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If your dad was riding a bicycle and someone pushed him off and he kicked the guy in the nuts, which made his sperm bad and stuff, would you want to charge him with sedition?

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13 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

 

Lol. Yeah the massive population slice of  less than 5% of the US population being homosexual but the media shoving it down the public's throat with 100% representation in most every TV show, cartoon, book, movie, etc..  almost like 

 

DESENSITIZATION

 

Apply this to the problem of homohatred. If gays present themselves-- or allow themselves to be presented--as overwhelmingly different and threatening, they will put straights on a triple-red alert, driving them to overt acts of political oppression or physical violence.If, however, gays can live alongside straights, visibly but as inoffensively as possible, they will arouse a low-grade alert only, which, though annoying to straights, will eventually diminish for purely physiological reasons. Straights will be desensitized. Put more simply, if you go out of your way to be unendurable, people will try to destroy you; otherwise, they might eventually get used to you. This commonsense axiom should make it clear that living down to the stereotype, a la Gender-Bending, is a very bad idea.

We can extract the following principle for our campaign to desensitize straights to gays and gayness, inundate them in a continuous flood of gay-related advertising, presented in the least offensive fashion possible. If straights can't shut off the shower, they may at least eventually get used to being wet.

Of course, while sheer indifference is, itself, vastly preferable to hatred and threats, we would like to do better than that. We turn next to more difficult, but also more vigorous and rewarding, tactics.

2. JAMMING

The trick is to get the bigot into the position of feeling a conflicting twinge of shame, along with his reward, whenever his homohatred surfaces, so that his reward will be diluted or spoiled. This can be accomplished in a variety of ways, all making use of repeated exposure to pictorial images or verbal statements that are incompatible with his self-image as a well-liked person, one who fits in with the rest of the crowd. Thus, propagandistic advertisement can depict homophobic and homohating bigots as crude loudmouths and ********--people who say not only 'sexual preference slurs but 'racial slurs and other shameful epithets--who are 'not Christian It can, in short, link homohating bigotry with all sorts of attributes the bigot would be ashamed to possess, and with social consequences he would find unpleasant and scar. Note that the bigot need not actually be made to believe that he is such a heinous creature, that others will now despise him, and that he has been the immoral agent of suffering. It would be impossible to make him believe any such thing. Rather, our effect is achieved without reference to facts, logic, or proof. Just as the bigot became such, without any say in the matter, through repeated infralogical emotional conditioning, his bigotry can be alloyed in exactly the same way, whether he is conscious of the attack or not.

 

3.CONVERSION

It isn't enough that antigay bigots should become confused about us, or even indifferent to us--we are safest, in the long run, if we can actually make them like us. Conversion aims at just this.

We mean conversion of the average American's emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media. We mean 'subverting' the mechanism of prejudice to our own ends--using the very processes that made America hate us to turn their hatred into warm regard--whether they like it or not.

Conversion, the bigot, who holds a very negative stereotypic picture, is repeatedly exposed to literal picture/label pairs, in magazines, and on billboards and TV, of gay- explicitly labeled as such!--who not only don't look like his picture of a homosexual, but are carefully selected to look either like the bigot and his friends, or like any one of his other stereotypes of all-right guys-- the kind of people he already likes and ` admires. This image must, of necessity, be carefully tailored to be free of absolutely every element of the widely held stereotypes of how homosexuals, dress, and sound. He--or she--must not be too well or fashionably dressed; must not be too handsome--that is, mustn't look like a model--or well groomed. The image must be that of an icon of normality

https://images.app.goo.gl/qf4oZKmf6PLbmHNk8

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Boner said:

If your dad was riding a bicycle and someone pushed him off and he kicked the guy in the nuts, which made his sperm bad and stuff, would you want to charge him with sedition?

