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The Colts 2018 Experiment of drafting an OG (Quentin Nelson) with 6th and OG (Braden Smith) with the 37th pick in the draft and starting them both went extremely well.

Rookie Quentin Nelson made First team All Pro and 2nd rounder Braden Smith, with short 32.5” arms(shorter than McGarys) graded out solid starting at RT. So what were draft reports saying about these two? 

Quentin Nelson

Overview

Elite guard prospect with outstanding size, rare power and a block finisher who can make tape room sessions uncomfortable for most opponents. Nelson is technically sound and is unlikely to face a long adjustment period once he gets into the league. Nelson may need to make sure and keep his play speed high and prevent against taking his eyes off of his target when coming off the ball. Nelson has the traits and talent to become an All-Pro guard for years to come.

Weaknesses
  • Has a tendency to drop his head into contact in front of him
  • Will lose sight of his target and whiff against slanting, arm-over specialists
  • Was on the ground more than he should be against Wake Forest defensive tackles looking to shoot gaps
  • Has a slight hitch when coming out of his stance as a pull blocker
  • Lingers on secure blocks a fraction too long before moving up to linebackers
  • May have to expedite his pace against NFL defenses
  • Still room for improvement in pass protection and keeping athletic rushers centered
  • Has had some injury concerns over the years

 

Braden Smith
Overview
Braden Smith has an NFL-ready frame and will impress evaluators with the eyeball test. When the eyeballs are focused on the tape, they will see a player who is more than capable of matching power with power, but can be too regimented in his movement and overall play. Smith is a grinder whose play could vary greatly based upon the matchup across from him. He has size and power, but the holes in his game are unlikely to be patched up with coaching. He can become an average to solid starter.
 
Weaknesses
  • Plays at a slower pace than you would like
  • Eyes need to be quicker
  • Delayed in seeing and picking up twists
  • Lacks responsive feet to slide and catch blitzers and counter rush moves
  • Allows rushers to get into his frame
  • Power zone is narrow affecting balance
  • Doesn't have reactive athleticism to mirror opponents movements and keep blocks centered
  • Has a major hitch coming out of his stance when asked to pull
  • Needs to play faster with hands
  • Tardy second level climber
  • Plays robotic and top-heavy at times

 

 

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So the draft profiles were high on Nelson as they are Lindstrom this year, and were poking a bunch of holes in Braden Smith, short arms etc, but he started at RT and played well. 

Id say on whole Nelson was higher prospect than Lindstrom, but McGary higher prospect than Smith. 

It’s quite possible these well developed rookie OL that still need work on technique can start and play at a high level. The certainly did last year in Indy.

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46 minutes ago, Tim Mazetti said:

Well done. These new guys are going to be fun to watch.

I’ll tell, you what Tim, watching Lindstrom, his feet, his technique, his athleticism......I think he’s going to quickly play at a very high level for us this year. Charlie Casserly  said he thinks Lindstrom will be an all pro. 

And it looks to me McGary has far less holes in his game coming into NFL than Braden Smith had and Braden played well starting at RT. He even moved over from OG where he played in college. 

Yep...l.this is going to be a lot of fun to watch!

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1 hour ago, gazoo said:

The Colts 2018 Experiment of drafting an OG (Quentin Nelson) with 6th and OG (Braden Smith) with the 37th pick in the draft and starting them both went extremely well.

Rookie Quentin Nelson made First team All Pro and 2nd rounder Braden Smith, with short 32.5” arms(shorter than McGarys) graded out solid starting at RT. So what were draft reports saying about these two? 

Quentin Nelson

Overview

Elite guard prospect with outstanding size, rare power and a block finisher who can make tape room sessions uncomfortable for most opponents. Nelson is technically sound and is unlikely to face a long adjustment period once he gets into the league. Nelson may need to make sure and keep his play speed high and prevent against taking his eyes off of his target when coming off the ball. Nelson has the traits and talent to become an All-Pro guard for years to come.

Weaknesses
  • Has a tendency to drop his head into contact in front of him
  • Will lose sight of his target and whiff against slanting, arm-over specialists
  • Was on the ground more than he should be against Wake Forest defensive tackles looking to shoot gaps
  • Has a slight hitch when coming out of his stance as a pull blocker
  • Lingers on secure blocks a fraction too long before moving up to linebackers
  • May have to expedite his pace against NFL defenses
  • Still room for improvement in pass protection and keeping athletic rushers centered
  • Has had some injury concerns over the years

 

Braden Smith
Overview
Braden Smith has an NFL-ready frame and will impress evaluators with the eyeball test. When the eyeballs are focused on the tape, they will see a player who is more than capable of matching power with power, but can be too regimented in his movement and overall play. Smith is a grinder whose play could vary greatly based upon the matchup across from him. He has size and power, but the holes in his game are unlikely to be patched up with coaching. He can become an average to solid starter.
 
