Posted May 2 Dirk Koetter loves to preach balance, yet history shows he is pass happy. This is especially true in short yardage situations. The graph below is troubling...if the trend continues, our success will run hot & cold with him as our OC. Over two seasons we only attempted 6 runs on 3rd & 2. Tragic. Hopefully the FO had this in mind when rebuilding the OL this offseason I honestly think it can be a banner season if our run-to-pass ratio is around 45-55. We need more 2016 and less 2013-2015 Francis York Morgan, Schwarzwald, athell and 8 others like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2 He was with TB. They didn't have a RB. And in addition, a crappy OL. The Rock, Cole World, The Daywalker and 3 others like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2 3 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: Dirk Koetter loves to preach balance, yet history shows he is pass happy. This is especially true in short yardage situations. The graph below is troubling...if the trend continues, our success will run hot & cold with him as our OC. Over two seasons we only attempted 6 runs on 3rd & 2. Tragic. Hopefully the FO had this in mind when rebuilding the OL this offseason I honestly think it can be a banner season if our run-to-pass ratio is around 45-55. You've been a fan since 2012 so you should know Kutty prefers a quick screen over a dive play any day of the week. I heard Mularkey will be influencing the run game. If that's the case expect more runs. That will make play action more effective and set up some gadget plays. vel, Francis York Morgan, TheFatboi and 7 others like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2 Just now, FalconFanSince1970 said: You've been a fan since 2012 so you should know Kutty prefers a quick screen over a dive play any day of the week. I heard Mularkey will be influencing the run game. If that's the case expect more runs. That will make play action more effective and set up some gadget plays. I’ve been a fan since 85...but a TATF fan since 2012 Cole World, VTCrunkler, Monolith2001 and 9 others like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2 Man that's the old koetter. This offense is a trifecta of Koetter Murlarky and Shanny offense. I don't see this being your same ol pass happy aerial attack. WE BIG NOW AND WE GOT POWER BITXH. FalconsIn2012, PokerSteve and quickzero like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2 I think the NFL trend is becoming pass on 3rd and short. I do miss the big backs bowling ball their way on short yardage like Lewis and Bettis. GATXBOI, Chitown2ATL_Falcon, papachaz and 4 others like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2 4 minutes ago, Falcons_Frenzy said: I think the NFL trend is becoming pass on 3rd and short. I do miss the big backs bowling ball their way on short yardage like Lewis and Bettis. I think you'll see the opposite. Teams now have drafted defenses to contend with the spread attacks the NFL is becoming. The cycle is coming back around to having more power run plays to defeat defenses set up to defend the pass. Knight of God, Drew4719, FuhRealDoh and 13 others like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2 2 minutes ago, ltstorm2 said: I think you'll see the opposite. Teams now have drafted defenses to contend with the spread attacks the NFL is becoming. The cycle is coming back around to having more power run plays to defeat defenses set up to defend the pass. It’s why NE built a huge line and went back to power running two years ago. Bill is always two steps ahead. When the rest catch up, he will already moving in the next direction ltstorm2, Falcons_Frenzy, Flying Falcon and 3 others like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2 48 minutes ago, Tim Mazetti said: He was with TB. They didn't have a RB. And in addition, a crappy OL. These are from his time as our OC between 2013-2014 runshoot likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2 4 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: It’s why NE built a huge line and went back to power running two years ago. Bill is always two steps ahead. When the rest catch up, he will already moving in the next direction Interesting graph here, peep NE... Success rates seem higher across the board for the most part passing vice running... Goober Pyle and FalconsIn2012 like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2 53 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: Dirk Koetter loves to preach balance, yet history shows he is pass happy. This is especially true in short yardage situations. The graph below is troubling...if the trend continues, our success will run hot & cold with him as our OC. Over two seasons we only attempted 6 runs on 3rd & 2. Tragic. Hopefully the FO had this in mind when rebuilding the OL this offseason I honestly think it can be a banner season if our run-to-pass ratio is around 45-55. We need more 2016 and less 2013-2015 Interesting, although Koetter wasn't here in 2015. And 2013 is when the Oline started falling apart. That really might reflect Koetter's opinion on the Oline and the chances of making 2 yards on the ground rather than his true preference. FalconsIn2012 likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2 8 