Sperm isn't a life

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14 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

Lol. Yeah the massive population slice of  less than 5% of the US population being homosexual but the media shoving it down the public's throat with 100% representation in most every TV show, cartoon, book, movie, etc..  almost like 

 

DESENSITIZATION

 

Apply this to the problem of homohatred. If gays present themselves-- or allow themselves to be presented--as overwhelmingly different and threatening, they will put straights on a triple-red alert, driving them to overt acts of political oppression or physical violence.If, however, gays can live alongside straights, visibly but as inoffensively as possible, they will arouse a low-grade alert only, which, though annoying to straights, will eventually diminish for purely physiological reasons. Straights will be desensitized. Put more simply, if you go out of your way to be unendurable, people will try to destroy you; otherwise, they might eventually get used to you. This commonsense axiom should make it clear that living down to the stereotype, a la Gender-Bending, is a very bad idea.

We can extract the following principle for our campaign to desensitize straights to gays and gayness, inundate them in a continuous flood of gay-related advertising, presented in the least offensive fashion possible. If straights can't shut off the shower, they may at least eventually get used to being wet.

Of course, while sheer indifference is, itself, vastly preferable to hatred and threats, we would like to do better than that. We turn next to more difficult, but also more vigorous and rewarding, tactics.

2. JAMMING

The trick is to get the bigot into the position of feeling a conflicting twinge of shame, along with his reward, whenever his homohatred surfaces, so that his reward will be diluted or spoiled. This can be accomplished in a variety of ways, all making use of repeated exposure to pictorial images or verbal statements that are incompatible with his self-image as a well-liked person, one who fits in with the rest of the crowd. Thus, propagandistic advertisement can depict homophobic and homohating bigots as crude loudmouths and ********--people who say not only 'sexual preference slurs but 'racial slurs and other shameful epithets--who are 'not Christian It can, in short, link homohating bigotry with all sorts of attributes the bigot would be ashamed to possess, and with social consequences he would find unpleasant and scar. Note that the bigot need not actually be made to believe that he is such a heinous creature, that others will now despise him, and that he has been the immoral agent of suffering. It would be impossible to make him believe any such thing. Rather, our effect is achieved without reference to facts, logic, or proof. Just as the bigot became such, without any say in the matter, through repeated infralogical emotional conditioning, his bigotry can be alloyed in exactly the same way, whether he is conscious of the attack or not.

 

3.CONVERSION

It isn't enough that antigay bigots should become confused about us, or even indifferent to us--we are safest, in the long run, if we can actually make them like us. Conversion aims at just this.

We mean conversion of the average American's emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media. We mean 'subverting' the mechanism of prejudice to our own ends--using the very processes that made America hate us to turn their hatred into warm regard--whether they like it or not.

Conversion, the bigot, who holds a very negative stereotypic picture, is repeatedly exposed to literal picture/label pairs, in magazines, and on billboards and TV, of gay- explicitly labeled as such!--who not only don't look like his picture of a homosexual, but are carefully selected to look either like the bigot and his friends, or like any one of his other stereotypes of all-right guys-- the kind of people he already likes and ` admires. This image must, of necessity, be carefully tailored to be free of absolutely every element of the widely held stereotypes of how homosexuals, dress, and sound. He--or she--must not be too well or fashionably dressed; must not be too handsome--that is, mustn't look like a model--or well groomed. The image must be that of an icon of normality

https://images.app.goo.gl/qf4oZKmf6PLbmHNk8

 

 

The social reality is that it's culturally acceptable. Y'all need to assimilate.

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23 minutes ago, Boner said:

If your dad was riding a bicycle and someone pushed him off and he kicked the guy in the nuts, which made his sperm bad and stuff, would you want to charge him with sedition?

Seedition...

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3 hours ago, T-Falcon said:

That's drug cos not the medical system per se. That's partially the problem with most of issues. Between a lawsuit infatuated society that wants to sue every doctor for all he has for trying to save their loved one to the major medical drug companies charging so much. Fix those two things and you fix alot before you even get to insurance. 

Correct .  Tort reform would be a major part of the solution.

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1 minute ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

The social reality is that it's culturally acceptable. Y'all need to assimilate.

Because of a planned and successful psychological attack against the American people. Surprise! The government can manipulate its population using the media, who'd have thunk it. Not everyone will assimilate to your sinful attacks on us and our children.  Just move along.  