Weaknesses
  • Plays at a slower pace than you would like
  • Eyes need to be quicker
  • Delayed in seeing and picking up twists
  • Lacks responsive feet to slide and catch blitzers and counter rush moves
  • Allows rushers to get into his frame
  • Power zone is narrow affecting balance
  • Doesn't have reactive athleticism to mirror opponents movements and keep blocks centered
  • Has a major hitch coming out of his stance when asked to pull
  • Needs to play faster with hands
  • Tardy second level climber
  • Plays robotic and top-heavy at times

 

 

Can you include colts fans whining about them? 

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This is a great way to look at things at this point - we haven’t seen Lindstrom and McGary even have a practice yet. It also shows why we should place limited importance on pre draft analysts. Nelson was rated quite a bit higher - the type of guard prospect that comes along once every few years. His rookie season showed that. I do think that Lindstrom has  what it takes to be an all pro but will take a couple of years because he is not as physically mature as Nelson was at the same stage. He’s going to have some growing pains especially with head to head power guys. McGary looks like a better prospect than Smith - more power and better balance and explosion - and likely will have a better career. 

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1 hour ago, gazoo said:

So the draft profiles were high on Nelson as they are Lindstrom this year, and were poking a bunch of holes in Braden Smith, short arms etc, but he started at RT and played well. 

Id say on whole Nelson was higher prospect than Lindstrom, but McGary higher prospect than Smith. 

It’s quite possible these well developed rookie OL that still need work on technique can start and play at a high level. The certainly did last year in Indy.

I get what you’re saying, but Lindstrom isn’t the generational prospect Nelson was.  

And the Colts masked their weaknesses by employing 6 OL sets.  Perhaps we do that with Ty and Kaleb our wide in a Fant package.  But it effects the passing game

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16 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

I get what you’re saying, but Lindstrom isn’t the generational prospect Nelson was.  

And the Colts masked their weaknesses by employing 6 OL sets.  Perhaps we do that with Ty and Kaleb our wide in a Fant package.  But it effects the passing game

No question Nelson rated higher which is why he went at 6. 

The Colts weaknesses had nothing to do with the two rookies though. The point of this thread was to show others that even the best OL in draft have weaknesses and areas they need to work on. Doesn’t mean they can’t play at a high level as a rookie.

In fact, Braden Smith was considered a late 2nd or 3rd round pick and his report says he had issues coaching couldn’t cover up. Yet he moved from OG to RT in NFL and played at a high level. He graded our well.

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26 minutes ago, EpicBird said:

This is a great way to look at things at this point - we haven’t seen Lindstrom and McGary even have a practice yet. It also shows why we should place limited importance on pre draft analysts. Nelson was rated quite a bit higher - the type of guard prospect that comes along once every few years. His rookie season showed that. I do think that Lindstrom has  what it takes to be an all pro but will take a couple of years because he is not as physically mature as Nelson was at the same stage. He’s going to have some growing pains especially with head to head power guys. McGary looks like a better prospect than Smith - more power and better balance and explosion - and likely will have a better career. 

Agree with everything you said, except don’t forget how many games Lindstrom played in college. Him and McGary have a boatload of experience coming into NFL from play8mg so many games.

I think Lindstrom wil, acclimate quickly TBHWY.

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Lindstrom I'm almost certain starts day 1. McGary might take longer, but it's not like he's got to beat out an entrenched starter and I like Ty.

My bet is they're both starting by the end of the year. I would be more inclined to play Lindstrom at LG, between Mack and Matthews and so that we don't have the entire right slide of the line maned by rookies. Nelson and Braden Smith played LG and RT respectively.

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Really good point, fans just hate it cause it wasn't the "sexy" pick. They wanted a shiny new pass rusher. But I liked the moves, Lindstrom looks like a technician and can be physically imposing at times and McGary looked really good against Ohio St and Auburn, he plays with a physical mindset and literally wants to rip your head-off. I've missed those kind of OL here, I really hope we can shut up Cam Jordan and company, it's annoying to see him beat the brakes off our whole right side when he plays us. 

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If the coaching staff does their job, it won't matter if there are two rookies starting on our line or even side-by-side.  The best players should be on the field and they should have that figured out by start of season.  I don't care how long they've been around, when they got drafted, how much money they make or what they use to be.  PUT THE BEST MAN ON THE FIELD.

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8 minutes ago, FentayeJones said:

Its definitley realistic. One thing about Linsdtom and McGary - they have both played a lot of football. McGary has 42 starts and Linsdtrom has 47.  

I believe this is key. Braden Smith started 41 games, started 14 games at RG in 2017.  

Smith was considered a late 2nd to 3rd round pick, but Colts snagged him at #37.  His draft reports had several holes in his game, short arms, suggesting there were some weaknesses coaching couldn’t cover up.

Indy fans were furious Colts “overdrafted” an OL with so many questions marks.

Yet, Smith came in as a rookie with all kinds of weaknesses in his game, was moved over as the starting RT as a rookie, and played at a high level. 

 

 

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