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4 hours ago, mdrake34 said:

@Billy Ocean I'm harder than a granite counter top right now

 

btw a dad joke I over heard today

"Just got kicked out of Karaoke night for singing Danger Zone SIX TIMES, they said I had exceeded my maximum number of Loggins"

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5 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

That's now how the Democratic nomination works. The super delegates and consolidating power have as much influence or more as the debates. It's my greatest complaint with super delegates. Without them Bernie would have won vs Hillary.

There was never a guarantee that Bernie would have beaten Hillary if there were no super delegates.

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4 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

That's now how the Democratic nomination works. The super delegates and consolidating power have as much influence or more as the debates. It's my greatest complaint with super delegates. Without them Bernie would have won vs Hillary.

No, Bernie would not have. Super delegate isn't the reason Bernie lost. He lost because more people voted for HRC. Superdelegates are a scapegoat, so delusional Bernie supporters do not have to face reality. 

And Superdelegates have been muted this cycle. They do not get to vote on the first ballot. 

3 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

They are a growing element within the party you cannot discount without a tea party like rebellion.

The way she rose up through politics will sink her in the general. She's not a female Obama. He was hope and change. She's not

I can discount them all I want. Not worth mentioning when it comes to winning the nomination. 

I am not saying she will be the nom, but clearly she has a strong path.  

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1 minute ago, Sn4tteRBoxXeR said:

There was never a guarantee that Bernie would have beat Hillary if there were no super delegates.

Hilary had 2205 before super delegates

Bernie had 1856 before super delegates

You need 2383 to get the nomination

So the party's super delegates put her over the edge as the establishment candidate when Bernie was the better candidate to run vs Trump. She didn't win enough to clinch the party nomination she was gifted it by the super delegate system

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3 minutes ago, Sn4tteRBoxXeR said:

There was never a guarantee that Bernie would have beaten Hillary if there were no super delegates.

And now you are changing the subject to superdelegates which was absent from your original contention:

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3 minutes ago, GEORGIAfan said:

No, Bernie would not have. Super delegate isn't the reason Bernie lost. He lost because more people voted for HRC. Superdelegates are a scapegoat, so delusional Bernie supporters do not have to face reality. 

And Superdelegates have been muted this cycle. They do not get to vote on the first ballot. 

I can discount them all I want. Not worth mentioning when it comes to winning the nomination. 

I am not saying she will be the nom, but clearly she has a strong path.  

I respectfully disagree she has a very difficult path imo without support of either the establishment or the far left.

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14 minutes ago, GEORGIAfan said:

Harris can recreate the Obama coalition of white liberals and AA voters to win the nomination. And socialists are only a very tiny fraction of the party. You do not need their support to win a nomination. 

good luck winning the general without us. 

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12 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

They are a growing element within the party you cannot discount without a tea party like rebellion.

Democrat Progressives do not have the same funding that the Tea Party did

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1 minute ago, Sn4tteRBoxXeR said:

Democrat Progressives do not have the same funding that the Tea Party did

Yet. Treat them as a part of the party that is unimportant and that could change

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2 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

Hilary had 2205 before super delegates

Bernie had 1856 before super delegates

You need 2383 to get the nomination

So the party's super delegates put her over the edge as the establishment candidate when Bernie was the better candidate to run vs Trump. She didn't win enough to clinch the party nomination she was gifted it by the super delegate system

You have no proof that Bernie would have won more votes in a nominating system that did not have superdelegates. Correct me if I am wrong, you are trying to prove a hypothesis without discounting all "null hypotheses."

 

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1 minute ago, T-Falcon said:

Yet. Treat them as a part of the party that is unimportant and that could change

That's just heresay coming from an unreliable source, you also said there would be a Civil War breaking out two years ago and that never happened.

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Just now, Sn4tteRBoxXeR said:

You have no proof that Bernie would have won more votes in a nominating system that did not have superdelegates. Correct me if I am wrong, you are trying to prove a hypothesis without discounting all "null hypotheses."

 

I'm saying Hilary got it because she was the establishment candidate and she had been stockpiling and consolidating power.

She got over 600 super delegates

Sanders got 46

If it's even close there's no getting past that much consolidating.

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Just now, T-Falcon said:

I'm saying Hilary got it because she was the establishment candidate and she had been stockpiling and consolidating power.

