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Not the new Donald Trump Presidency thread

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On 7/18/2019 at 11:37 AM, Psychic Gibbon said:
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"They’re opportunists, they’re bottom feeders."

"No one is going to vote for their amendments. No one likes them. Their colleagues don’t like them. I’m sure their own families don’t like them."

"We aren’t begging for anything. They work for us. They should be begging for our forgiveness for being ******** for 15 years."

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Just gonna leave this guy summing up libertarians here.

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Just now, Boner said:

Imagine being this awful towards people who risked their lives, and paid dearly, on one of the worst days in American history.  What a ghoul...

Always funny that I get moral lectures from a troll named "Boner" on a daily basis.  :lol:

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15 minutes ago, Boner said:

70% of the country was behind it.  Leftists weren't.  

I was opposed to it and I was a moderate liberal at the time 

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Just now, The Legendary SB said:

Like I said,

1. There are charities for this cause.  If you care so much then donate.

2. A huge deficit does affect me and my family and yours and everybody else's.  

Man I Remember when you raised **** about the increase in defense spending. Or what about the billions being paid d to Farmers to offset the tariffs program?

 

Oh it's dying heroes that you draw the line at?

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2 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

I was opposed to it and I was a moderate liberal at the time 

I don't believe you.

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3 minutes ago, Jpowers said:

Man I Remember when you raised **** about the increase in defense spending. Or what about the billions being paid d to Farmers to offset the tariffs program?

Oh it's dying heroes that you draw the line at?

I'm opposed to most new spending.

Stop thinking of the government as charity and you'll start to understand.

Charity is charity, it's not the government's business.

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2 minutes ago, Jpowers said:

Man I Remember when you raised **** about the increase in defense spending. Or what about the billions being paid d to Farmers to offset the tariffs program?

 

Oh it's dying heroes that you draw the line at?

That money is going to conservative causes, so it's okay.  

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On 7/17/2019 at 10:36 AM, The Legendary SB said:

I would love to hear @HolyMoses's take on Omar and Tlaib's numerous anti-semitic remarks.

 

On 7/17/2019 at 0:57 PM, HolyMoses said:

Why don't you post them in context and I will be happy to.  In fact, post EVERYTHING they have said that shows they hate Jews, Israel, and America.

FWIW, believing that Israel should not settle the West Bank does NOT make you anti Israel Or Anti-Semitic.  Nor does expecting Israel to treat those in Gaza and the West Bank humanely.  The Golan Heights, however, were won fair and square in the 1967 and 1973 Wars.  

Thanks.

 

On 7/17/2019 at 1:06 PM, The Legendary SB said:

For starters:

“Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.” - Omar

"There’s, you know, there’s a kind of a calming feeling, I always tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence, in many ways, had been wiped out. " 
- Tlaib

 

On 7/17/2019 at 1:41 PM, HolyMoses said:

First:

In 2012, she tweeted that “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.” The tweet implied that Israel and its supporters were secretly tricking the world into supporting it, a longtime anti-Semitic trope for which Omar apologized after taking office in January.

“I heard from Jewish orgs. that my use of the word ‘hypnotize’ and the ugly sentiment it holds was offensive,” she tweeted. “I spent ... little energy [in] disavowing the anti-Semitic trope I unknowingly used, which is unfortunate and offensive.”

Not remotely anti-semitic in my opinoin.  A poor choice of words, for which she apologized.  I actually agree that a large part of the world, and obviously a large percentage of Jews, have  a blind spot for Israel.  Given our history, I think Jews deserve the benefit of the doubt, but that doubt does not extent to West Bank settlement and human rights violations against the Palestinians.  

Second:

I've addressed this before.  The "calming" is NOT about the murder of 6,000,000 Jews.  The 'calming is the the Jews got a in HER WORDS "well deserved (or something like that) homeland.  That homeland was in territory occupied by Palestinians.   Some went peacefully, others not so much.  But it was their land and they did, in fact LOSE their land so that Jews could have a home land.  Other than glossing over certain historical facts (which Jews also tend to gloss over, btw) I have no problem with that statement.  

 

Are you going to admit you are getting conned?  I heard what Trump said.  He used some incredibly ugly language to describe their anti-Semitic attacks.

But that was some pretty weak sauce right there.

But not as weak as your lack of response. 

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6 hours ago, lostone said:

That is terrifying.  She is awful 

Biden's team is going to come out swinging

12 hours ago, T-Falcon said:

But Warren isnta dark horse candidate. she's a top tier one. 

