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Not the new Donald Trump Presidency thread

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11 hours ago, Jpowers said:

This isn't the Trump Presidency thread 

 

 

Could y'all please leave ****** conservative humor out of this one?

Conservative humor? There’s such a thing?

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8 hours ago, JayOzOne said:

FTR: I'm not dropping this here, so don't @ me.

 

 

The law doesn’t call for prosecuting women. So they will be expressly following the law. 

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14 minutes ago, JDaveG said:

The law doesn’t call for prosecuting women. So they will be expressly following the law. 

It does call for prosecuting doctors (sort of?).  So perhaps the D.A. will have an equal protection problem . . .  

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22 minutes ago, JDaveG said:

The law doesn’t call for prosecuting women. So they will be expressly following the law. 

Oh, please. It expressly calls for the prosecution of women who obtain an abortion past the six weeks or goes out of state to get one.

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7 minutes ago, HolyMoses said:

It does call for prosecuting doctors (sort of?).  So perhaps the D.A. will have an equal protection problem . . .  

I’m simply pointing out the hilarity of having to believe one lie in order to prop up another. 

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Just now, Psychic Gibbon said:

Oh, please. It expressly calls for the prosecution of women who obtain an abortion past the six weeks or goes out of state to get one.

It absolutely does not. That’s the first lie. 

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Just now, JDaveG said:

It absolutely does not. That’s the first lie. 

Anyone part of the abortion, from the parents to the doctors to those who help them out, is taking part in what the bill defines as a murder and are thus able to be prosecuted. Quit swilling the ******** and see what is in front of you.

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1 minute ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

Anyone part of the abortion, from the parents to the doctors to those who help them out, is taking part in what the bill defines as a murder and are thus able to be prosecuted. Quit swilling the ******** and see what is in front of you.

I do. There is a statute that exempts women from being prosecuted under Georgia’s abortion laws for the death of her own child and a reported case that applies it. 

Take your own advice. You’re believing a lie. 

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2 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

Anyone part of the abortion, from the parents to the doctors to those who help them out, is taking part in what the bill defines as a murder and are thus able to be prosecuted. Quit swilling the ******** and see what is in front of you.

Do you ever get anything right?

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1 minute ago, JDaveG said:

I do. There is a statute that exempts women from being prosecuted under Georgia’s abortion laws and a case that applies it. 

Take your own advice. You’re believing a lie. 

You are relying on other portions of the legal code, which the anti-choice bill would likely overturn, to keep that narrative going.

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You have one statute that states women can't be prosecuted yet you have a new one stating they're taking part in a murder conspiracy if they do and are not exempt. Which one breaks when push comes to shove?

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5 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

Do you ever get anything right?

You’re pro choice, I still have no idea why you like to piggyback on pro life posters. 

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1 minute ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

You are relying on other portions of the legal code, which the anti-choice bill would likely overturn, to keep that narrative going.

The pro life bill overturns none of those.  

You don't know how statutes work.

OCGA § 16-12-141 defines criminal abortion as something performed "upon" a woman.  There is a case, Hillman v. State, that applies this section to a woman who shot herself in the stomach to kill her baby, and the ruling of the Supreme Court was she could not be prosecuted because of that law.  Georgia's feticide statute, OCGA § 16-5-80, says specifically "(n)othing in this Code section shall be construed to permit the prosecution of . . . (a)ny woman with respect to her unborn child."

Neither of these laws were touched by the new statute, and contrary to your apparent misunderstanding, you don't repeal statutes by reference to other statutes.  You repeal them by expressly repealing them.  

You're wrong.  

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3 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

You have one statute that states women can't be prosecuted yet you have a new one stating they're taking part in a murder conspiracy if they do and are not exempt. Which one breaks when push comes to shove?

The statute that defines what a criminal abortion is to begin with assumes it is something done to a woman, not by a woman, which was made express in the Hillman case.  Women cannot be prosecuted in Georgia for aborting their own children, by whatever means.  

The statute that defines feticide expressly exempts women.

You're wrong.

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Just now, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

I don't think this abortion law was ever passed with enforcement in mind. Everyone is just waiting for the challenges in the courts before they do anything. 

Even if Roe is overturned, I doubt this will be the final form of the law. 

This is true.  But even if we assume enforcement is imminent, it doesn't do what the liars are saying it does.

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1 minute ago, JDaveG said:

The pro life bill overturns none of those.  

You don't know how statutes work.

OCGA § 16-12-141 defines criminal abortion as something performed "upon" a woman.  There is a case, Hillman v. State, that applies this section to a woman who shot herself in the stomach to kill her baby, and the ruling of the Supreme Court was she could not be prosecuted because of that law.  Georgia's feticide statute, OCGA § 16-5-80, says specifically "(n)othing in this Code section shall be construed to permit the prosecution of . . . (a)ny woman with respect to her unborn child."

Neither of these laws were touched by the new statute, and contrary to your apparent misunderstanding, you don't repeal statutes by reference to other statutes.  You repeal them by expressly repealing them.  

You're wrong.  

The problem there is that the anti-choice bill legally redefines fetuses at 6 weeks as legal persons, which has other problems but that is neither here not there. That is why murder charges will be brought up and not simple criminal abortion.

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