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ESPN INSIDER: NFL execs unfiltered on every team's 2019 draft class

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The three teams making the largest percentage jumps up the draft board via trades have one thing in common: Their coaches could be under pressure after disappointing 2018 seasons.

"Teams make the bigger moves up to get that quality player so they can sustain success, or you make a move like that to get your quarterback of the future," a GM said.

The Falcons are trying to sustain a window that closed last season, but not necessarily for good. They selected guard Chris Lindstrom 14th overall and then traded up from the 45th slot to select tackle Kaleb McGary at No. 31 in an obvious desire to improve their offensive line.

"We think McGary can be the best offensive lineman in this draft," a different GM said. "What we don't know is exactly where that would be on the line."

The Falcons' 14-spot jump from the 45th pick represented a 31 percent climb up the board. That ranked third behind the Steelers' jump from the 20th to the 10th slot (a 50 percent climb) and the Redskins' jump from the 46th to the 26th slot (a 43 percent climb).

"They have a franchise quarterback, a **** good running back and they are protecting those guys," a third GM said. "That guy [Matt Ryan] was getting his *** handed to him."

An exec thought the Falcons might groom Lindstrom to one day succeed center Alex Mack.

"We really liked Lindstrom but were a little surprised they took him at 14," an evaluator said. "Pass-rusher is still a giant question mark. Maybe they think everything will take care of itself if they just protect Matt Ryan, but they could be in a lot of shootouts, so you'd better have the ball at the end and hope your D is not on the field."

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1 hour ago, atljbo said:

 

"We really liked Lindstrom but were a little surprised they took him at 14," an evaluator said. "Pass-rusher is still a giant question mark. Maybe they think everything will take care of itself if they just protect Matt Ryan, but they could be in a lot of shootouts, so you'd better have the ball at the end and hope your D is not on the field."

The truth is - there are only about 10 teams in the league that would have a chance in a shootout w/ the Falcons.

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2 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

The truth is - there are only about 10 teams in the league that would have a chance in a shootout w/ the Falcons.

One big important thing is We know TD loves to grab a Vet player even if they have to trade a late round pick to do so. Depending on how these rookie contracts break down(not the most knowledgeable in that aspect) their may be room to add a potential Pass Rusher in FA/Trade still

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18 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

The truth is - there are only about 10 teams in the league that would have a chance in a shootout w/ the Falcons.

My thing is I donto get why ppl think our D will be bad ... We literally got end game by injuries plus some guys had legit down years.   

Late 2016 we had a top 10 D (after the KC game) and 2017 we had a top 10 D... 

We have to go out there and prove it but I don't know why ppl automatically think the D will be bad.... I think the opposite

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5 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

The truth is - there are only about 10 teams in the league that would have a chance in a shootout w/ the Falcons.

Sad thing is, if Cam is healthy, 3 of those teams are in the division. I expect Winston's new coach to get the most out of him, Brees is still Brees until proven otherwise and a healthy Cam can still hurt you.

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Just now, atljbo said:

My thing is I donto get why ppl think our D will be bad ... We literally got end game by injuries plus some guys had legit down years.   

Late 2016 we had a top 10 D (after the KC game) and 2017 we had a top 10 D... 

We have to go out there and prove it but I don't know why ppl automatically think the D will be bad.... I think the opposite

yeah I agree.   All the TATF'rs that were losing their mind that we didn't take a Defensive player in round 1 - it's like they erased from their memory banks that we were down 3 of our best starters almost all  of 2019.

I certainly believe we need more horses on defense but we are closer to Top 10 than Bottom 5 in defense as currently constituted w/ healthy Debo, Keanu and Rico for the year.

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Seems overall consensus was little Lindstrom and McGary we’re both 25-40 type guys

woukd have loved to be able to take a dt or pass rush and then those two. But no feasible way to do that

the only way to have had any shot at rusher would be to be willing to take a different guard in the second (and trade back in the first for McGary)

no one is quibbling w the picks themselves, so that’s good

i still would have preferred Wilkins then McGary if Wilkins dropper one more, but that’s just the draft for you

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This draft after top defensive prospects was very thin. Most teams had a run on OL for a reason. Heck, there was only one CB taken in the first round. Falcons probably tried to trade down few spots before Vikings but it takes two to make a trade.

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35 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

The truth is - there are only about 10 teams in the league that would have a chance in a shootout w/ the Falcons.

If that.  Probably 6-7.

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35 minutes ago, FalconofShadows said:

One big important thing is We know TD loves to grab a Vet player even if they have to trade a late round pick to do so. Depending on how these rookie contracts break down(not the most knowledgeable in that aspect) their may be room to add a potential Pass Rusher in FA/Trade still

There will be a.serviceable pass rusher in the 2nd wave of free agency.

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9 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

yeah I agree.   All the TATF'rs that were losing their mind that we didn't take a Defensive player in round 1 - it's like they erased from their memory banks that we were down 3 of our best starters almost all  of 2019.

I certainly believe we need more horses on defense but we are closer to Top 10 than Bottom 5 in defense as currently constituted w/ healthy Debo, Keanu and Rico for the year.