Warren, Biden, Sanders, Harris are the top 4, 

Buttigeig is at. least one election away from being a serious contender though he was building some political power early on before he got crushed at home over his handling of a law enforcement officer

Booker hasn't done anything to suggest he can be a dark horse, he's even less appealing than he was during his house rants though he could find a footing in the debates, he has some name recognition at least. 

Gabbard picked up some steam in getting name recognition in the first debate. I actually think she's a decent candidate against Trump. her attitude gives me more a feeling of positivity than most running right now. She might be a serious contender for Vp for whoever gets the nomination unless they wanted to play it smart and pick a Establishment candidate with a socialist Vp or a Socialist candidate with an establishment style VP to try and bing everyone together. 

Warren/Gabbard would be a cool ticket honestly. 

 

 

Her net favorable rating is +7, while Booker is +30. 

https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

538's poll after the first debate had her go from +5.8 to +9.1, while Booker went from +33.9 to 40.6 among Dem voters. Booker has been gaining endorsements in early states like NH and IA. Just announced 6 endorsements from State Leg in NH. IAStartingLine has him in 1st in IA endorsements and 538 has him in 3rd in their national endorsements. The data shows Booker has breakout potential. He is well liked by the base, is doing better in early state polling than nationally, and is gaining support from local leaders in those early states. 

 

Gabbard is struggling to make a positive impression. I get that you like her, but you are pretty much the opposite of the average dem voter. Gabbard also hit 65k donors before Booker or Castro and now both have passed her. 

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1 minute ago, HolyMoses said:

I heard what Trump said.  He used some incredibly ugly language to describe their anti-Semitic attacks.

But that was some pretty weak sauce right there.

But not as weak as your lack of response. 

OK...

Would you feel safe as a Jewish man if congress and the white house was full of people who thought exactly as Omar does?

Answer honestly.  

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11 minutes ago, The Legendary SB said:

OK...

Would you feel safe as a Jewish man if congress and the white house was full of people who thought exactly as Omar does?

Answer honestly.  

You mean would he feel like a black, latino, or Muslim person feels in this country right about now? 

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8 minutes ago, The Legendary SB said:

OK...

Would you feel safe as a Jewish man if congress and the white house was full of people who thought exactly as Omar does?

Answer honestly.  

I mean, the president referred to neo-Nazis as very fine people. So...

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8 minutes ago, The Legendary SB said:

OK...

Would you feel safe as a Jewish man if congress and the white house was full of people who thought exactly as Omar does?

Answer honestly.  

When people say that you are a bigot.

IT IS BECAUSE OF THIS POST.

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Just now, Psychic Gibbon said:

I mean, the president referred to neo-Nazis as very fine people. So...

The president has a Jewish son-in-law and is very pro Israel so I think HM is fine as far as personal safety with Trump in the white house.  

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Just now, The Legendary SB said:

The president has a Jewish son-in-law and is very pro Israel so I think HM is fine as far as personal safety with Trump in the white house.  

Israel and Jewish people aren't synonymous.

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1 minute ago, HolyMoses said:

When people say that you are a bigot.

IT IS BECAUSE OF THIS POST.

Wut?  Speak louder I can't hear you.

I said people that THINK like Omar.  I didn't say anything about race or religion or whatever.

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1 minute ago, HolyMoses said:

When people call you a moron,

IT IS BECAUSE OF THIS POST

Very cute.

I'm imagining you saying that in an authoritative Charlton Heston Moses voice lol.  

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I dont know why y'all are always in here arguing about this stuff.  We are all going to be dead from climate change in twelve years.  You should go enjoy what little time you have left.

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Just now, Flip Flop said:

I dont know why y'all are always in here arguing about this stuff.  We are all going to be dead from climate change in twelve years.  You should go enjoy what little time you have left.

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56 minutes ago, Carter said:

What has he done? Everything you mentioned has literally been done before and South Korea’s President Moon Jae-in has done far more than Trump in this matter. 

I’d like to know what your idea of a good deal with North Korea is exactly. 

Your dig about a bad deal with Iran is laughable since it was a high priority multinational agreement with a country known to support terrorism.... an agreement everyone was abiding by.

NK has no allies. They don’t support terrorists or our enemies, they literally terrorize their own people and are our enemy. Never mind how conservatives blew their top off at Obama’s mere mention of being open to talking to North Korea. This partisan hackery is ridiculous.

When someone asks what has he done after you point it out that is just bad faith acting. 

Since you brought up Obama.  Mentioning what he does to his own people is like asking what Obama got to reopen relations with Cuba (not helping their people, now that is hackery at it's finest. 

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17 minutes ago, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

You mean would he feel like a black, latino, or Muslim person feels in this country right about now? 

I would think only illegal immigrants who have been denied asylum are the only ones that need to worry...

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