PFF: Matt Ryan 2018

[FalconsIn2012]

I was digging into QB’s clean pocket passer rating and noticed an oddity.  First, Ryan was better than 10th last year, but they grade him behind Baker Mayfield and in front of Watson.  Then I noticed he wasn’t on the PFF top 101 players.  Somehow they simply skipped over him...lol.  The list below is the QB rankings.  I’ll post the top 101 rankings in new post. 

 

9. BAKER MAYFIELD, CLEVELAND BROWNS

Overall Grade: 84.5

Mayfield’s rookie campaign didn’t have the best of starts, but that was only because he was on the bench. On the field, the former Oklahoma standout was spectacular. He finished the year ranked second behind Wilson in big-time throw percentage at 8.0%.

10. MATT RYAN, ATLANTA FALCONS

Overall Grade: 84.3

Ryan’s Falcons didn’t make the playoffs in 2018, but he wasn’t the root issue. Ryan finished the year ranked 11th in big-time throw to turnover-worthy throw ratio and ranked fifth in clean-pocket passer rating (116.6).

11. DESHAUN WATSON, HOUSTON TEXANS

Overall Grade: 82.6

Watson made the best of one of the NFL’s worst offensive lines en route to a playoff berth, and that can’t be overstated. He led the NFL in total pressured dropbacks (281) and passer rating under pressure (88.2).

[FalconsIn2012]

75. BAKER MAYFIELD, CLEVELAND BROWNS

Top 101 appearances: New entry

After failing to win any games in the 2017 season, Mayfield helped orchestrate Cleveland to seven wins in 2018. Mayfield finished with the eighth-best overall grade among quarterbacks this season at 84.5, but it was his accuracy and his ability to push the ball downfield that made his debut season special. Among all quarterbacks, the number-one overall draft pick’s big-time throw rate of 7.3 percent ranked third-best for the year.

76. DARIUS LEONARD, INDIANAPOLIS COLTS

Top 101 appearances: New entry

Leonard may have had impressive tackle totals, but he was also equally impressive as a blitzer, as a run stopper and as a coverage defender. Whichever way you slice it, Leonard ended a mightily productive regular season with 56 total defensive stops next to his name – the third-most among players at the position.

77. DESHAUN WATSON, HOUSTON TEXANS

Top 101 appearances: New entry

Deshaun Watson came into this season surrounded by uncertainty due to his season-ending ACL injury last year, but he played a full 16 games this season and finished with the 12th-best grade (82.6) out of 39 qualifying quarterbacks. Watson made the best of one of the NFL’s worst offensive lines en route to a playoff berth, and that can’t be overstated. He led the NFL in total pressured dropbacks (281) and passer rating under pressure (88.2).

 

UNLESS I AM MISSING SOMETHING, RYAN BELONGS WHERE WATSON IS...lol

[Monolith2001]

15 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

I was digging into QB’s clean pocket passer rating and noticed an oddity.  First, Ryan was better than 10th last year, but they grade him behind Baker Mayfield and in front of Watson.  Then I noticed he wasn’t on the PFF top 101 players.  Somehow they simply skipped over him...lol.  The list below is the QB rankings.  I’ll post the top 101 rankings in new post. 

I agree but they also covered themselves:

• This list is created with an “all positions are created equal” mantra. So, you won’t see 32 quarterbacks heading the list — even though that is the game’s most valuable position. Instead, we take a look at how guys played relative to what is expected from their position.
• Unlike PFF’s awards, the 101 factors in the postseason, so some players who won PFF awards may find themselves jumped in the 101 by rivals who had a playoff run worthy of a change in ranking.

These two conditions give them a lot of wiggle room.   Matt is a ten year vet while the other two guys are effectively rookies.   The abundance of "playoff" teams has a lot of guys padding the 101.  In other words they have applied some very subjective rules to their "ratings" so that I could see MR2 being pushed off the list.  That said, Matt played good enough and whether he was on their list in any capacity doesn't matter.  We need a running game and a better defense more than an offseason PFF 101 appearance for Matt.

[FalconFanSince1970]

Mayfield and Watson probably got boosted by rushing stats.

