Are We Really Going To Start Allen Over Kazee?

[FalconAge 2,632]

I love Ricardo Allen. Great character, great story, complete role model. By all accounts great teammate as well. Inlove his high football i.q. and the film study sessions he hosts.

That said....Kazee is a baller.

Dude has physical ability to cover ground that Allen just can't and has ball skills like we haven't seen since Prime. Seven picks in your first year starting is no fluke.

Allen has the knowledge to be positioned correctly mostly, and he can limit certain big plays, but Kazee has the ability to take the game away from the offense, so we can get Matt, Julio and Ridley back on the field.

Plenty of you like Kazee at NB, but he won't have as much of an opportunity to sit back and read the QB doing that. 

While he wasn't perfect as a rookie, his mistakes can be cut down as he grows into the role.

So if you were Quinn, which guy do you go with?

The savvy vet or the young playmaker?

One can manage the game for you, the other can turn it upside down.

Edited April 30 by FalconAge

[Geneaut 3,704]

If you have Kazee at NB you still have him on the field for a majority of plays. 

[TheFatboi 25,952]

2 minutes ago, FalconAge said:

I love Ricardo Allen. Great character, great story, complete role model. By all accounts great teammate as well. Inlove his high football i.q. and the film study sessions he hosts.

That said....Kazee is a baller.

Dude has physical ability to cover ground that Allen just can't and has ball skills like we haven't seen since Prime. Seven picks in your first year starting is no fluke.

Allen has the knowledge to be positioned correctly mostly, and he can limit certain big plays, but Kazee has the ability to take the game away from the offense, so we can get Matt, Julio and Ridley back on the field.

Plenty of you like Kazee at NB, but he won't have as much of an opportunity to sit back and read the QB doing that. 

While he wasn't perfect as a rookie, his mistakes can be cut down as he grows into the role.

So if you were Quinn, which guy do you go with?

The savvy vet or the young playmaker?

One can manage the game for you, the other can turn it upside down.

You go with Allen. 

[ya_boi_j 41,779]

3 minutes ago, Geneaut said:

If you have Kazee at NB you still have him on the field for a majority of plays. 

I love Kazee's ball hawk skills but I don't think he would make it as the Nickel back. I don't think he's that good in coverage. you have to be skilled to play inside.

[droopy1592 6,698]

2 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

I love Kazee's ball hawk skills but I don't think he would make it as the Nickel back. I don't think he's that good in coverage. you have to be skilled to play inside.

He played some last year and did fine. Even alternated with Allen for FS and NB. 

[TheFatboi 25,952]

1 minute ago, ya_boi_j said:

I love Kazee's ball hawk skills but I don't think he would make it as the Nickel back. I don't think he's that good in coverage. you have to be skilled to play inside.

He played inside as a rookie. He played dime a good bit. And did well. Played nickel if Poole ever came out of the game for a play or two did well. It won’t be his first time at the rodeo playing inside. Plus he’s quick twitch which is a must to play inside. 

[E. T. 4,246]

I'm going with Allen, but that's not to say Kazee won't get his opportunities. Wish all of them can be on the field at the same time.

[TheFatboi 25,952]

Just now, droopy1592 said:

He played some last year and did fine. Even alternated with Allen for FS and NB. 

He played inside his rookie year too so he’s already been primed for it. 

[ya_boi_j 41,779]

Just now, TheFatboi said:

He played inside as a rookie. He played dime a good bit. And did well. Played nickel if Poole ever came out of the game for a play or two did well. It won’t be his first time at the rodeo playing inside. Plus he’s quick twitch which is a must to play inside. 

My memory is short. So much transpired last year on defense I can't remember

[TheFatboi 25,952]

Just now, ya_boi_j said:

My memory is short. So much transpired last year on defense I can't remember

I know right? Big facts!!  Made his rookie year a distant memory. 

[ya_boi_j 41,779]

Just now, TheFatboi said:

I know right? Big facts!!  Made his rookie year a distant memory. 

**** sho does.

[djbrough 247]

Put Rico at NB. He's done it well before. Leave Kazee alone, and let him be the FS. When you find a shoe that fits well, wear it out.

[falcons007 13,693]

Allen at FS. Falcons gave up too many big plays, you don’t want the last line of defense gambling for picks. 

Kazee would make a great NB, he can gamble underneath and make more plays with out giving up big plays. Kazee was worst tackler in nfl among FS last year.

DQ said the team went from giving up least number of big plays in 2017 to one of the worst in 2018. 

[Statick 10,848]

7 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

My memory is short. So much transpired last year on defense I can't remember

We lost Neal, then Debo and when Allen went out, I was in a funk for two weeks afterward.

