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14 minutes ago, Vogelgryff said:

I read something interesting: the idea is that Trump is acting deliberately, trashing the Famous Four in a sufficiently disgusting way so that the whole D party would vocally support them, therefore creating in the mind of the public the notion that the D party is shifting more to the left and thus being more likely to be rejected.

Maybe too Machiavellian for a petulant toddler... I don't know...

For Trump it's ideal if the Democratic party is split between an ineffectual establishment that resists Trump by continually telling him to stop saying racist things and work with them, and progressives that see that ineffectual resistance as tacit support. There are no good guys, just different ways of responding to the man in charge.

Personally I'd say it speaks to the success of his disinformation that people could choose *not* to see Trump's intent in those tweets beyond him being a big dumb racist, or why the right would love what Trump's doing right now beyond their love of racist tweeting. This wouldn't work if people thought he was smart enough to do it on purpose.

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12 minutes ago, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

Trump is doing more to make defacto party leaders our of a bunch of freshman Congresspersons when than could have ever accomplished themselves. 

And that's the plan. Trump wants AOC, Omar, et al to be the face of the Democratic party. Even when the truth is the party is run by centrists that basically cave to Trump at every turn.

It's really no different than Rove's strategy in Dubya's campaigns. Trump is just doing it in a more boorish and disgusting manner. 

 

7 minutes ago, Big_Dog said:

Not going to debate you over a racist piece of poop. The racist Whitehouse swamp will disappear in 2020.

The really inspired part is that Trump's openly racist in a way where no one on his side has to say he's racist, but everyone on the other side practically has to say it, so he can drive a wedge into the Democrats right between "he's racist but we have to work with him" and "he's racist so we can't support him no matter what." To the left it makes establishment Democrats look like they quietly but surely support his racism.

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31 minutes ago, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

Trump is doing more to make defacto party leaders our of a bunch of freshman Congresspersons when than could have ever accomplished themselves. 

And that's the plan. Trump wants AOC, Omar, et al to be the face of the Democratic party. Even when the truth is the party is run by centrists that basically cave to Trump at every turn.

It's really no different than Rove's strategy in Dubya's campaigns. Trump is just doing it in a more boorish and disgusting manner. 

Thanks for reformulating what I was trying to say. It's much clearer this way.

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1 hour ago, Vogelgryff said:

I read something interesting: the idea is that Trump is acting deliberately, trashing the Famous Four in a sufficiently disgusting way so that the whole D party would vocally support them, therefore creating in the mind of the public the notion that the D party is shifting more to the left and thus being more likely to be rejected.

Maybe too Machiavellian for a petulant toddler... I don't know...

He was definitely trying to fuel that fire at first but it became clear almost immediately that he went way too far, put the fight between the Dems on hold, and now they're mostly focused on attacking him instead of each other. This is why he's been going on the defensive about this for the past couple of days and doubling down.

Some people, however, are only focusing on his initial intent since they really want all this to have some sort of deeper strategic goal as to why he keeps pushing this instead of accepting it as the dumb, racist ******** it is.

 

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28 minutes ago, Big_Dog said:

Not going to debate you over a racist piece of poop. The racist Whitehouse swamp will disappear in 2020.

Identity, race, division, feigned outrage, along with every phobia and ism, sums up the do-nothing (policy) Dems for 2020. Don't embarrass yourself by giving them your vote in 2020.

Vote Trump, go third party, or stay home and watch a TCM movie on election night.

All those choices are better than voting for the Lemming party in 2020.

 

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57 minutes ago, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

Trump is doing more to make defacto party leaders our of a bunch of freshman Congresspersons when than could have ever accomplished themselves. 

And that's the plan. Trump wants AOC, Omar, et al to be the face of the Democratic party. Even when the truth is the party is run by centrists that basically cave to Trump at every turn.

It's really no different than Rove's strategy in Dubya's campaigns. Trump is just doing it in a more boorish and disgusting manner. 

They really need a white man or woman in their "group" to counter Trump's strategy.

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6 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

He was definitely trying to fuel that fire at first but it became clear almost immediately that he went way too far, put the fight between the Dems on hold, and now they're mostly focused on attacking him instead of each other. This is why he's been going on the defensive about this for the past couple of days and doubling down.

Some people, however, are only focusing on his initial intent since they really want all this to have some sort of deeper strategic goal as to why he keeps pushing this instead of accepting it as the dumb, racist ******** it is.

 

It definitely seems more plausible that he is an abhorrent primitive piece of poop rather than Sun Tzu and Edith Stern's secret child...

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8 hours ago, Sn4tteRBoxXeR said:

You like being called a Nazi?

Quit you ******** calling Democrats "commies"

Right Now.

 

There are many Democrats that embrace socialism and admit to it.  Bernie being the prime example.  Per Karl Marx socialism is a means to an end to communism.  Therefor, anybody who supports socialism also supports communism because that is where it inevitably leads.