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: It’s why NE built a huge line and went back to power running two years ago. Bill is always two steps ahead. When the rest catch up, he will already moving in the next direction Also go look at the line. How many first rounders starting? FalconFanSince1970, FalconsIn2012, Flying Falcon and 1 other like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2 3 minutes ago, athell said: Interesting graph here, peep NE... Success rates seem higher across the board for the most part passing vice running... BTW, that’s an incredible research tool. Where did you get it? And am I reading it wrong? Its measuring 3rd & 1 in 2018. Run success and Pass success. Right? If so, running on 3rd & 1 is 15% more successful. Look at Baltimore on runs...lol FalconFanSince1970 likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 2 2 minutes ago, Knight of God said: Also go look at the line. How many first rounders starting? 0 last year, though Wynn would have made 1. Knight of God and Flying Falcon like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 3 2 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: BTW, that’s an incredible research tool. Where did you get it? And am I reading it wrong? Its measuring 3rd & 1 in 2018. Run success and Pass success. Right? If so, running on 3rd & 1 is 15% more successful. Look at Baltimore on runs...lol https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/situational-run-pass-ratios--off-.html So I did 3rd and 1-3 yards and yeah BAL run run run that rock. To your point though as well, NE ran 50 times vs passed 35. FalconsIn2012 likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 3 1 minute ago, athell said: 0 last year, though Wynn would have made 1. Almost always a no name line. Same system as Saban. This is why I never use anything from the Patriots as an example Schwarzwald, athell, Flying Falcon and 1 other like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 3 4 minutes ago, Knight of God said: Also go look at the line. How many first rounders starting? Maybe Trent Brown? All I know is we have more 1st rounders on our OL than NE had in their entire starting offense and defense last year Knight of God likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 3 Just now, Knight of God said: Almost always a no name line. Same system as Saban. This is why I never use anything from the Patriots as an example lol they are playing a different game man... Flying Falcon, Knight of God, Schwarzwald and 1 other like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 3 Just now, Falconsin2012 said: Maybe Trent Brown? All I know is we have more 1st rounders on our OL than NE had in their entire starting offense and defense last year If Carpenter starts along with Matthews/Mack/Lindstrom and McGary we will be the first oline in NFL history to start 1st round picks all down the line. HouseofEuphoria, Knight of God and falconsd56 like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 3 20 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: These are from his time as our OC between 2013-2014 Yep. Things have changed. JDaveG likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 3 8 minutes ago, athell said: If Carpenter starts along with Matthews/Mack/Lindstrom and McGary we will be the first oline in NFL history to start 1st round picks all down the line. That’s a lot of pressure ltstorm2, FalconsIn2012, Flying Falcon and 2 others like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 3 5 minutes ago, athell said: https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/situational-run-pass-ratios--off-.html So I did 3rd and 1-3 yards and yeah BAL run run run that rock. To your point though as well, NE ran 50 times vs passed 35. Baltimore had Jackson as their QB for much of the year. I imagine that the proportion would be much the same for Cam's early years. Wondering if Baltimore's success running the ball skews the numbers. Man, if the Falcons can run the ball on 3rd and 1, they're gonna win a lot of games this year. athell likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 3 38 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: These are from his time as our OC between 2013-2014 Which he still did not have a consistent running back and had a bad oline (2014 started good but it was decimated by injury) JDaveG likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 3 41 minutes ago, Knight of God said: Almost always a no name line. Same system as Saban. This is why I never use anything from the Patriots as an example If Cleveland would have been patient, what could have been. Imagine 1995 with Belichick as HC, Saban as DC, Hue as OC....Lombardi and TD scouting, Ozzie Newsome as GM Hurry_Up_And_Buy, falconidae, jas82487 and 2 others like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 3 26 minutes ago, athell said: If Carpenter starts along with Matthews/Mack/Lindstrom and McGary we will be the first oline in NFL history to start 1st round picks all down the line. That would be cool....until the first sack happens or the first tackle for loss is given up and then the 8594 threads about how bad the o line is will commence Flying Falcon, athell, JDaveG and 2 others like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites