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Not the new Donald Trump Presidency thread

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7 hours ago, Red&Black said:

@Leon Troutsky

You're in academia.  Whats up with databases including the archived print magazine, but no pictures?  That's telling only half the story:happened:.  Do all you guys sit around and wink wink, nudge nudge, "only peer reviewed journals are acceptable as valid sources, chortle."  You might want to tell the twitter crowd that!

Uhhh...wut?

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3 minutes ago, Serge said:

I disagree with a lot of that for a lot of reasons, but what I disagree with most is the idea that Democrats can nominate someone "normal" and beat Trump. The only way a Democrat beats Trump is either the economy takes a major downturn or we nominate a Democrat that knows how to fight Trump, which is so much more complicated than it has to be for all the reasons I've described.

Given how soft Trump’s support is among independents and GOP women, I don’t think it even takes a major downturn.  I think if the economy stagnates, Trump loses.  It doesn’t even have to be a recession at this point.  

The economy is great and yet his approval ratings are stuck in the low 40s.  He’s extremely vulnerable as an incumbent.

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3 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

Given how soft Trump’s support is among independents and GOP women, I don’t think it even takes a major downturn.  I think if the economy stagnates, Trump loses.  It doesn’t even have to be a recession at this point.  

The economy is great and yet his approval ratings are stuck in the low 40s.  He’s extremely vulnerable as an incumbent.

You're still thinking about it like he ought to be cheering on the economy instead of doing what he's already doing. He's going to keep attacking the squad and saying somewhat ambiguously racist things to split the left further between the progressives willing and able to deal with racism in the absolute terms that it requires, and the establishment that will always back off from saying he's so irredeemable that they can't work with him.

But the left isn't going to worry about that dynamic getting worse over time, even if it clearly worries the establishment Democrats, because according to some people on the left, the left is united against Trump. And Trump's dumb as ****! He's going to have his audience chanting the N-word before long! 

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8 hours ago, Doozer said:

The key to those systems is the price fixing. They will have to balance the costs vs prices to keep the system running, before it becomes Venezuela.

I'm not sure we should trust THIS government to be able to do that. Although, we do have the Post Office as an example of how to run a business close to bankruptcy without going under.

 

 

The left is for prize fixing until they are against it when the GOP does it.

The Dems screamed bloody murder when Nixon put a freeze on consumer goods.

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The way it's going now, the left still isn't going to be able to say what he did, even after 2020. He just decided to start attacking some minority congresswomen because he's a big, fat, stupid racist and he saw people in the news he wanted to attack.

And as soon as the establishment finally gets with the program, the Democrats will be fully united in resisting Trump. You know, assuming they want to get with the program, and they're not more interested in working with Republicans than with progressives. Good thing Trump doesn't know what to do with any of that or the Democrats might have trouble with that particular narrative.

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I've said it once and I'll say it again, were it not for the prospect of Donald Trump remaining president I would not vote in 2020. The Democratic party is garbage.

I think Candace Owens and her ilk are obvious grifters but she brings up a valid point, the Democratic party takes black (and other minority) votes for granted. For black people, racism is a bread-and-butter issue. Everything they want to focus in 2020 on whether it be healthcare, jobs, education, etc is exacerbated by racism. To handwave it away like it's an inconsequential wedge issue Donald Trump brings up to get Democrats off message is so insulting.

Democrats are more worried about getting back the blue collar white people they lost in 1968 than keeping the minorities who've been voting for them since then. That is a ******* problem.

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10 hours ago, T-Falcon said:

What good is the Aca if you can't get it until the best open enrollment and you are in need in July? Absolute trash. Universal healthcare I'm on board

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18 minutes ago, bdog 29 said:

I've said it once and I'll say it again, were it not for the prospect of Donald Trump remaining president I would not vote in 2020. The Democratic party is garbage.

I think Candace Owens and her ilk are obvious grifters but she brings up a valid point, the Democratic party takes black (and other minority) votes for granted. For black people, racism is a bread-and-butter issue. Everything they want to focus in 2020 on whether it be healthcare, jobs, education, etc is exacerbated by racism. To handwave it away like it's an inconsequential wedge issue Donald Trump brings up to get Democrats off message is so insulting.

Democrats are more worried about getting back the blue collar white people they lost in 1968 than keeping the minorities who've been voting for them since then. That is a ******* problem.

Dude, with gerrymandering, the senate, the supreme court,

 

By NOT VOTING

 

YOU ARE CAUSING THE PARTY TO BECOME LESS POWERFUL

and exacerbating YOUR OWN PROBLEMS

 

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1 minute ago, Sn4tteRBoxXeR said:

Dude, with gerrymandering, the senate, the supreme court,

 

By NOT VOTING

 

YOU ARE CAUSING THE PARTY TO BECOME LESS POWERFUL

and exacerbating YOUR OWN PROBLEMS

 

But I am voting :huh:

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Just now, bdog 29 said:

But I am voting :huh:

You just said you would NOT vote if it wasn't for Trump. So you are ONLY voting to "resist trump" and not for the perpetual takedown of the Republican machine

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20 minutes ago, bdog 29 said:

I've said it once and I'll say it again, were it not for the prospect of Donald Trump remaining president I would not vote in 2020. The Democratic party is garbage.