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24 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

Lol. Yeah the massive population slice of  less than 5% of the US population being homosexual but the media shoving it down the public's throat with 100% representation in most every TV show, cartoon, book, movie, etc..  almost like 

 

DESENSITIZATION

 

Apply this to the problem of homohatred. If gays present themselves-- or allow themselves to be presented--as overwhelmingly different and threatening, they will put straights on a triple-red alert, driving them to overt acts of political oppression or physical violence.If, however, gays can live alongside straights, visibly but as inoffensively as possible, they will arouse a low-grade alert only, which, though annoying to straights, will eventually diminish for purely physiological reasons. Straights will be desensitized. Put more simply, if you go out of your way to be unendurable, people will try to destroy you; otherwise, they might eventually get used to you. This commonsense axiom should make it clear that living down to the stereotype, a la Gender-Bending, is a very bad idea.

We can extract the following principle for our campaign to desensitize straights to gays and gayness, inundate them in a continuous flood of gay-related advertising, presented in the least offensive fashion possible. If straights can't shut off the shower, they may at least eventually get used to being wet.

Of course, while sheer indifference is, itself, vastly preferable to hatred and threats, we would like to do better than that. We turn next to more difficult, but also more vigorous and rewarding, tactics.

2. JAMMING

The trick is to get the bigot into the position of feeling a conflicting twinge of shame, along with his reward, whenever his homohatred surfaces, so that his reward will be diluted or spoiled. This can be accomplished in a variety of ways, all making use of repeated exposure to pictorial images or verbal statements that are incompatible with his self-image as a well-liked person, one who fits in with the rest of the crowd. Thus, propagandistic advertisement can depict homophobic and homohating bigots as crude loudmouths and ********--people who say not only 'sexual preference slurs but 'racial slurs and other shameful epithets--who are 'not Christian It can, in short, link homohating bigotry with all sorts of attributes the bigot would be ashamed to possess, and with social consequences he would find unpleasant and scar. Note that the bigot need not actually be made to believe that he is such a heinous creature, that others will now despise him, and that he has been the immoral agent of suffering. It would be impossible to make him believe any such thing. Rather, our effect is achieved without reference to facts, logic, or proof. Just as the bigot became such, without any say in the matter, through repeated infralogical emotional conditioning, his bigotry can be alloyed in exactly the same way, whether he is conscious of the attack or not.

 

3.CONVERSION

It isn't enough that antigay bigots should become confused about us, or even indifferent to us--we are safest, in the long run, if we can actually make them like us. Conversion aims at just this.

We mean conversion of the average American's emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media. We mean 'subverting' the mechanism of prejudice to our own ends--using the very processes that made America hate us to turn their hatred into warm regard--whether they like it or not.

Conversion, the bigot, who holds a very negative stereotypic picture, is repeatedly exposed to literal picture/label pairs, in magazines, and on billboards and TV, of gay- explicitly labeled as such!--who not only don't look like his picture of a homosexual, but are carefully selected to look either like the bigot and his friends, or like any one of his other stereotypes of all-right guys-- the kind of people he already likes and ` admires. This image must, of necessity, be carefully tailored to be free of absolutely every element of the widely held stereotypes of how homosexuals, dress, and sound. He--or she--must not be too well or fashionably dressed; must not be too handsome--that is, mustn't look like a model--or well groomed. The image must be that of an icon of normality

https://images.app.goo.gl/qf4oZKmf6PLbmHNk8

 

 

"Homohatred"

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1 minute ago, Serge said:

"Homohatred"

"Homohatred" even on this very board has been defined as seeing it as sin, wrong, immoral, disagreeing with the behavior. Etc..

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4 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

Because of a planned and successful psychological attack against the American people. Surprise! The government can manipulate its population using the media, who'd have thunk it. Not everyone will assimilate to your sinful attacks on us and our children.  Just move along.  

It was actually a decades long grassroots campaign for a long abused minority to achieve their rights and to leave the immoral worldview of social conservatism in the dustbin of history.

