

I would love to be able to keep both but i think it would take trading one of them to get the help we need. And if i had to chose between the two i would keep Pache. In my opinion they are our top two prospects not including pitchers. I just think we would have to lose one of them to get the deal done.

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49 minutes ago, LouDog said:

True. But you are saying that we can't assume he is going to be a great defensive player because he hasnt even played in the big leagues yet. Then you say Waters will be the more consistent hitter. So we can assume about hitting but not defense?

No I said saying HOF level defense is a big assumption. We all know he'll play good defense. 

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1 minute ago, Malachore said:

No I said saying HOF level defense is a big assumption. We all know he'll play good defense. 

Its a matter of preference. Chances are they will both be good mlb players. But if i gotta lose one to get the closer we need id rather lose Waters. Just my preference.

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But if we keep them both then our starting eight really could all be from our farm system next year. Waters, Pache, Acuna in the outfield. Move Riley to 3rd. Swanson at SS, Ozzie at 2nd, Freddie at 1st and have BMac split time with Contreras. That would be impressive.

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Drew Waters supposedly is just a shade ahead of Ronald Acuna as a center fielder. He can play it, but the preference would be neither play center field full time. Which, as a retrospective, it was said that Acuna had the athletic talent to play in CF while he was young, but he is rough around the edges and not as good at reading the ball as other CF’ers and well…we see that a lot.

So, you trade away Ender (which I do believe happens in the offseason), then you decide that Pache is more tradeable and the right deal comes along…then what’s your plan for CF, or do you just decide to go all mashers in the outfield? Trading outfield defense for offense is working this year but I don’t think AA has the stomach to keep doing it.

I think it's basically neither available but if the right deal came along, they'd trade Drew Waters first. They absolutely LOVE Pache and I've seen it said several times that they think he can out-WAR Acuna because his defense is that freaking good and he'll have enough offense.

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There was a rumor on twitter the Braves we're talking about Stroman for 2 prospects and Ender. Jon Heyman said that rumor is wrong. Braves and Jays have not spoken yet. Heyman said he was told the rumor was a "total fabrication".

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3 hours ago, Unkn0wn said:

There was a rumor on twitter the Braves we're talking about Stroman for 2 prospects and Ender. Jon Heyman said that rumor is wrong. Braves and Jays have not spoken yet. Heyman said he was told the rumor was a "total fabrication".

Good. Stroman doesn't strike me as a player to take us far into the playoffs.

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12 hours ago, VoiceofReason95 said:

Drew Waters supposedly is just a shade ahead of Ronald Acuna as a center fielder. He can play it, but the preference would be neither play center field full time. Which, as a retrospective, it was said that Acuna had the athletic talent to play in CF while he was young, but he is rough around the edges and not as good at reading the ball as other CF’ers and well…we see that a lot.

So, you trade away Ender (which I do believe happens in the offseason), then you decide that Pache is more tradeable and the right deal comes along…then what’s your plan for CF, or do you just decide to go all mashers in the outfield? Trading outfield defense for offense is working this year but I don’t think AA has the stomach to keep doing it.

I think it's basically neither available but if the right deal came along, they'd trade Drew Waters first. They absolutely LOVE Pache and I've seen it said several times that they think he can out-WAR Acuna because his defense is that freaking good and he'll have enough offense.

All players have an adjustment period to learning to playing OF at the MLB level. It's because the ball looks different off the bat in MLB parks than they do in minor league stadiums because of the upper deck. The hardest ball to read is the one hit straight at you, add in the change in backdrop, and it's natural that there's an adjustment period going on right now with Acuna in CF. But he's better there than he is in LF. He's not a bad defensive outfielder.

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