I think Candace Owens and her ilk are obvious grifters but she brings up a valid point, the Democratic party takes black (and other minority) votes for granted. For black people, racism is a bread-and-butter issue. Everything they want to focus in 2020 on whether it be healthcare, jobs, education, etc is exacerbated by racism. To handwave it away like it's an inconsequential wedge issue Donald Trump brings up to get Democrats off message is so insulting.

Democrats are more worried about getting back the blue collar white people they lost in 1968 than keeping the minorities who've been voting for them since then. That is a ******* problem.

And that's how Democrats should tackle this. Not as another partisan culture war thing, but as the consequences that will arise from normalizing this behavior. 

Democrats are too caught up debating Republicans on whether telling someone to "go back where they came from" is really racist. Of course it's racist. There is no debate. 

So Democrats need to move past debating that point with them and go straight to laying out the consequences of the president normalizing this behavior. How it's going to effect minorities in everyday life. When they look for a job or have an encounter with the police. Make it real instead of spending all their energy in a debate over semantic word games. 

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8 hours ago, Carter said:

Also I just want to insert an LOL here now @ the "moderate" Trump lovers in the room who keep talking about how horrible every other country's health care system is while the US health care system is objectively a complete embarrassment. 

Trump said it would be so easy to fix and Republicans campaigned for 6+ years on replacing ACA with something better... and none of them had any plan. Now they are just doing what conservatives always do and stripping funding away from programs that are in place.

And we have people ITT actually not "smart" enough to justify voting AGAINST that same party because they are "dissatisfied" with their own party. Democracy, for good and bad, works by voting AGAINST the worst choice. Punish them.

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41 minutes ago, lostone said:

Did my first 5x5 in over a year.  Good lord I’ve lost it.  My ego was murdered.

 

will respond back once I am at respectable numbers

If you're lifting, your numbers are more respectable than mine by far.  Stay in the saddle.  I need to get back to it.

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Posted (edited)

20 minutes ago, Sn4tteRBoxXeR said:

You just said you would NOT vote if it wasn't for Trump. So you are ONLY voting to "resist trump" and not for the perpetual takedown of the Republican machine

I don't think the Democratic establishment is doing anything to takedown the Republican machine. As I see it, since 1980 both parties have been playing in an arena created by Republicans and have been just fine doing that. It's why both parties have supported unfettered wars, corporatism, and tough-on-crime rheotric. That's nearly 40 years now where these things have been par for the course and no one has really questioned it. The squabbles were mainly over cultural issues and how much assistance the government should give to the poorest Americans.

Yes, the Republican party has become more brazen in recent years and moved further right but the older Democratic establishment (represented by Biden) just want to get back to that pre-2016 status quo, playing in the arena created by Reagan Republicans. Progressives are trying to move that Overton window left but progressives are not the majority of the Democratic party and they definitely don't make up the Democratic establishment.

I don't think that any of the current crop of Democratic candidates save for Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders would really fight for any of the progressive policies all of these Democratic candidates have signed on to if they receive any pushback from moderates in the party. I don't think they really believe in it enough to spend political capital on it.

I was more conservative (and dumber) when I was a teenager so I would have voted for Bush in 2004, but I was 14. Since then I've voted for Democrats. But I've come to the realization that the Democratic is not a "good" party for me. They're just infinitely better than the alternative. If the alternative weren't as horrible as it is, I probably wouldn't vote because I don't trust this party to do things that I think they should.

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12 minutes ago, The Legendary SB said:

I warned you about that.  Fasting burns a lot of fat AND muscle.  Plus not lifting for a year...  

If you want to cut fat and preserve muscle just eat only lean meats (chicken or fish) and green veggies instead of a complete fast.  

If you want to fast I'd use intermittent fasting.  Specifically the leangains method:

https://leangains.com/the-leangains-guide/

I haven’t lifted since April last year.  I think that has more to do with it than fasting.  Also losing muscle only happens if you don’t use it.  I’ll be back to normal in a few months.

 

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2 hours ago, Doozer said:

This is interesting, because I thought it might actually be possible, but the math seemed off.

1.5 trillion isn't a correct number. It's just outstanding debt, not the actual cost of education since many students don't take out loans, or are paying it off. You need to use the cost of attending per year.

Plus, if college is free, that means that more students will attend.

Let's do the math.

About 4,000,000 students graduate high school per year.

Since it's free, we can assume that everyone will want to go to their dream school. Private, out of state costs per student is $50,900 (total) per year. But if we force kids to go cheap, that can be as low as  $25,290 for in state, public college.

Multiply that by 4 if we want to provide 4 year degrees

So that range is around $814 Billion to $405 Billion per year.

Multiply that by 18x since we want to compare it to Military spending since 2001...

The total cost is between $14.7 and $7.3 Trillion

While the $5.9 Trillion also includes 1 trillion in future obligatory payments, we can only transfer 4.9 trillion that was already spent, half of which we can't even use, because it includes costs that would have been spent anyway.... but lets take it all regardless.

We are left with between $9.8 to $2.4 trillion in new debt. Not counting Washington DC's administrative cut. 

I guess we can cut into the Military's total $650Billion dollar budget completely...

Yes I didn't say the cost of free college I said the crippling debt students currently have. Not free college for all. Though its not outside the realm of possibility some states are already starting free community college.

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