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Oh right, you were the one that was obsessed with the idea that because Americans had to learn how not to hate homosexuality, we have to treat the media strategy to get there as a wicked plan to spread homosexuality. No wonder you just imagine people calling you a homophobe now.

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4 minutes ago, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

Just curious: Has anyone here met a gay person who admitted that the media is the reason they are gay?

I watched a Cheerios commercial once and boom... been gay ever since

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3 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

It was actually a decades long grassroots campaign for a long abused minority to achieve their rights and to leave the immoral worldview of social conservatism in the dustbin of history.

Yeah totes. Totally nothing to do with a plan carried out exactly as written in ther 90s by a psychologist. In fact taught in colleges

http://courses.missouristate.edu/RalphSmith/Notes/Pubpol7_Notes_8.htm

112 Prejudice is deep, automatic, and prelogical, the product of an emotional conditioning unassailable by any appeal to the intellect. It follows that homohatred is also impervious to argument, and that gays who, by raising the consciousness of the prejudiced, think to alter the oppressive circumstances under which we live, are simply urinating into the wind. Though laudably sincere, they're wasting their efforts and throwing away our hopes.

p. 156 We've now outlined three major modes by which we can alter the itinerary of prejudice in our favor. Desensitization lets the engine run out of steam, causing it to halt on the tracks indefinitely. Jamming, in essence, derails it. Conversion--our ambitious long-range goal--puts the engine into reverse gear and sends it back whence it came.

p. 162 Gays must launch a large-scale campaign--we've called it the Waging Peace campaign--to reach straights through the mainstream media.

p. 170 . . . activists have concentrated their efforts on politics, meaning efforts to secure gay rights [p. 171] by conspiring with liberal elites within the legal and legislative systems.

p. 171 In the long run, even if a conspiracy is formed and some legislative deal is struck, the agreement is built on beach sand so long as the public is left out of the bargain. Time and again, religious conservatives have washed away our gains with a frothy tide of public outcry and backlash.

p. 190 So, instead, we propose our own strategy for a large-scale media campaign, whose objectives and reasoning are expressed in eight practical principles for persuading straights:

[p. 191] 1. Don't just express yourself: communicate!

2. Appeal to the Ambivalent Skeptics.

3. Keep talking about gayness.

4. Keep your message focused: the issue is homosexuality.

5. Portray gays as victims, not as aggressive

challengers.

6. Give potential protectors a just cause.

7. Make gays look good.

8. Make victimizers look bad.

 

The lifting of the taboo over speech will have (I predict) a significant effect on the public lives of many nongay people. Studies have shown that, on gay issues, people are greatly affected in their opinions by how they think other people will perceive them. Taboos encourage, indeed, enforce, the aping of opinions from one person to the next, causing them to circulate independently of both critical assessment and authentic feeling. The result is that many nongay people feel socially required to be gay-fearing or gay-hating, even when they are not homophobic by personal inclination

 

It wasnt grassroots or organic. it was a social manipulation and to assault the psychology of the society into being afraid to have a disagreeing opinion without fear of reprisal.

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9 minutes ago, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

Just curious: Has anyone here met a gay person who admitted that the media is the reason they are gay?

They wouldn't know. That's how deep the brainwashing goes.

Now, straight, religious people who are obsessed with and hate gay people, seemingly for some sort of deep personal reason, are very normal.

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I mean let’s be real... you’re not mad that “gay stuff” is being “shoved down your throat.” You’re mad because there is any representation at all. And despite your ignorance you somehow find space to be angry that people resent your intolerance.

Your outrage would be no less if “gay stuff” was represented in “only 5%” of pop culture.

Like I hope you never have to experience your kid being driven to suicidal thoughts because they just are not sexually attracted to the opposite sex at all and kids at school bully them about it. I hope they don’t get assaulted just for being who they are. I hope that doesn’t have to happen to you in order for you to understand why normalizing and removing the culture of shame about it is a good thing.

But a root part of the problem is that you think being gay is a lifestyle choice.

