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Not the new Donald Trump Presidency thread

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Mods, let's go ahead and make an appointment at planned parenthood for this thread.  It's time to say goodbye.

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3 minutes ago, GEORGIAfan said:

Best healthcare system

That's drug cos not the medical system per se. That's partially the problem with most of issues. Between a lawsuit infatuated society that wants to sue every doctor for all he has for trying to save their loved one to the major medical drug companies charging so much. Fix those two things and you fix alot before you even get to insurance. 

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7 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

So if we allowed abortion solely for rape situations would that satisfy you?  Cause that's not even a whole 1% of abortions in the US.

Rape incest medical

also address the issues that lead to people wanting abortions.  Your laws aren’t going to stop them.  Also you need to increase aid to welfare and change adoptions.  You aren’t really helping by making something illegal unless you try to solve the other problems that cause it.  Surface level solutions without the thought of consequences are going to lead to the poor and disenfranchised to be worse off.  But we’d have to go beyond one topic.

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9 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

That's drug cos not the medical system per se. That's partially the problem with most of issues. Between a lawsuit infatuated society that wants to sue every doctor for all he has for trying to save their loved one to the major medical drug companies charging so much. Fix those two things and you fix alot before you even get to insurance. 

This post reads as:

“Eliminate malpractice suits and free market capitalism before you start messing with the private insurance industry.”

Makes a lot of sense.

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1 hour ago, T-Falcon said:

"Forced birth"  what a nonsensical twisted ideology you have.  

What phrase would you prefer to describe someone being impregnated against their will then forced to carry the child to term? 

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20 minutes ago, Carter said:

This post reads as:

“Eliminate malpractice suits and free market capitalism before you start messing with the private insurance industry.”

Makes a lot of sense.

 

Free Market Capitalism is the reason our prices are the way they are. 

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44 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

So if we allowed abortion solely for rape situations would that satisfy you?  Cause that's not even a whole 1% of abortions in the US.

Yes, not forcing a woman to carry the fetus of her rapist would be a nice thing. 

Too bad that idea seems to be a bridge too far for your party.

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1 hour ago, T-Falcon said:

So if we allowed abortion solely for rape situations would that satisfy you?  Cause that's not even a whole 1% of abortions in the US.

NO! ALL ZYGOTES MATTER. PERIOD.

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59 minutes ago, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

Yes, not forcing a woman to carry the fetus of her rapist would be a nice thing.

This is WRONG

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1 hour ago, Sn4tteRBoxXeR said:

NO! ALL ZYGOTES MATTER. PERIOD.

So if someone punched your best friends pregnant wife in the stomache and she lost her baby at say 19 weeks you think shes gonna be like crap I lost another zygote, glad it wasnt a baby yet. Or do you think shes going to be furious and hurt and grieving for her baby? 

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2 hours ago, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

Yes, not forcing a woman to carry the fetus of her rapist would be a nice thing. 

Too bad that idea seems to be a bridge too far for your party.

So if someone murders my mom can I go kill his newborn child in retaliation?

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If your dad was riding a bicycle and someone pushed him off and he kicked the guy in the nuts, which made his sperm bad and stuff, would you want to charge him with sedition?

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13 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

 

Lol. Yeah the massive population slice of  less than 5% of the US population being homosexual but the media shoving it down the public's throat with 100% representation in most every TV show, cartoon, book, movie, etc..  almost like 

 

DESENSITIZATION

 

Apply this to the problem of homohatred. If gays present themselves-- or allow themselves to be presented--as overwhelmingly different and threatening, they will put straights on a triple-red alert, driving them to overt acts of political oppression or physical violence.If, however, gays can live alongside straights, visibly but as inoffensively as possible, they will arouse a low-grade alert only, which, though annoying to straights, will eventually diminish for purely physiological reasons. Straights will be desensitized. Put more simply, if you go out of your way to be unendurable, people will try to destroy you; otherwise, they might eventually get used to you. This commonsense axiom should make it clear that living down to the stereotype, a la Gender-Bending, is a very bad idea.

We can extract the following principle for our campaign to desensitize straights to gays and gayness, inundate them in a continuous flood of gay-related advertising, presented in the least offensive fashion possible. If straights can't shut off the shower, they may at least eventually get used to being wet.

Of course, while sheer indifference is, itself, vastly preferable to hatred and threats, we would like to do better than that. We turn next to more difficult, but also more vigorous and rewarding, tactics.

2. JAMMING

The trick is to get the bigot into the position of feeling a conflicting twinge of shame, along with his reward, whenever his homohatred surfaces, so that his reward will be diluted or spoiled. This can be accomplished in a variety of ways, all making use of repeated exposure to pictorial images or verbal statements that are incompatible with his self-image as a well-liked person, one who fits in with the rest of the crowd. Thus, propagandistic advertisement can depict homophobic and homohating bigots as crude loudmouths and ********--people who say not only 'sexual preference slurs but 'racial slurs and other shameful epithets--who are 'not Christian It can, in short, link homohating bigotry with all sorts of attributes the bigot would be ashamed to possess, and with social consequences he would find unpleasant and scar. Note that the bigot need not actually be made to believe that he is such a heinous creature, that others will now despise him, and that he has been the immoral agent of suffering. It would be impossible to make him believe any such thing. Rather, our effect is achieved without reference to facts, logic, or proof. Just as the bigot became such, without any say in the matter, through repeated infralogical emotional conditioning, his bigotry can be alloyed in exactly the same way, whether he is conscious of the attack or not.