Noo doubt I wanted Ed Oliver..  I think Ed could have help us out but no way someone can think one guy on D will make a ****** D to a top 10 D

 

I thought our D was already talented.. We was just adding anot her good **** player.

 

 

 IDK.. I just don't get why ppl think HEALTHY... That our D is bad

 

Philly had problems vs our D

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17 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

yeah I agree.   All the TATF'rs that were losing their mind that we didn't take a Defensive player in round 1 - it's like they erased from their memory banks that we were down 3 of our best starters almost all  of 2019.

I certainly believe we need more horses on defense but we are closer to Top 10 than Bottom 5 in defense as currently constituted w/ healthy Debo, Keanu and Rico for the year.

Im excited.to.see.Rico and Kazee on field.at same time.

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41 minutes ago, FalconofShadows said:

One big important thing is We know TD loves to grab a Vet player even if they have to trade a late round pick to do so. Depending on how these rookie contracts break down(not the most knowledgeable in that aspect) their may be room to add a potential Pass Rusher in FA/Trade still

We signed pass rusher Bruce Irvin last year in November!

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1 hour ago, g-dawg said:

The truth is - there are only about 10 teams in the league that would have a chance in a shootout w/ the Falcons.

If our OL is as good as it should be and our offense like it used to be under Koetter... I'd say maybe 4 or 5. 

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1 hour ago, atljbo said:

My thing is I donto get why ppl think our D will be bad ... We literally got end game by injuries plus some guys had legit down years.   

Late 2016 we had a top 10 D (after the KC game) and 2017 we had a top 10 D... 

We have to go out there and prove it but I don't know why ppl automatically think the D will be bad.... I think the opposite

they know it, but don't want to say it because that won't get clicks or responses...

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1 hour ago, atljbo said:

My thing is I donto get why ppl think our D will be bad ... We literally got end game by injuries plus some guys had legit down years.   

Late 2016 we had a top 10 D (after the KC game) and 2017 we had a top 10 D... 

We have to go out there and prove it but I don't know why ppl automatically think the D will be bad.... I think the opposite

Our secondary was horrible and we had no sign of a pass rush.. Nit to mention, Duke Riley was our starting lb'er.. Tell me again how you think our defense wasnt bad last season? 

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12 minutes ago, ⚡Slumerican⚡ said:

Our secondary was horrible and we had no sign of a pass rush.. Tell me again how you think our defense wasnt bad last season? 

did you read what i said... i said last year was a down year..... i never said last year wasnt a down year.... I talked about the previous year when we had a mostly HEALTHY D.

I feel like Deion Jones getting hurt changed the whole D..... We had to go from aggressive man to more zone.... I also think us losing our best run Defender Keanu Neal effected us.... i also think we missed a bulldog like Adrian Clayborn... He is not a high sack guy but he is disruptive.. I think we missed rico leadership and sure tackling.

Im not disputing we had a bad year...Rocky fell off the deepest cliff.. The most disappointing part of last year was our Vet Corners not stepping up and taking over the D when we got hit by the injuries.

But pre injury our D looked good.. We wasnt a high sack team in 2017.... Our Offense was inconsistent *** **** (more of a outlier year) but our D was top 10... Facts

 

But yea i do think our Dis better then last year D.... purely off of getting guys back healthy..... I do think Davison is a good run defender.... But what Coach Quinn can get out of Takk and Vic will determine how good this D will really be.

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1 hour ago, atljbo said:

My thing is I donto get why ppl think our D will be bad ... We literally got end game by injuries plus some guys had legit down years.   

Late 2016 we had a top 10 D (after the KC game) and 2017 we had a top 10 D... 

We have to go out there and prove it but I don't know why ppl automatically think the D will be bad.... I think the opposite

I don’t get it either.

Many think it’s because we needed to draft a DT or sign Shelton, now they predict doom. 

For me, DE was the bigger need on the DL, but we will have a good defense if the secondary flushes out. Oliver will need to step up.

But I still don’t get why so many th)no the D will be bad.

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2 hours ago, g-dawg said:

The truth is - there are only about 10 teams in the league that would have a chance in a shootout w/ the Falcons.

If your defense sucks, any team can beat you in a shootout.  See our consecutive losses last year despite scoring 36 ppg

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48 minutes ago, gazoo said:

I don’t get it either.

Many think it’s because we needed to draft a DT or sign Shelton, now they predict doom. 

For me, DE was the bigger need on the DL, but we will have a good defense if the secondary flushes out. Oliver will need to step up.

But I still don’t get why so many th)no the D will be bad.

Even the best corners in the league can only defend so long.. No pressure up the middle or rushers from the edge and our defense will be sub standard and probably end up with a ton of Pi penalties.. Just reality 

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12 minutes ago, ⚡Slumerican⚡ said:

Even the best corners in the league can only defend so long.. No pressure up the middle or rushers from the edge and our defense will be sub standard and probably end up with a ton of Pi penalties.. Just reality 

There will be pressure up the middle and from the edges, it’s just a matter of how much.

Last time DQ ran the defense, Beasley led the NFL in sacks. Lets see what he can do with Beasley, Takk, Clayborn, Grady, Hageman and the rest. 

Also don’t assume we won’t sign a veteran pass rushing specialist like we have in past in Irvin etc

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