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2 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

Yeah totes. Totally nothing to do with a plan carried out exactly as written in ther 90s by a psychologist. In fact taught in colleges

http://courses.missouristate.edu/RalphSmith/Notes/Pubpol7_Notes_8.htm

112 Prejudice is deep, automatic, and prelogical, the product of an emotional conditioning unassailable by any appeal to the intellect. It follows that homohatred is also impervious to argument, and that gays who, by raising the consciousness of the prejudiced, think to alter the oppressive circumstances under which we live, are simply urinating into the wind. Though laudably sincere, they're wasting their efforts and throwing away our hopes.

p. 156 We've now outlined three major modes by which we can alter the itinerary of prejudice in our favor. Desensitization lets the engine run out of steam, causing it to halt on the tracks indefinitely. Jamming, in essence, derails it. Conversion--our ambitious long-range goal--puts the engine into reverse gear and sends it back whence it came.

p. 162 Gays must launch a large-scale campaign--we've called it the Waging Peace campaign--to reach straights through the mainstream media.

p. 170 . . . activists have concentrated their efforts on politics, meaning efforts to secure gay rights [p. 171] by conspiring with liberal elites within the legal and legislative systems.

p. 171 In the long run, even if a conspiracy is formed and some legislative deal is struck, the agreement is built on beach sand so long as the public is left out of the bargain. Time and again, religious conservatives have washed away our gains with a frothy tide of public outcry and backlash.

p. 190 So, instead, we propose our own strategy for a large-scale media campaign, whose objectives and reasoning are expressed in eight practical principles for persuading straights:

[p. 191] 1. Don't just express yourself: communicate!

2. Appeal to the Ambivalent Skeptics.

3. Keep talking about gayness.

4. Keep your message focused: the issue is homosexuality.

5. Portray gays as victims, not as aggressive

challengers.

6. Give potential protectors a just cause.

7. Make gays look good.

8. Make victimizers look bad.

 

The lifting of the taboo over speech will have (I predict) a significant effect on the public lives of many nongay people. Studies have shown that, on gay issues, people are greatly affected in their opinions by how they think other people will perceive them. Taboos encourage, indeed, enforce, the aping of opinions from one person to the next, causing them to circulate independently of both critical assessment and authentic feeling. The result is that many nongay people feel socially required to be gay-fearing or gay-hating, even when they are not homophobic by personal inclination

 

It wasnt grassroots or organic. it was a social manipulation and to assault the psychology of the society into being afraid to have a disagreeing opinion without fear of reprisal.

You can just say 'gay agenda.' We'll make fun of you whether you do or not.

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13 minutes ago, Gritzblitz 2.0 said:

Just curious: Has anyone here met a gay person who admitted that the media is the reason they are gay?

Did you even read it or did you just post nonsense for like clicks? Never was that the message of any of it

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Just now, Psychic Gibbon said:

You can just say 'gay agenda.' We'll make fun of you whether you do or not.

It's ok. Im not surprised at your response.  It's how you've been programmed.

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Just now, T-Falcon said:

It's ok. Im not surprised at your response.  It's how you've been programmed.

24 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

It was actually a decades long grassroots campaign for a long abused minority to achieve their rights and to leave the immoral worldview of social conservatism in the dustbin of history.

All you did was post the strategy for this.

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5 minutes ago, Carter said:

I mean let’s be real... you’re not mad that “gay stuff” is being “shoved down your throat.” You’re mad because there is any representation at all. And despite your ignorance you somehow find space to be angry that people resent your intolerance.

Your outrage would be no less if “gay stuff” was represented in “only 5%” of pop culture.

Like I hope you never have to experience your kid being driven to suicidal thoughts because they just are not sexually attracted to the opposite sex at all and kids at school bully them about it. I hope they don’t get assaulted just for being who they are. I hope that doesn’t have to happen to you in order for you to understand why normalizing and removing the culture of shame about it is a good thing.

But a root part of the problem is that you think being gay is a lifestyle choice.

Thers a lot of assumptions in your statement.  Just stick with facts. 

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