There are zero Republicans that embrace Nazism.  

Oh and stop calling all Trump supporters racist.  RIGHT NOW.  (please)

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Just now, Vogelgryff said:

It definitely seems more plausible that he is an abhorrent primitive piece of poop rather than Sun Tzu and Edith Stern's secret child...

Ha! po$ is automatically replaced by "piece of poop". How ridiculous!

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49 minutes ago, Serge said:

For Trump it's ideal if the Democratic party is split between an ineffectual establishment that resists Trump by continually telling him to stop saying racist things and work with them, and progressives that see that ineffectual resistance as tacit support. There are no good guys, just different ways of responding to the man in charge.

Personally I'd say it speaks to the success of his disinformation that people could choose *not* to see Trump's intent in those tweets beyond him being a big dumb racist, or why the right would love what Trump's doing right now beyond their love of racist tweeting. This wouldn't work if people thought he was smart enough to do it on purpose.

The problem is that minority populations have a lot more "on the line" than white people. So their response and their "Receipt" of those tweets are innately different than "the self-aware white people." So as a supporter of minorities, the white people have to ask, do we support our minority partners in viscerally responding to Trump, or do we ignore him (at the calculated risk of empowering his base).

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There are a lot of theories out there from the left on what they need to do to combat Trump, examine why he won, why his support is still strong, and what they can do to change that.

Truth is their main focus has been to remove him by any means necessary (by hoaxes, lies, smears, disinformation campaigns) because reality they have no clue why they lost in 16' and how they can defeat him in 2020.

They also haven't put up much of a challenge for 2020, is this by design? I don't believe that group can think that far ahead.

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3 minutes ago, The Legendary SB said:

There are many Democrats that embrace socialism and admit to it.  Bernie being the prime example.  Per Karl Marx socialism is a means to an end to communism.  Therefor, anybody who supports socialism also supports communism because that is where it inevitably leads.

There are zero Republicans that embrace Nazism.  

Oh and stop calling all Trump supporters racist.  RIGHT NOW.  (please)

If you enjoy being called a Nazi, then keep calling Democrats Commies.

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1 hour ago, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

Trump is doing more to make defacto party leaders our of a bunch of freshman Congresspersons when than could have ever accomplished themselves. 

And that's the plan. Trump wants AOC, Omar, et al to be the face of the Democratic party. Even when the truth is the party is run by centrists that basically cave to Trump at every turn.

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5 minutes ago, The Legendary SB said:

There are many Democrats that embrace socialism and admit to it.  Bernie being the prime example.  Per Karl Marx socialism is a means to an end to communism.  Therefor, anybody who supports socialism also supports communism because that is where it inevitably leads.

There are zero Republicans that embrace Nazism.  

Oh and stop calling all Trump supporters racist.  RIGHT NOW.  (please)

The proper terminology these days is "very fine people" from what I have gathered.

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Just now, The Legendary SB said:

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It's funny how several of them give detailed reason why Trump is demoralizing the Dems and they have it all figured out.

Maybe they need to share this with the DNC because they have no clue.

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2 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

Truth is their main focus has been to remove him by any means necessary (by hoaxes, lies, smears, disinformation campaigns) because reality they have no clue why they lost in 16' and how they can defeat him in 2020.

**** I would endorse an alien abduction if it worked

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Just now, Sn4tteRBoxXeR said:

**** I would endorse an alien abduction if it worked

Of course you would, but we dodged that bullet when Hillary got annihilated.

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Just now, WhenFalconsWin said:

It's funny how several of them give detailed reason why Trump is demoralizing the Dems and they have it all figured out.

Maybe they need to share this with the DNC because they have no clue.

They're just trying to reason out why Trump would say racist **** beyond saying he is just racist. You should probably sit this one out like you do with most things he does wrong.

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11 minutes ago, The Legendary SB said:

There are many Democrats that embrace socialism and admit to it.  Bernie being the prime example.  Per Karl Marx socialism is a means to an end to communism.  Therefor, anybody who supports socialism also supports communism because that is where it inevitably leads.

There are zero Republicans that embrace Nazism.  

Oh and stop calling all Trump supporters racist.  RIGHT NOW.  (please)

 

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3 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

Of course you would, but we dodged that bullet when Hillary got annihilated.

Misogynist

 

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10 hours ago, AF89 said:

Far right neo nazi Juventus ultras to be specific

Yeah . . . what is that about?  I'm a little familiar with the political/cultural alliances with certain team (Ajax and Tottenham with Jews . . . kind of).  But Juventus has such broad Italian appeal and of course they played here last year for the MLS All Star game.  Do they have some kind of Right wing identity?   Or is this just a small segment of their fan base and has nothing to do with the team other than being rabid supporters?  Is it going to be ok to be a Juventus supporter moving forward?

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