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Not the new Donald Trump Presidency thread

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15 minutes ago, Carter said:

You're arguing with people who think there is a conspiracy where the military (or trusted people loyal to the people, which they call "white hats") will suddenly arrest hundreds of people in "the cabal" and restore the country to "a true republic."

When Obama was president, this meant getting rid of him and having a new election. But I'm guessing now that Trump is president, to them it now means Trump will be president indefinitely.

Wut?

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Pretty messed up that they filed the charges while acknowledging they have no jurisdiction. :lol: 

Minus whale just tell every foreign adversary they can charge any American journalist with a crime and wait for them to get caught somewhere. If that journalist happens to get found butchered in an embassy... oh wait

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4 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

Wut?

If you're really arguing about republic vs democracy in the context of the US government and you don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory I mentioned, you have a special type of galaxy brain friend. I've read all about this conspiracy and know of many people who believe that crap. It's also a central tenet of QAnon. Qanoners will argue day and night with people about "republic" vs "democracy"

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Just now, Carter said:

If you're really arguing about republic vs democracy in the context of the US government and you don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory I mentioned, you have a special type of galaxy brain friend. I've read all about this conspiracy and know of many people who believe that crap. It's also a central tenet of QAnon. Qanoners will argue day and night with people about "republic" vs "democracy"

I am not a Qanon guy,  at all. Never thought if it as anything more than some loony toons nonsense. I just think a democratic republic is the best option in terms of a government system. In a true democracy there is only majority rules. So the minority gets abused and ignored. It's really not preferable. I dont see how anyone on these boards would think that was preferable. 

The founding fathers hit it out of the park. I think a free market goes hand in hand with a democratic republic. But I also believe a social safety net to a degree is also part of it.  But it only works properly when eveyone is playing the rules,  the same rules and everyone in government has the same goal in mind prioritizing US citizens, sovereignty, and self defense.  

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Yes, we are in a country where whistleblowers get tagged as felons and jailed for not snitching. Meanwhile actual war criminals are getting pardons. Just wonderful.

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8 minutes ago, Carter said:

Yes, we are in a country where whistleblowers get tagged as felons and jailed for not snitching. Meanwhile actual war criminals are getting pardons. Just wonderful.

Thanks Trump!

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19 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

I am not a Qanon guy,  at all. Never thought if it as anything more than some loony toons nonsense. I just think a democratic republic is the best option in terms of a government system. In a true democracy there is only majority rules. So the minority gets abused and ignored. It's really not preferable. I dont see how anyone on these boards would think that was preferable. 

The founding fathers hit it out of the park. I think a free market goes hand in hand with a democratic republic. But I also believe a social safety net to a degree is also part of it.  But it only works properly when eveyone is playing the rules,  the same rules and everyone in government has the same goal in mind prioritizing US citizens, sovereignty, and self defense.  

How do you reckon this against the reality that we consistently puts reps in that serve corporate interests first and foremost? The information is easy to look up, there are only a few members of Congress who have not accepted large donations from corporate entities or special interest groups. ALL of the leadership within both parties has soaked up millions from them and enacted various policies that don't serve anyone but the ultra wealthy.

How is this measured against the ideal of a government "designed" to be representative of the people?

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6 hours ago, The Legendary SB said:

No point in arguing with the "useful idiots" who don't understand basic government or basic economics.  Still think capitalism and corporations are evil while supporting an all powerful government to make everything "fair".

I don't expect to convince anybody of anything here.  So...continue on useful idiots.  

I'll start it off for you:   ORANGE MAN BAD, SOCIALISM GOOD!

Continue on...

 

6 hours ago, The Legendary SB said:

OK I give up!  You guys are saying mean things to me so I'm going to change my beliefs to conform and be treated nicely.

ORANGE MAN BAD SOCIALISM GOOD!

Image result for soviet flag gif

Look at me!  I'm one of the cool kids now!  *high fives everybody*

Yay socailism!  Down with capitalism!

nice meltdown

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4 minutes ago, Carter said:

How do you reckon this against the reality that we consistently puts reps in that serve corporate interests first and foremost? The information is easy to look up, there are only a few members of Congress who have not accepted large donations from corporate entities or special interest groups. ALL of the leadership within both parties has soaked up millions from them and enacted various policies that don't serve anyone but the ultra wealthy.

How is this measured against the ideal of a government "designed" to be representative of the people?

It's a massive problem within the system that can and should be addressed.  Term limits,  limit on money donated, campaign spending cap, allow no outside financial ventures during your term. 

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8 minutes ago, Carter said:

Obama made Manning a felon for life btw.

To be frank, Manning and Snowden should be punished for their crimes. Yes, in a sense, they did a public service, but that was their choice and sacrifice to make.

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6 hours ago, HMFIC said:

Leftists are an insult to a Capitalist  country.

Unchecked capitalism is an insult and threat to most of humanity so, you know, fair turnabout and all.

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6 hours ago, T-Falcon said:

It's a massive problem within the system that can and should be addressed.  Term limits,  limit on money donated, campaign spending cap, allow no outside financial ventures during your term. 

Yay Hamilton.

 

but seriously, there is no long term thought on the market with companies anymore (maybe it was a myth that things are long term).  It’s quarterly profits after quarterly profits.  Company can be doing game busters and boom! Lay off 15% of staff to maintain projections.  The market is a double edged sword.  It is also legalized gambling (unless you are in congress).

i want you to ask yourself why 5 times when solving a problem.  I also want you to start having systems thinking and think beyond the immediate impact zone.  Root cause analysis is a flawed strategy in complex systems.  

 

A broken part in a plane crash does not explain the conditions that took place of how the part got that way.  Bah just read “drift into failure”

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Posted (edited)

Nevada to join the popular vote clan. Lol it's going to be totally awesome when Ca and Ny are the only states that matter to win an election.  That's exactly what the founders wanted: 2 states out of 50 control the nation.  

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13 hours ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

 

If you go there try the hamburger, $25 but well worth it.  You'll also run into a few celebrities from acting to business, it's the [lace to go in DC. 

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13 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

Nevada to join the popular vote clan. Lol it's going to be totally awesome when Ca and Ny are the only states that matter to win an election.  That's exactly what the founders wanted: 2 states out of 50 control the nation.  

The want a few states or for that matter a few major cities to control the nation. Or in other words, they want the nation to be homeless Hoover towns, and for the rest of us watch where we walk due to all the feces covering the sidewalks.

I don't know about you but I'm never going to eat flamingos or my pets for that matter.

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