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Just now, T-Falcon said:

No the argument is the big States dominate every one the whole reason for an electoral college.

Big states dominate the electoral college now.

The issue is that close states can create a situation where the majority of the public picks one candidate but the other candidate becomes president.  

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2 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

No the argument is the big States dominate every one the whole reason for an electoral college.

We already went over this:

2 hours ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

Conservatives: The EC was in no way formed because of slavery.

James Madison: The EC was formed because of slavery.

Conservatives:

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Why is there so much failure with his picks? . . . . Could it be he doesn't know what he's doing?

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Just now, Leon Troutsky said:

Undocumented immigrants will be counted with or without that question, because that’s what the Constitution requires.  

So what is the point of the question?

They aren't citizens they are illegals, shouldn't be counted not used to manipulate the number of representatives California has. In essence you are cheating the system to gain more votes and realize how much of an impact 11+million votes would have in a popular vote only. It would ensure a Democrat 100% of the time.

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2 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

We already went over this:

And you are still wrong.weve been over this

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1 minute ago, T-Falcon said:

They aren't citizens they are illegals, shouldn't be counted not used to manipulate the number of representatives California has. In essence you are cheating the system to gain more votes and realize how much of an impact 11+million votes would have in a popular vote only. It would ensure a Democrat 100% of the time.

The Constitution doesn’t say that citizens should be counted.  It says all free people, meaning non-slave residents.  Undocumented immigrants have always been counted in the Census.

As someone else pointed out, conservatives sure do like to spout off about the Constitution despite not having the first clue what’s in it.

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18 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

Happens all the time. They basically did that by taking over big cities to force their nonsense on rural areas.

on the other hand, recorded history:

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The county unit system generated great controversy due to the fact that it gave the votes of counties with smaller populations a significantly greater weight than counties with larger populations. For at least the final two decades the system was in use, a majority of statewide unit votes were controlled by counties that, collectively, had less than one-third of the state's total population.[4][5] Because of this, statewide candidates for office could (and frequently did) win the primary by winning the county unit vote while losing the overall popular vote, sometimes by large margins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_unit_system

 

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1 minute ago, Leon Troutsky said:

The Constitution doesn’t say that citizens should be counted.  It says all free people, meaning non-slave residents.  Undocumented immigrants have always been counted in the Census.

As someone else pointed out, conservatives sure do like to spout off about the Constitution despite not having the first clue what’s in it.

Well we can change that too while we are opening up the Constitution

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1 minute ago, Leon Troutsky said:

The Constitution doesn’t say that citizens should be counted.  It says all free people, meaning non-slave residents.  Undocumented immigrants have always been counted in the Census.

As someone else pointed out, conservatives sure do like to spout off about the Constitution despite not having the first clue what’s in it.

 

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1 minute ago, T-Falcon said:

And you are still wrong.weve been over this

No, dumb dumb. You're thinking about the Sherman compromise. That's the thing that gave us the Senate.

The EC was formed because slaveowners wanted the 3/5 compromise to also count for picking the president.

This brings us back to another thing we've been over:

2 hours ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

I was under the impression that the right were the true defenders of the Constitution and the Founding Fathers. Why is it that you guys never seem to know much about either?

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Just now, achilles return said:

good luck with that.

I mean since we are talking nonsense hypotheticals why not

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1 minute ago, T-Falcon said:

Well we can change that too while we are opening up the Constitution

Nice attempted deflection.

The Census has always counted undocumented immigrants because that’s what the Constitution says.

So what is the argument in favor of adding the citizenship question other than “it helps Republicans”?

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Just now, T-Falcon said:

I mean since we are talking nonsense hypotheticals why not

are we? a couple hours ago you were hollering about civil war because the states might find a way to fix the failures of the electoral college without delving into the constitution at all.

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27 minutes ago, achilles return said:

and this is the part where you will insist on an unbelievable, massive campaign of rampant voter fraud because you buy into every far-right conspiracy talk radio pumps out. you're nothing if not predictable, r&b.

I don't tweet like you do so I avoid the fringe left until I come here.  My significant other was illegally sent a jury summons.  It's easy enough to use the same DMV data and end up on the voter rolls in a state with less robust fidelity mechanisms.

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3 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

Nice attempted deflection.

The Census has always counted undocumented immigrants because that’s what the Constitution says.

So what is the argument in favor of adding the citizenship question other than “it helps Republicans”?

Article 1, Section 2 of the United States Constitution: 
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year 
by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the 
Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State 
Legislature. 
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five 
Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when 
elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen. 
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which 
may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be 
determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to 
Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other 
Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting 
of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in 
such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not 
exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one 
Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire 
shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence 
Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, 
Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and 
Georgia three. 
When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority 
thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies. 
The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall 
have the sole Power of Impeachment.

 

 

Illegals are not taxed, they cannot be employed legally and therefore cannot be taxed therefore they cannot be counted. 

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1 minute ago, Red&Black said:

I don't tweet like you do so I avoid the fringe left until I come here.  My significant other was illegally sent a jury summons.  It's easy enough to use the same DMV data and end up on the voter rolls in a state with less robust fidelity mechanisms.

it's certainly easy enough to convince gullible boomers spooky brown people are stealing elections from them and not the decades of nightmarish public policies. 

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4 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

No, dumb dumb. You're thinking about the Sherman compromise. That's the thing that gave us the Senate.

The EC was formed because slaveowners wanted the 3/5 compromise to also count for picking the president.

This brings us back to another thing we've been over:

 

I get what you're trying to do.  Call the EC "racist" so it can be removed.  Not gonna happen.

The founding fathers made this country a REPUBLIC by design and specifically did not want it to be mob rule.  

"The preservation of the sacred fire of liberty, and the destiny of the Republican model of government."
- George Washington

Woman: "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"
"A republic, if you can keep it."
- Benjamin Franklin

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3 minutes ago, achilles return said:

it's certainly easy enough to convince gullible boomers spooky brown people are stealing elections from them and not the decades of nightmarish public policies. 

Again you are the only one focused on race

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2 minutes ago, The Legendary SB said:

I get what you're trying to do.  Call the EC "racist" so it can be removed.  Not gonna happen.

The founding fathers made this country a REPUBLIC by design and specifically did not want it to be mob rule.  

"The preservation of the sacred fire of liberty, and the destiny of the Republican model of government."
- George Washington

Woman: "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"
"A republic, if you can keep it."
- Benjamin Franklin

false dichotomy

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Just now, T-Falcon said:

Again you are the only one focused on race

Amazing isn't it?

Racism is judging someone by the color of their skin or ethnic background.  It's the left that constantly talk about what race a person is and make snap judgments and generalizations based on their race.

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1 minute ago, T-Falcon said:

Illegals are not taxed, they cannot be employed legally and therefore cannot be taxed therefore they cannot be counted. 

yeah, we've been through this before. you cannot take "indians not taxed" and just pretend it says something else. it doesn't say "peoples not taxed". it doesn't say "undocumented immigrants not taxed". it specifically says "indians not taxed" and nothing else.

and they do pay state and local sales taxes like anyone else, so this argument doesn't make sense at really any level.

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2 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

Again you are the only one focused on race

unless i was the one who created white supremacist immigration policies for a century and a half, this is just hilariously wrong.

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8 minutes ago, The Legendary SB said:

I get what you're trying to do.  Call the EC "racist" so it can be removed.  Not gonna happen.

The founding fathers made this country a REPUBLIC by design and specifically did not want it to be mob rule.  

"The preservation of the sacred fire of liberty, and the destiny of the Republican model of government."
- George Washington

Woman: "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"
"A republic, if you can keep it."
- Benjamin Franklin

and as we all know, republics have never had popular elections for their heads of government/state!

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