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Takk McKinley had the 2nd-highest pressure rate in the NFL last season

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1 hour ago, BoomGoesTheDynamite said:

Was gonna say "But we were top 10 in Defense in 2017". Then I saw this:

 

2017 Defenses: With and Without Pass Pressure
Defense Plays Pressure
Plays
Pressure
Rate
Rk DVOA
w/Pressure
Rk DVOA
no Pressure
Rk DVOA Dif. Rk
WAS 609 233 38.3% 1 -74.3% 7 36.0% 14 -110.3% 8
DAL 632 228 36.1% 2 -36.1% 25 42.1% 19 -78.1% 23
JAX 593 209 35.2% 3 -98.8% 2 14.3% 1 -113.1% 7
CIN 646 225 34.8% 4 -67.8% 11 53.0% 30 -120.7% 3
PIT 580 202 34.8% 5 -75.4% 6 34.0% 13 -109.3% 9
CAR 637 220 34.5% 6 -60.9% 14 26.4% 9 -87.3% 19
DEN 553 186 33.6% 7 -31.7% 26 29.4% 11 -61.1% 31
PHI 671 225 33.5% 8 -82.5% 4 37.8% 15 -120.4% 4
IND 563 186 33.0% 9 -20.6% 30 52.8% 28 -73.4% 25
NO 633 206 32.5% 10 -67.3% 12 24.4% 5 -91.7% 17
LAR 635 206 32.4% 11 -69.2% 10 16.7% 2 -85.9% 21
TEN 672 216 32.1% 12 -47.0% 20 47.9% 26 -95.0% 15
SEA 626 200 31.9% 13 -60.7% 15 32.5% 12 -93.1% 16
MIN 613 195 31.8% 14 -86.1% 3 20.4% 3 -106.4% 10
CLE 589 186 31.6% 15 -17.9% 31 44.1% 24 -62.0% 30
NYJ 613 192 31.3% 16 -27.9% 27 39.2% 17 -67.1% 27
Defense Plays Pressure
Plays
Pressure
Rate
Rk DVOA
w/Pressure
Rk DVOA
no Pressure
Rk DVOA Dif. Rk
KC 639 200 31.3% 17 -39.1% 23 47.9% 25 -87.0% 20
LAC 599 186 31.1% 18 -72.2% 8 25.8% 8 -98.0% 13
ATL 622 191 30.7% 19 -52.9% 18 49.1% 27 -102.0% 11
ARI 626 192 30.7% 20 -71.8% 9 25.3% 7 -97.1% 14
BAL 640 196 30.6% 21 -100.2% 1 24.7% 6 -124.9% 1
CHI 598 183 30.6% 22 -42.3% 22 27.0% 10 -69.2% 26
SF 609 186 30.5% 23 -22.4% 29 43.2% 21 -65.6% 28
HOU 566 169 29.9% 24 -25.5% 28 39.1% 16 -64.6% 29
NYG 620 185 29.8% 25 -48.5% 19 42.6% 20 -91.1% 18
GB 575 171 29.7% 26 -62.1% 13 59.5% 32 -121.6% 2
DET 631 183 29.0% 27 -76.1% 5 43.2% 22 -119.3% 5
NE 659 190 28.8% 28 -36.3% 24 40.7% 18 -77.1% 24
OAK 587 167 28.4% 29 -55.4% 17 59.4% 31 -114.8% 6
MIA 581 165 28.4% 30 -46.4% 21 52.8% 29 -99.2% 12
BUF 627 175 27.9% 31 -57.3% 16 23.5% 4 -80.8% 22
TB 600 156 26.0% 32 -17.5% 32 43.3% 23 -60.7% 32
NFL 614 194 31.6% - -55.5% - 37.5% - -93.0% -

 

Makes me sad, man :(

Cover 3 gives up the flats and seams so teams usually run lots of plays, hurting our DVOA.  But unless I’m reading it wrong we still finished 11th.

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12 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said:

#NoValueToOTA’s

You right.  These valuable reps will no doubt pay off for Takk when he faces all those coaches and coordinators this season.

#HugeValue #Yuuuuuuuuge #GetTheFoamPads

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9 hours ago, NeonDeion said:

Mike Smith was right. Sacks ARE overrated. But he forgot to say that pressures are not. Smith DL failed at getting pressures. Sacks are a lot of luck. The inefficiency in the market is paying DEs with low sack totals and high pressure rates. 

 

2 hours ago, Vandy said:

4 years in, Quinn’s DL’s haven’t been any better in generating pressures or sacks than Smith’s were. And with arguably more talent to work with.