[FalconsIn2012]

42 minutes ago, Monolith2001 said:

I agree but they also covered themselves:

• This list is created with an “all positions are created equal” mantra. So, you won’t see 32 quarterbacks heading the list — even though that is the game’s most valuable position. Instead, we take a look at how guys played relative to what is expected from their position.
• Unlike PFF’s awards, the 101 factors in the postseason, so some players who won PFF awards may find themselves jumped in the 101 by rivals who had a playoff run worthy of a change in ranking.

These two conditions give them a lot of wiggle room.   Matt is a ten year vet while the other two guys are effectively rookies.   The abundance of "playoff" teams has a lot of guys padding the 101.  In other words they have applied some very subjective rules to their "ratings" so that I could see MR2 being pushed off the list.  That said, Matt played good enough and whether he was on their list in any capacity doesn't matter.  We need a running game and a better defense more than an offseason PFF 101 appearance for Matt.

IF Ryan is ranked ahead of Watson in the QB Ranking, how can he be below him (not ranked at all) in the overall ranking.  It makes no sense.  Ryan has an 84.3 overall grade but isn’t on the list while Watson has an 80.3 and ranks 77th.  They just forgot about  Ryan IMO

[falcons007]

PFF voodoo grades. 

[FalconsIn2012]

12 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

PFF voodoo grades. 

Yes!!!  

How does 5,000 yards, 69% completion, 35 TD’s & 7 INT’s finish outside the top 100?  And 10 QB’s did not outperform Ryan.  I’d put him 5th last year

[Monolith2001]

39 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

IF Ryan is ranked ahead of Watson in the QB Ranking, how can he be below him (not ranked at all) in the overall ranking.  It makes no sense.  Ryan has an 84.3 overall grade but isn’t on the list while Watson has an 80.3 and ranks 77th.  They just forgot about  Ryan IMO

I'm not defending PFF, I am agreeing with you but they did give themselves subjective license to rank Matt worse.

• Matt Ryan:  10 year vet, good to elite WRs and decent RBs with an average Oline .
• Baker Mayfield: Rookie elevates a bottom feeder team with Jarvis Landry and rookie Chubb to lean on.  Average Oline (PFF rated them highly tho).
• Deshaun Watson:  1.5 years, terrible Oline.  Has one good WR with a decent set of backs.

Edited May 29, 2019 by Monolith2001

[FalconsIn2012]

3 minutes ago, Monolith2001 said:

I'm not defending PFF, I am agreeing with you but they did give themselves subjective license to rank Matt worse.

• Matt Ryan:  10 year vet, good to elite WRs and decent RBs with an average Oline.
• Baker Mayfield: Rookie elevates a bottom feeder team with Jarvis Landry and rookie Chubb to lean on.  Average Oline.
• Deshaun Watson:  1.5 years, terrible Oline.  Has one good WR with a decent set of backs.

So they don’t use their own rankings when filling out the top 100?  Just because Ryan was ranked 10th best QB by PFF doesn’t mean he will be the 10th Qb listed on the top 100? 

Guess I’m confused

[vel]

Recency bias. Something that never favors Matt in the media. That's how you get articles thinking guys like Derek Carr are better than Matt during his MVP season. They like the new, young, fresh QBs. The older guys are taken for granted. 

[Monolith2001]

4 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

So they don’t use their own rankings when filling out the top 100?  Just because Ryan was ranked 10th best QB by PFF doesn’t mean he will be the 10th Qb listed on the top 100? 

Guess I’m confused

You have no idea how much I hate arguing for positions I do not want to take but think of it this way (maybe you're not a car guy like me).  Let's say that you, Falcons007 and me race.   You are an accomplished driver and drive a Ferrari 458 (not the new 488 but still a competitive car).  Falcons007 is new to the series and he's in a modified 370Z.  Not as powerful or as good handling but he manages to go as fast as you can with it.  Lastly there's me (drove a little previous year and all last year) in a tuned 2006 NSX-R...overmatched power-wise but somehow potent in spite of that deficit in power.   If I finish first in my old NSX and go to the championships and you and Falcons007 tie though he had an inferior car, how would you rank yourself relative to them.

[falcons007]

54 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Yes!!!  

