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Takk playing some LB

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This quote shows a little of the value of OTA’s for Takk & Vic

“They might have tried the same thing with Vic Beasleybut he’s skipping OTAs so he hasn’t yet, so for now McKinley’s getting some extra reps.

“There will be some packages where can be a linebacker,” Falcons coach Dan Quinn said of McKinley. “The value in that [presents the question of] is he a rusher or is he a dropper? . . .

“The more versatility that we have (the better). I’d rather start on those packages now. We may not play them all the way through, but I’d like to start on them and get the experience. That way when you get into the season, here’s a package that I’d like to discuss and we’ll have already put work in on it.”

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8 minutes ago, Osiruz said:

DQ already said he will have TAKK at LBer in OTAs to see if he can cover and keep the OL guessing. Sounds like he might be dialing more blitzes this year, and will be scheming pressure. 

More blitzes would be nice.

 

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1 minute ago, Ergo Proxy said:

Takk is our offseason LB upgrade. We going to a 3-4 with VB playing NT; that's why he is afraid to show up for OTAS!! :lol:

It’s no longer NASCAR package, it’s our wind up tinker toy package

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If Everyone knows there assignment then blitzing wont be a problem.  Last year many of the players were lost.

Dan has to fine tune it and add new things every year. Keep em guessing. Team being athletic helps a lot.

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2 hours ago, Osiruz said:

DQ already said he will have TAKK at LBer in OTAs to see if he can cover and keep the OL guessing. Sounds like he might be dialing more blitzes this year, and will be scheming pressure. 

Not sure it means more blitzes.  Sounds like more drop into coverage from the DE while a SLB or SS is the 4th rusher

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Ok let me explain our system to you guys again. The 4-3 under Is akin to 3-4 basically where you take a LB and makes him a hybrid DE/LB. if he keeps his hand in the dirt he’s a DE. If he stands up he’s a LB. It’s that simple.

 

Takk played some LB in college as did Beasley. Look at it this way. If it’s a LB that’s made for a 3-4 he can play in our system as a DE. And also y’all seem to think hearing LB means he won’t be rushing. I’m sure he’s not intending for takk to drop in coverage. He’ll be a rusher as a LB.

 

Quinn should try different things to generate pressure. I wouldn’t have my HC any other way. Walsh did that. Belichik does that but when our coach tries it y’all question him? Beasley played LB pretty good.

 

The reason y’all are saying he sucked at LB was because he wasn’t rushing and was dropping into coverage. But if you recall when duke got hurt Campbell had to move back to WLB and Beasley moved to SLB. The defense gave up 13 or 15 ppg for the remainder of the season after that move. SO yea on one hand Beasley wasn’t rushing as much but he tightened the defense up as a SLB. But that was in 4-3. Not nickel.

 

I’m sure takk isn’t playing LB in nickel. James Harrison. Anybody remember him? All he did was rush at OLB in the Steelers 3-4 from the RIGHT side of the defense. I suspect that’s how Quinn is playing takk. Rushing him as an off ball LB from the RIGHT side of the defense. Not the left side where the OLB will drop in coverage because that’s typically the strong side of the offense. Beasley played LB on the LEFT side of the defense . 

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16 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Not sure it means more blitzes.  Sounds like more drop into coverage from the DE while a SLB or SS is the 4th rusher

If he shows a 3-4 look he’ll be rushing. The LB opposite the strong side usually rushes. Ala James Harrison and Lawrence Taylor. Takk plays on the right so he’d be opposite strong side so he’d more likely rush. If it’s a 3-4 look. Now if it’s SLB in 4-3 same applies. He will cover more because of the TE unless he blitzes and a safety will take the TE. 

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3 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

I’m sure he’s not intending for takk to drop in coverage.

I'm not so sure my friend.  I agree with everything you said, but I would not put it past this coach to get cute and drop Takk.

“There will be some packages where can be a linebacker,” Falcons coach Dan Quinn said of McKinley. “The value in that [presents the question of] is he a rusher or is he a dropper? . . .

“The more versatility that we have (the better). I’d rather start on those packages now. We may not play them all the way through, but I’d like to start on them and get the experience. That way when you get into the season, here’s a package that I’d like to discuss and we’ll have already put work in on it.”

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7 minutes ago, athell said:

I'm not so sure my friend.  I agree with everything you said, but I would not put it past this coach to get cute and drop Takk.

“There will be some packages where can be a linebacker,” Falcons coach Dan Quinn said of McKinley. “The value in that [presents the question of] is he a rusher or is he a dropper? . . .

“The more versatility that we have (the better). I’d rather start on those packages now. We may not play them all the way through, but I’d like to start on them and get the experience. That way when you get into the season, here’s a package that I’d like to discuss and we’ll have already put work in on it.”