 

3.CONVERSION

It isn't enough that antigay bigots should become confused about us, or even indifferent to us--we are safest, in the long run, if we can actually make them like us. Conversion aims at just this.

We mean conversion of the average American's emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media. We mean 'subverting' the mechanism of prejudice to our own ends--using the very processes that made America hate us to turn their hatred into warm regard--whether they like it or not.

Conversion, the bigot, who holds a very negative stereotypic picture, is repeatedly exposed to literal picture/label pairs, in magazines, and on billboards and TV, of gay- explicitly labeled as such!--who not only don't look like his picture of a homosexual, but are carefully selected to look either like the bigot and his friends, or like any one of his other stereotypes of all-right guys-- the kind of people he already likes and ` admires. This image must, of necessity, be carefully tailored to be free of absolutely every element of the widely held stereotypes of how homosexuals, dress, and sound. He--or she--must not be too well or fashionably dressed; must not be too handsome--that is, mustn't look like a model--or well groomed. The image must be that of an icon of normality

https://images.app.goo.gl/qf4oZKmf6PLbmHNk8

 

 

Edited by T-Falcon

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9 minutes ago, Boner said:

If your dad was riding a bicycle and someone pushed him off and he kicked the guy in the nuts, which made his sperm bad and stuff, would you want to charge him with sedition?

Sperm isn't a life

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14 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

Lol. Yeah the massive population slice of  less than 5% of the US population being homosexual but the media shoving it down the public's throat with 100% representation in most every TV show, cartoon, book, movie, etc..  almost like 

 

DESENSITIZATION

 

Apply this to the problem of homohatred. If gays present themselves-- or allow themselves to be presented--as overwhelmingly different and threatening, they will put straights on a triple-red alert, driving them to overt acts of political oppression or physical violence.If, however, gays can live alongside straights, visibly but as inoffensively as possible, they will arouse a low-grade alert only, which, though annoying to straights, will eventually diminish for purely physiological reasons. Straights will be desensitized. Put more simply, if you go out of your way to be unendurable, people will try to destroy you; otherwise, they might eventually get used to you. This commonsense axiom should make it clear that living down to the stereotype, a la Gender-Bending, is a very bad idea.

We can extract the following principle for our campaign to desensitize straights to gays and gayness, inundate them in a continuous flood of gay-related advertising, presented in the least offensive fashion possible. If straights can't shut off the shower, they may at least eventually get used to being wet.

Of course, while sheer indifference is, itself, vastly preferable to hatred and threats, we would like to do better than that. We turn next to more difficult, but also more vigorous and rewarding, tactics.

2. JAMMING

The trick is to get the bigot into the position of feeling a conflicting twinge of shame, along with his reward, whenever his homohatred surfaces, so that his reward will be diluted or spoiled. This can be accomplished in a variety of ways, all making use of repeated exposure to pictorial images or verbal statements that are incompatible with his self-image as a well-liked person, one who fits in with the rest of the crowd. Thus, propagandistic advertisement can depict homophobic and homohating bigots as crude loudmouths and ********--people who say not only 'sexual preference slurs but 'racial slurs and other shameful epithets--who are 'not Christian It can, in short, link homohating bigotry with all sorts of attributes the bigot would be ashamed to possess, and with social consequences he would find unpleasant and scar. Note that the bigot need not actually be made to believe that he is such a heinous creature, that others will now despise him, and that he has been the immoral agent of suffering. It would be impossible to make him believe any such thing. Rather, our effect is achieved without reference to facts, logic, or proof. Just as the bigot became such, without any say in the matter, through repeated infralogical emotional conditioning, his bigotry can be alloyed in exactly the same way, whether he is conscious of the attack or not.

 

3.CONVERSION

It isn't enough that antigay bigots should become confused about us, or even indifferent to us--we are safest, in the long run, if we can actually make them like us. Conversion aims at just this.

We mean conversion of the average American's emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media. We mean 'subverting' the mechanism of prejudice to our own ends--using the very processes that made America hate us to turn their hatred into warm regard--whether they like it or not.

Conversion, the bigot, who holds a very negative stereotypic picture, is repeatedly exposed to literal picture/label pairs, in magazines, and on billboards and TV, of gay- explicitly labeled as such!--who not only don't look like his picture of a homosexual, but are carefully selected to look either like the bigot and his friends, or like any one of his other stereotypes of all-right guys-- the kind of people he already likes and ` admires. This image must, of necessity, be carefully tailored to be free of absolutely every element of the widely held stereotypes of how homosexuals, dress, and sound. He--or she--must not be too well or fashionably dressed; must not be too handsome--that is, mustn't look like a model--or well groomed. The image must be that of an icon of normality

https://images.app.goo.gl/qf4oZKmf6PLbmHNk8

 

 

The social reality is that it's culturally acceptable. Y'all need to assimilate.

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