How does 5,000 yards, 69% completion, 35 TD’s & 7 INT’s finish outside the top 100?  And 10 QB’s did not outperform Ryan.  I’d put him 5th last year

I don’t care about PFF grades, they should have stuck to raw metrics. 5th Is actually high if you look at top QB metrics for a QB. Just based on production, he is easily top 3. But then opinions matter more in this world than actual production in the field.

[FalconsIn2012]

26 minutes ago, Monolith2001 said:

You have no idea how much I hate arguing for positions I do not want to take but think of it this way (maybe you're not a car guy like me).  Let's say that you, Falcons007 and me race.   You are an accomplished driver and drive a Ferrari 458 (not the new 488 but still a competitive car).  Falcons007 is new to the series and he's in a modified 370Z.  Not as powerful or as good handling but he manages to go as fast as you can with it.  Lastly there's me (drove a little previous year and all last year) in a tuned 2006 NSX-R...overmatched power-wise but somehow potent in spite of that deficit in power.   If I finish first in my old NSX and go to the championships and you and Falcons007 tie though he had an inferior car, how would you rank yourself relative to them.

I know what you’re saying.  I just figured they used their grades (Ryan 84.3 & Watson 81.2) to determine the order of the rankings.  

And I appreciate your effort....lol

[FalconsIn2012]

1 minute ago, falcons007 said:

I don’t care about PFF grades, they should have stuck to raw metrics. 5th Is actually high if you look at top QB metrics for a QB. Just based on production, he is easily top 3. But then opinions matter more in this world than actual production in the field.

Preach

[falcons007]

Mahomes was the best QB in 2018 and deserved to be MVP.

[Vandy]

1 hour ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Yes!!!  

How does 5,000 yards, 69% completion, 35 TD’s & 7 INT’s finish outside the top 100?  And 10 QB’s did not outperform Ryan.  I’d put him 5th last year

5th? Other than Mahomes and perhaps Wilson, who was better than Ryan?

[FalconsIn2012]

9 minutes ago, Vandy said:

5th? Other than Mahomes and perhaps Wilson, who was better than Ryan?

I was trying not to be a homer and be modest.

[Jerz]

8 minutes ago, Vandy said:

5th? Other than Mahomes and perhaps Wilson, who was better than Ryan?

I’d argue Brees. His yardage was no where close to Ryans but his efficiency stats in 18’ are crazy good. Brees arm may be shot but it is still serviceable and his decision making is only getting better from what I can see.

[Dr Long Shot]

1 hour ago, vel said:

Recency bias. Something that never favors Matt in the media. That's how you get articles thinking guys like Derek Carr are better than Matt during his MVP season. They like the new, young, fresh QBs. The older guys are taken for granted. 

Only if that older is guy is Matt Ryan lol

[g-dawg]

Matt Ryan’s stats were crazy good.   You can’t fake that.  5/1 TD/INT ratio is ELITE.   35 TDs is elite.  Almost 5,000 yds again is ELITE.

In a normal year with an average defense, those QB numbers should translate to 11 wins.

[Dem Birds]

PFF is garbage. The end. 

[falcons007]

25 minutes ago, Jerz #DukeSZN said:

I’d argue Brees. His yardage was no where close to Ryans but his efficiency stats in 18’ are crazy good. Brees arm may be shot but it is still serviceable and his decision making is only getting better from what I can see.

Dumps off are very efficient. He had one of the lowest air yards attempted in NFL. 

[falcons007]

28 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

I was trying not to be a homer and be modest.

Ryan’s on field production says he was  best and most productive QB from 2016-2018. Brees would be second on the list. If Ryan was QB of cowboys, GB, Philly or NY, he would be all over the media.

[Vandy]

46 minutes ago, Jerz #DukeSZN said:

I’d argue Brees. His yardage was no where close to Ryans but his efficiency stats in 18’ are crazy good. Brees arm may be shot but it is still serviceable and his decision making is only getting better from what I can see.

Matt’s passed him by IMO...

[FalconsIn2012]

11 minutes ago, Vandy said:

Matt’s passed him by IMO...

Agreed.  I tried to have this conversation on Saints Report but the thread didn’t go well despite my being beyond complimentary 

https://saintsreport.com/threads/ryan-vs-brees.408664/