Mike Smith defenses created way more turnovers and ended up in Top 10 for scoring twice. DQ had good D in 2017, I am yet to see the genius defense of Seattle in Atlanta. It is one of the reasons I was ok with picking two OL. This defense spent too much draft capital and has not much to show for. Ride and die with offense.

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Just now, falcons007 said:

 

Mike Smith defenses created way more turnovers and ended up in Top 10 for scoring twice. DQ had good D in 2017, I am yet to see the genius defense of Seattle in Atlanta. It is one of the reasons I was ok with picking two OL. This defense spent too much draft capital and has not much to show for. Ride and die with offense.

Don't forget MS defenses were much more disciplined.

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4 minutes ago, athell said:

You right.  These valuable reps will no doubt pay off for Takk when he faces all those coaches and coordinators this season.

#HugeValue #Yuuuuuuuuge #GetTheFoamPads

Low-key hope Vic gets more sacks than Takk this year and you bump this.

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8 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Cover 3 gives up the flats and seams so teams usually run lots of plays, hurting our DVOA.  But unless I’m reading it wrong we still finished 11th.

This talks about difference in DVOA with or with out pressure. It has nothing to do with over all DVOA. It just means the Falcons DVOA with or with out Pass rush isn’t much different.  

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2 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said:

Low-key hope Vic gets more sacks than Takk this year and you bump this.

I will gladly eat all the crow if Vic shows out.

I have no prob admitting when I was wrong.

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Just now, athell said:

I will gladly eat all the crow if Vic shows out.

I just want you to bump it so you can show that OTAs mean jack ****

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4 minutes ago, athell said:

Don't forget MS defenses were much more disciplined.

That is another big problem. How many picks were called back in 2017 coz of penalties. This defense couldn’t even line up correctly last year. It could be coz  of losing key players but showed no improvement.

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1 minute ago, falcons007 said:

This talks about difference in DVOA with or with out pressure. It has nothing to do with over all DVOA. It just means the Falcons DVOA with or with out Pass rush isn’t much different.  

Isn’t that a good thing if you were a top 8 defense that year.  Means you aren’t reliant on blitzing to play solid defense

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Just now, Yo_Lover said:

I just want you to bump it so you can show that OTAs mean jack ****

Ahhhh I gotcha.

Yeah I got no problem rubbing it in when I'm right too lol.  Tho people need to admit when they wrong and...well...ya know...

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1 minute ago, falcons007 said:

That is another big problem. How many picks were called back in 2017 coz of penalties. This defense couldn’t even line up correctly last year. It’s because of losing key players but showed no improvement.

Yes sir!

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Just now, Falconsin2012 said:

Isn’t that a good thing if you were a top 8 defense that year.  Means you aren’t reliant on blitzing to play solid defense

No that’s problem with cover 3, the QB can dump off pass under pressure. It just means we were terrible with or with out pressure, which explains less difference.  

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Just now, falcons007 said:

No that’s problem with cover 3, the QB can dump off pass under pressure. It just means we were terrible with or with out pressure, which explains less difference.  

I just don’t see a defense which finished 8th in yards allowed and 6th in points allowed as terrible.  Or is this not the 2017 year they are using?  It’s why DVOA has no value for Cover 3 teams

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51 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

This talks about difference in DVOA with or with out pressure. It has nothing to do with over all DVOA. It just means the Falcons DVOA with or with out Pass rush isn’t much different.  

It says we are 11th in how much pressure changes our DVOA score; the differential.

Only 10 teams had a wider gap with vs without pressure in their DVOA.

We go from 18th with pressure to 27th without.

All while having the 19th rate of pressure.

So, one could argue we were decent with pressure; albeit not great at generating it, but terrible without it. :shrug:

2017 D got drove on. We bent a lot that year. Struggled to get ball back; generate TOs, or generate 3&Outs otherwise.

Plays and points per drive metric. :) 

If we somehow end up in the top half in generating pressure this year, it’ll be a good year.

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58 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

It says we are 11th in how much pressure changes our DVOA score; the differential.

Only 10 teams had a wider gap with vs without pressure in their DVOA.

We go from 18th with pressure to 27th without.

All while having the 19th rate of pressure.

So, one could argue we were decent with pressure; albeit not great at generating it, but terrible without it. :shrug:

2017 D got drove on. We bent a lot that year. Struggled to get ball back; generate TOs, or generate 3&Outs otherwise.

Plays and points per drive metric. :) 

If we somehow end up in the top half in generating pressure this year, it’ll be a good year.

