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Not the new Donald Trump Presidency thread

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1 hour ago, Leon Troutsky said:

It’s literally the name of their country.  :lol:

You could name a country anything you would like, but that doesn't make it a Republic, ........I guess you missed that little tidbit in your latest tirade.  And you are calling yourself an educator.  SHEESH !

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21 minutes ago, HMFIC said:

You could name a country anything you would like, but that doesn't make it a Republic, ........I guess you missed that little tidbit in your latest tirade.  And you are calling yourself an educator.  SHEESH !

So a “republican” must have elements of democracy in it?

That Plato dude might have a thought or two about that.  :lol:

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20 minutes ago, Big_Dog said:

Thank you. Just got home and it went well. Appreciate your well wishes buddy.

I'm glad you are alive, bro.  I love you.

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4 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

So a “republican” must have elements of democracy in it?

That Plato dude might have a thought or two about that.  :lol:

I wonder how they explain France going from a republic to an empire even though Napoleon was the leader of both.

And this applies to both times this happened under different Napoleons.

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21 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

So a “republican” must have elements of democracy in it?

That Plato dude might have a thought or two about that.  :lol:

Well a republic must have some element of the people electing someone to office. Hence republic.  Now a democratic Republic is the best. But Romes Republic clearly was different than ours and certainly not as beneficial to its people.

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2 hours ago, The Legendary SB said:

OK I give up!  You guys are saying mean things to me so I'm going to change my beliefs to conform and be treated nicely.

ORANGE MAN BAD SOCIALISM GOOD!

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Look at me!  I'm one of the cool kids now!  *high fives everybody*

Yay socailism!  Down with capitalism!

Where's the outrage over this socialist president?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, T-Falcon said:

Well a republic must have some element of the people electing someone to office. Hence republic.  Now a democratic Republic is the best. But Romes Republic clearly was different than ours and certainly not as beneficial to its people.

Tell it to Plato.  His idea of a republic involved a philosopher king.

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Despite my the onion post earlier.....

 

Assange being charged with what he was.........that seems really really bad. We whine all day about how important the media is to our system. The evidence better be rock solid or we are looking at a scary precedent here.

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29 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

 

Dumb take.  People are always trying to get pictures with people like Barr.  He can’t know everything single nutjob out there or recognize their faces when he’s asked for a pic.  

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4 minutes ago, Jpowers said:

Despite my the onion post earlier.....

 

Assange being charged with what he was.........that seems really really bad. We whine all day about how important the media is to our system. The evidence better be rock solid or we are looking at a scary precedent here.

If he was part of, or substantially assisted, with the illegal hacking or stealing of the material itself then I have no problem with it.  If he’s being prosecuted simply for releasing it to the public then it’s a scary precedent.  But I’m not sure that’s the case here.  

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30 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

Tell it to Plato.  His idea of a republic involved a philosopher king.

Tell it to Webster. Stop trying to be so clever you get stupid.
  • republic

     noun
    re·pub·lic | \ ri-ˈpə-blik  \

    Definition of republic

     

    1a(1): a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president
    (2): a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
    b(1): a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law
    (2): a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
    c: a usually specified republicangovernment of a political unitthe French Fourth Republic
    2: a body of persons freely engaged in a specified activitythe republic of letters
    3: a constituent political and territorial unit of the former nations of Czechoslovakia, the U.S.S.R., or Yugoslavia

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1 minute ago, T-Falcon said:

Well a republic must have some element of the people electing someone to office. Hence republic.  Now a democratic Republic is the best. But Romes Republic clearly was different than ours and certainly not as beneficial to its people.

Uh... No.

It really just comes down to whether or not there is a monarch or not. It's why the Romans had a distinction between res privata (private matter), in which the realm was under the private ownership of the sovereign (hence why people were subjects), and res publica (public matter), in which the country was controlled by the citizens. This is why Romans were so obsessed with citizenship.

You can also have a republic with zero input from the people. It is how they traditionally operated, usually with the oligarchs choosing who would be the executive, up until the liberal era, in which the concept of commoners having some say through elections was introduced.

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1 hour ago, T-Falcon said:
Tell it to Webster. Stop trying to be so clever you get stupid.
  • republic

     noun
    re·pub·lic | \ ri-ˈpə-blik  \

    Definition of republic

     

    1a(1): a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president
    (2): a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
    b(1): a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law
    (2): a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
    c: a usually specified republicangovernment of a political unitthe French Fourth Republic
    2: a body of persons freely engaged in a specified activitythe republic of letters
    3: a constituent political and territorial unit of the former nations of Czechoslovakia, the U.S.S.R., or Yugoslavia

democracy

noun,  plural de·moc·ra·cies.

government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents underfree electoral system.
state having such a form of government:The United States and Canada are democracies.
state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
political or social equality; democratic spirit.
the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; thecommon people with respect to their political power.
 
^^^The first definitely looks strikingly similar to the definition of a “republic”, don’t you think?

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5 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

democracy

noun,  plural de·moc·ra·cies.

government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents underfree electoral system.
state having such a form of government:The United States and Canada are democracies.
state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
political or social equality; democratic spirit.
the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; thecommon people with respect to their political power.
 
^^^The first definitely looks strikingly similar to the definition of a “republic”, don’t you think?

You're arguing with people who think there is a conspiracy where the military (or trusted people loyal to the people, which they call "white hats") will suddenly arrest hundreds of people in "the cabal" and restore the country to "a true republic."

When Obama was president, this meant getting rid of him and having a new election. But I'm guessing now that Trump is president, to them it now means Trump will be president indefinitely.

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