I mean yea he might. When it’s unexpected. Like James Harrison dropping for a pick 6 against Arizona. So yea you have that option but if you’re a good chess player you’ll rush him so film shows he usually rushes and then when you really need him to drop BOOM. Catches you off guard. That’s what I mean by he’s probably not intending to drop him in coverage. Especially if he’s playing on the left side of the defense. That’s a rush all day long opposite strong side. I’ve never seen Quinn get cute tho. The Beasley thing  wasn’t cute. It was necessary because half the LB’s was on IR and Campbell had to slide back to WLB when duke got hurt. Cute isn’t Quinn’s style. At least I haven’t seen it to this point. 

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1 minute ago, TheFatboi said:

I mean yea he might. When it’s unexpected. Like James Harrison dropping for a pick 6 against Arizona. So yea you have that option but if you’re a good chess player you’ll rush him so film shows he usually rushes and then when you really need him to drop BOOM. Catches you off guard. That’s what I mean by he’s probably not intending to drop him in coverage. Especially if he’s playing on the left side of the defense. That’s a rush all day long opposite strong side. 

My main concern is Quinn getting too handsy and too cute with this defense, overthinking it, and outkicking his coverage.  I guess if he does, it will be the last time he does for the Atlanta Falcons, but ugh man I just want a great defense.

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3 minutes ago, athell said:

My main concern is Quinn getting too handsy and too cute with this defense, overthinking it, and outkicking his coverage.  I guess if he does, it will be the last time he does for the Atlanta Falcons, but ugh man I just want a great defense.

He’s never shown to be a cute coach. I never saw it in Seattle and I haven’t seen it whenever he took over the defense. I think he’s doing all the things he used to do in Seattle now that he’s the DC. He can focus on the details and have them do what HE wants the way he wants it done. He’s a no non sense coach. Not a cute guy. You can’t be fast and physical getting cute cause you’re giving them too much to think about. 

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1 minute ago, TheFatboi said:

He’s never shown to be a cute coach. I never saw it in Seattle and I haven’t seen it whenever he took over the defense. I think he’s doing all the things he used to do in Seattle now that he’s the DC. He can focus on the details and have them do what HE wants the way he wants it done. He’s a no non sense coach. Not a cute guy. You can’t be fast and physical getting cute cause you’re giving them too much to think about. 

That has been my other concern with him all along, trying to relive the glory days of the LOB but with the Atlanta personnel.  My fear is square peg round hole with all of this, but I hope you are right bro.

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2 minutes ago, Flying Falcon said:

@TheFatboi He will be dropping back in coverage. Just like Vic was.

Vic was playing SLB. You have to drop in coverage on that side to cover the TE. Strong side. If he’s playing and the opposite side of the strong side he won’t be dropping in coverage much. That’s what you have to find out. Is he playing strong side or the side he play so on already. Weak side. I don’t see it. My guess is Quinn is installing some 3-4 looks and having takk stand up as a LB. if he’s on the weak side he’s rushing. So it depends on what side he’s playing on. You just don’t drop just to drop. It’s a philosophy to it. Depends on what side he’s on. 

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1 minute ago, athell said:

That has been my other concern with him all along, trying to relive the glory days of the LOB but with the Atlanta personnel.  My fear is square peg round hole with all of this, but I hope you are right bro.

We don’t have any square peg round holes. It’s literally a scheme specific defense. Just like Seattle’s was. And it ain’t the glory days thing. Seattle is just a blue print. Just like **** lebeau. He’s gonna run his 3-4 defense no matter where he goes. And he’s gonna get the same type of players to make it run. ANY good coach will do that. Any good coach also knows last season was last season. You deal with each new season accordingly. Nobody changes what they’re used to doing for a career. You may tweak it but you don’t completely change. Belichik has never completely changed to something he’s never done. Why would Quinn be any different? You’re signing your own death certificate when you do that. 

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Just now, TheFatboi said:

We don’t have any square peg round holes. It’s literally a scheme specific defense. Just like Seattle’s was. And it ain’t the glory days thing. Seattle is just a blue print. Just like **** lebeau. He’s gonna run his 3-4 defense no matter where he goes. And he’s gonna get the same type of players to make it run. ANY good coach will do that. Any good coach also knows last season was last season. You deal with each new season accordingly. Nobody changes what they’re used to doing for a career. You may tweak it but you don’t completely change. Belichik has never completely changed to something he’s never done. Why would Quinn be any different? You’re signing your own death certificate when you do that. 

Literally my feeling right now of what Quinn is doing.  Like I said, I hope you are right and I am wrong, but I feel like we were sold a bill of goods with Quinn and he has yet to deliver.  The plus side is, if he is going to deliver, it will be this year.  I will gladly eat crow.

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