Good info...

But we had 622 plays run against us which is 14th in 2017.  So we weren’t facing more plays than teams like NE or Baltimore.  And we allowed just .307 points per play which was 7th best.  Better than Seahawks and just behind NE.

Points per play is the metric I look at for defensive success.

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20 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Good info...

But we had 622 plays run against us which is 14th in 2017.  So we weren’t facing more plays than teams like NE or Baltimore.  And we allowed just .307 points per play which was 7th best.  Better than Seahawks and just behind NE.

Points per play is the metric I look at for defensive success.

Points per drive is better. It took teams time to move down field on us but part of the equation here is our offense in 2017 had good TOP and kept our Defense off the field decently enough.

Of course, trouble was our red zone scoring once Levitre went down and especially the hobbled Free over Coleman vs PHI.

Points per play is one metric. We couldn’t get off the field. Sure, we weren’t getting lit up like 2018 but it was hardly a D that simply got you the ball back, as in a Dominant D.

2016 has some better performance ratings in some areas compared to 2017.

Points per play matters more if you can limit the number of plays a team runs on you, IMO. The other skews it in “well at least you took longer to score”...

I’d rather give up more yardage and PPG than 2017 if it meant more TOs and more meaningful; drive ending sacks.

This will ultimately give us more scoring for our offense at the expense of maybe 2-3 PPG as a Defense.

A few defensive TDs and suddenly it’s a far better defense. I remember the run D being better overall; after we signed Rubin, but the pass rush, Turnovers and length of plays per drive our D faced was very poor. Hence our weak DVOA.

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14 hours ago, Ergo Proxy said:

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Dang! I’ve never thought about this.

14 hours ago, Knight of God said:

Favorite game of all time. 

Hands down the best game. One of, if not the #1, greatest plot twists in any form of media. Would love to see Revan, Malak, Bastilla portrayed on TV/film.

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1 hour ago, Yo_Lover said:

I just want you to bump it so you can show that OTAs mean jack ****

 

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2 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said:

I just don’t see a defense which finished 8th in yards allowed and 6th in points allowed as terrible.  Or is this not the 2017 year they are using?  It’s why DVOA has no value for Cover 3 teams

No, the defense got masked because they had less drives because of offense leading NFL in time of possession in 2017. Falcons defense wasn’t good when you look at points/drive and yards/drive. IIRC Falcons defense was in 20s when it came to points/drive. If the Falcons Defense had to play as many drives as League average, it would have been worse. 

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We.drafted Talk bc of his high pressure% in college. It's very encourage to see that carrying over. If you can't get home at least make the q.b. have to move.

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15 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

No, the defense got masked because they had less drives because of offense leading NFL in time of possession in 2017. Falcons defense wasn’t good when you look at points/drive and yards/drive. IIRC Falcons defense was in 20s when it came to points/drive. If the Falcons Defense had to play as many drives as League average, it would have been worse. 

They were 7th in fewest points allowed per play which is the number I like.  Accounts for TO’s and how you play each and every down

The metric most analysts agree is best in judging a defense is yards per play.  In 2017 we were 11th.  

Also ranked 13th in OPP TOP at 49%.  That was a very solid defense

DVOA also said the Pats had a bottom 5 defense in 2017.  

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2 hours ago, CTann said:

Dang! I’ve never thought about this.

Hands down the best game. One of, if not the #1, greatest plot twists in any form of media. Would love to see Revan, Malak, Bastilla portrayed on TV/film.

Not with this writing team Disney has. Already want to skin someone over these last few

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4 hours ago, athell said:

Don't forget MS defenses were much more disciplined.

Has Mike Smith ever run a Super Bowl winning dominating defense before? DQ has put together dominating defenses that led the NFL and won Super Bowls. 

Last time DQ was DC was 2016 when Beasley led NFL in sacks. 

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2 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said:

They were 7th in fewest points allowed per play which is the number I like.  Accounts for TO’s and how you play each and every down

The metric most analysts agree is best in judging a defense is yards per play.  In 2017 we were 11th.  

Also ranked 13th in OPP TOP at 49%.  That was a very solid defense

DVOA also said the Pats had a bottom 5 defense in 2017.  

Another point is it got better as year went on. We built the defense  largely through the draft with a lot of young players all just starting to  gel. It was exactly opposite of our Super Bowl defense Reeves pit together that had peaked.

Too many fans ignore directional arrows and just look at stats. 

 

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