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Not the new Donald Trump Presidency thread

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5 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

 

Which is why Trump is making celebrities out of four freshman members of Congress with no power.

How else is he supposed to get his base whipped up against a party that's basically giving him everything he wants?

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Just now, The Legendary SB said:

Oh jeez.

So now universities are basically 13th grade, 14th grade, 15th grade, and 16th grade.  :rolleyes:

The way  college has been flooded and the curriculum watered down, in some cases (unfortunately) that is a yes.

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I'm a pro capitalist. But lets be real honest for a second. Some things shouldn't be based on how much money you like.... I dunno whether you live or die 

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2 minutes ago, lostone said:

Hardest thing to do in BJJ for me is remembering to breathe

It took me a few years. I will still occasionally catch myself holding my breath when concentrating on something very technical. 

I don't think I took four complete breaths in my first ever competition fight. 

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25 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

Why bring Bolton in? If you are not an interventionist why bring in the worlds leading interventionist?

I don’t think Trump selected Bolton for philosophical reasons. Bolton became a Fox News contributor during the Obama administration. I’m sure that’s how Trump became familiar with him. 

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1 minute ago, thesouphead said:

 

I just..... Can't.... America is their God and Trump is their prophet. Jehovah has been replaced there clearly

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Just now, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

Which is why Trump is making celebrities out of four freshman members of Congress with no power.

How's he supposed to get his base whipped up against a party that's basically giving him everything he wants. 

The GOP has never had trouble with that before.

The attacks on these four remind me of the lackadaisical attacks against Trump in '15-16. They expect their usual attacks to be instant takedowns but instead they've survived and only grew more prominent. Now we're at the stage where they think giving them more rope to hang themselves will do the trick.

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3 minutes ago, The Legendary SB said:

It's true.

Just like my speech about being good consumers. 

If you don't like what this country stands for go somewhere that fits your ideals more.  You have a choice.  Use it.

So when the next Democrat becomes president, will you be ok with people telling you to "Love it, or leave it" when you criticize that president? 

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12 minutes ago, The Legendary SB said:

Look again I'm not saying make all healthcare out of pocket immediately.  The costs are too ridiculous right now.

Making it MORE free market and involving charities MORE is a long term goal, not a short term goal.  That's the direction we should be moving.  We're not going to get there tomorrow.

The other alternative (single payer) is awful.  Good luck waiting months or years for an MRI.

there are a plethora of universal health care systems across the industrialized world, and they are better in nearly every metric than our existing system. your response to this is that we should switch to something that literally does not exist anywhere on the planet, sight unseen, rather than adopt any one of the existing choices that prioritizes access to care regardless of the ability of pay for it. why should we? for the sake of your ideological indoctrination? if we care about results, there is no reason to adopt anything other than universal health care.

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8 minutes ago, bdog 29 said:

Stop with the hyperbole. It's clown **** and makes you look like you don't have a real argument. No one in Canada or Scandinavia is waiting months or years for an MRI. Maybe a few weeks but if I needed an MRI right now, my doctor's office probably wouldn't have an opening anyway.

What isn't hyperbole is that Americans are paying hundreds of dollars for routine procedures and people are going into bankruptcy because of medical bills. Policies have made it worse but the crux of the issue is a for-profit healthcare system. Everyone who knows anything about healthcare policy knows that single payer is the best option. The only question is how we get there. 

The only people who disagree are those who haven't thought about the issue for more than two seconds and think capitalism=America=good.

To say there are not longer waiting times verses the two systems is either dishonesty or lack of the facts.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2018/06/11/canadians-are-one-in-a-million-while-waiting-for-medical-treatment/amp/

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Just now, Leon Troutsky said:

“All of God’s children are welcome...except you....and you...and you....and also you.”

Trump voice: This is going to be a great church, I'm going to build it, I have some very smart people who have seen the plans it's the best plans. I'm going to make church great again and Satan will pay for it. God is of course America first and no place else. We will bring in new people but if they don't agree with me on everything well then we're going to have to send them back where they came from. It is sad very sad but these people if they were good people would clearly agree with me, let the church of Trump say a yuuuuuuge amen and turn to two Corinthians.

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1 minute ago, achilles return said:

there are a plethora of universal health care systems across the industrialized world, and they are better in nearly every metric than our existing system. your response to this is that we should switch to something that literally does not exist anywhere on the planet, sight unseen, rather than adopt any one of the existing choices that prioritizes access to care regardless of the ability of pay for it. why should we? for the sake of your ideological indoctrination? if we care about results, there is no reason to adopt anything other than universal health care.

It's not that he wants to switch to something that doesn't exist. What he wants is to switch to something that already existed and failed across the developed world.

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2 minutes ago, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

So when the next Democrat becomes president, will you be ok with people telling you to "Love it, or leave it" when you criticize that president? 

I mean, he DID try to leave the country because Obama was reelected but his boss wouldn’t let him.  

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Just now, The Legendary SB said:

I still don't know what you mean by "failed".

Capitalism has never failed when it's done correctly.  Ie....no monopolies...etc...

If you can name a capitalist system that didn't have monopolies then I'll give you a cookie.

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3 minutes ago, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

So when the next Democrat becomes president, will you be ok with people telling you to "Love it, or leave it" when you criticize that president? 

Like Obama said, elections ha very consequences. So the answer would be yes. 

I went about my business hoping for good policy, but it didn't happen. I just lumped it waiting for Trump to be elected 

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Just now, The Legendary SB said:

I'm not talking about whether you like the president or not.  Bigger picture than that.

I'm saying that if you love communism you should move to a communist country.

If you love having all drugs legal move to Amsterdam.

You have choices for this kind of stuff...

What if you have a problem with the way minorities or immigrants are treated? Is it "love it or leave it" then.

What if you want criminal justice reform? Or an overhaul of the healthcare system, or infrastructure? What if one wants us to stop meddling in the affairs of other nations? Where is the threshold where one can be told to "love it or leave it"?

Fifty years ago, people who opposed Vietnam were told "love it or leave it". And history has vindicated those people. 

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13 minutes ago, The Legendary SB said:

End of discussion, this is a load of horse crap.  

Capitalism is the most successful economic system in the history of planet earth but people don't want to use it for the biggest industry in the country.

Ridiculous.  

Lol ok chief. Go ahead and point out one capitalist healthcare system which has lower costs and better outcomes than the socialist ones of Europe and Canada. 

American Exceptionalism really did a number on a whole generation of people. Has dudes ignoring all empirical evidence and statistics to support a failing healthcare system. I'm all for capitalism in most industries but healthcare by definition is one in which it won't work. The only way it will is if we allow those who can't afford it to die. But you're too much of a ***** to concede that you'd be cool with that.

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13 minutes ago, The Legendary SB said:

End of discussion, this is a load of horse crap.  

Capitalism is the most successful economic system in the history of planet earth but people don't want to use it for the biggest industry in the country.

Ridiculous.  

Just bring up South Korea or West Germany as examples and they have no answers.

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Just now, The Legendary SB said:

I can name markets where there are not monopolies.  Any market that has at least 5 choices for consumers.  Those markets are by and large very healthy.  Ie....technology has advanced and costs have dropped.

You're talking about the system and how it is impossible for monopolies to develop under a capitalist system. Please name one where monopolies did not develop.

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