She got over 600 super delegates

Sanders got 46

If it's even close there's no getting past that much consolidating.

That doesn't prove, to my satisfaction, that without superdelegate votes, Sanders would have beaten Clinton. You would have to show me each state's primary results and calculate based on that. If you can't do that, you are still just theorizing without looking at reality.

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Just now, Sn4tteRBoxXeR said:

That doesn't prove, to my satisfaction, that without superdelegate votes, Sanders would have beaten Clinton. You would have to show me each state's primary results and calculate based on that. If you can't do that, you are still just theorizing without looking at reality.

It was a split delegation with no one reaching enough to clinch the party nomination

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-delegate-tracker/

So the party threw 600 super delegates her way to clinch it and give it to the establishment candidate.

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And now we are talking about 2016 Superdelegates whereas before we were talking about the Dem nominees with the best chances to win the nomination.

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7 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

I respectfully disagree she has a very difficult path imo without support of either the establishment or the far left.

Harris has establishment support. She is currently behind only Biden in endorsements. Her path is like Obama and HRC before. Clean up in the south and win White moderates or white liberals. Either give her 50% support. 

6 minutes ago, achilles return said:

good luck winning the general without us. 

Just need to max out more of those suburban voters, plus Kamala supports M4All and 15min wage. 

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Just now, Sn4tteRBoxXeR said:

And now we are talking about 2016 Superdelegates whereas before we were talking about the Dem nominees with the best chances to win the nomination.

Yes super delegates are right now I'm bidens corner by the hundreds.  That means before we even start he is likely a couple States ahead of everyone else.

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Alright @T-Falcon, I have a recommendation for you if you have Netflix.  You should watch Daniel Sloss’s standup show titled “Dark”.  The atheist joke is going to offend you, just be prepared for that, but keep watching (especially when he talks about how it sucks to grow up with liberal parents) and I think you’ll appreciate it.  

 

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2 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

It was a split delegation with no one reaching enough to clinch the party nomination

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-delegate-tracker/

So the party threw 600 super delegates her way to clinch it and give it to the establishment candidate.

Who is to say that if those 600 super delegates were awarded proportionally then Clinton still would have won? Are you going to say that?

I don't know the answer, however, I have no reason to assume that my hypothesis is true or false except based on my recollection.

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1 minute ago, GEORGIAfan said:

Harris has establishment support. She is currently behind only Biden in endorsements. Her path is like Obama and HRC before. Clean up in the south and win White moderates or white liberals. Either give her 50% support. 

Just need to max out more of those suburban voters, plus Kamala supports M4All and 15min wage. 

Kamala slept with politicians to get jobs and promotions. In a general Trump will hammer that point out. It is pretty common knowledge she won't escape it.

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1 minute ago, Sn4tteRBoxXeR said:

Who is to say that if those 600 super delegates were awarded proportionally then Clinton still would have won? Are you going to say that?

I don't know the answer, however, I have no reason to assume that my hypothesis is true or false except based on my recollection.

I'm saying it didn't mater because they weren't going to be. She had already consolidated that power so that he couldn't.

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2 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

It was a split delegation with no one reaching enough to clinch the party nomination

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-delegate-tracker/

So the party threw 600 super delegates her way to clinch it and give it to the establishment candidate.

If superdelegate didn't exist, the requirement to clinch would have been 50% of pledged delegates. HRC received 55% of pledged delegates. And the party didn't throw her any superdelegates. She got their endorsements. She had over 400 before voting started. 

 

The System Isn’t ‘Rigged’ Against Sanders

Clinton’s winning because more Democrats want her to be the nominee.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/

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2 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

Kamala slept with politicians to get jobs and promotions. In a general Trump will hammer that point out. It is pretty common knowledge she won't escape it.

She was dating 1 guy. She didn't sleep with politicians to get jobs. 

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1 minute ago, GEORGIAfan said:

If superdelegate didn't exist, the requirement to clinch would have been 50% of pledged delegates. HRC received 55% of pledged delegates. And the party didn't throw her any superdelegates. She got their endorsements. She had over 400 before voting started. 

 

The System Isn’t ‘Rigged’ Against Sanders

Clinton’s winning because more Democrats want her to be the nominee.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/

How many states would you have to win to get 400 super delegates?

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