[FalconAge 2,632]

Just now, djbrough said:

Put Rico at NB. He's done it well before. Leave Kazee alone, and let him be the FS. When you find a shoe that fits well, wear it out.

Unless you have a probowler ahead of him, I don't see how you push out a guy from a position where he scored 7 picks in his first year as a starter.

My mind is blown by this thread. If any other team did this, I would be asking for us to trade for that guy with the 7 picks.

[Ezekiel 25:17 11,412]

16 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

I love Kazee's ball hawk skills but I don't think he would make it as the Nickel back. I don't think he's that good in coverage. you have to be skilled to play inside.

See, this is why I am torn. I think BOTH guys are better at FS Than they are at Nickle.

They both give you something different but needed at Safety( one knowledge the other length). 

If Allen comes back as the same player as he use to be I don’t know which one I favor TBH.

[NWFALCON 1,041]

KAzee wants to play CB. I think that may be a factor in the decision. Of course, DQ can over rule that but It sounds like he wants to be accommodating. 

[TheFatboi 25,952]

3 minutes ago, FalconAge said:

Unless you have a probowler ahead of him, I don't see how you push out a guy from a position where he scored 7 picks in his first year as a starter.

My mind is blown by this thread. If any other team did this, I would be asking for us to trade for that guy with the 7 picks.

Because what fans don’t see or understand is qb’s like brees were killing Kazee in the seam cause he can be looked off. Can’t look Rico off. He also left his corners out to dry at times when he’s looked off. Rico never leaves his corners out to dry. Kazee doesn’t get the defense lined up in the right position like Rico. He’s just doesn’t have the experience to do it yet. He misses more tackles than Rico does as well. He allowed more yards per coverage snap than Rico. I can go on about the reasons Quinn QUICKLY said “RICO WILL BE THE STARTING FS”. All fans want is the picks but ignore the things that lead to us being 31st in 3rd down on defense. 

[TheFatboi 25,952]

2 minutes ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said:

See, this is why I am torn. I think BOTH guys are better at FS Than they are at Nickle.

They both give you something different but needed at Safety( one knowledge the other length). 

If Allen comes back as the same player as he use to be I don’t know which one I favor TBH.

Kazee can play nickel. He’ll be better than Poole. 

[djbrough 247]

8 minutes ago, FalconAge said:

Unless you have a probowler ahead of him, I don't see how you push out a guy from a position where he scored 7 picks in his first year as a starter.

My mind is blown by this thread. If any other team did this, I would be asking for us to trade for that guy with the 7 picks.

My thoughts exactly. Rico is a good player, but you leave ball hawks alone. Turnovers are king.

[1989Fan 7,318]

11 minutes ago, FalconAge said:

Unless you have a probowler ahead of him, I don't see how you push out a guy from a position where he scored 7 picks in his first year as a starter.

My mind is blown by this thread. If any other team did this, I would be asking for us to trade for that guy with the 7 picks.

I like Kazee, but those 7 picks came at a cost. Out of position quite A bit and the defense gave up significantly more big plays in the pass game.

not to say he can’t, shouldn’t improve there, but Rico is a darn fine FS and is rarely ever caught out of position.

Kazee should still get his hands on plenty of passes, and get to blitz. The team is in Nickel over 60% of the snaps after all.

[FalconsIn2020 18,305]

Let’s run more 4-2-5 Big Nickel packages to keep 3 safeties on the field

[TheFatboi 25,952]

Just now, 1989Fan said:

Like Kazee, but those 7 picks came at a cost. Out of position quite A bit and the defense gave up significantly more big plays in the pass game.

not to say he can’t, shouldn’t improve there, but Rico is a darn fine FS and is rarely ever caught out of position.

Kazee should still get his hands on plenty of passes, and get to blitz. The team is in Nickel over 60% of the snaps after all.

Bingo. It’s deeper than just raw picks. It was a lot being left on the field that he just wasn’t ready for yet. It took Rico 3 years to get where he is in the system. Kazee wasn’t going to exceed Rico in one season starting. 

[Ezekiel 25:17 11,412]

6 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

Kazee can play nickel. He’ll be better than Poole. 

I hope so and I also think that is our best option right now. (That makes us better if he is) 

Still say they are both “better” at safety though. 

[FalconsIn2020 18,305]

9 minutes ago, TheFatboi said:

Because what fans don’t see or understand is qb’s like brees were killing Kazee in the seam cause he can be looked off. Can’t look Rico off. He also left his corners out to dry at times when he’s looked off. Rico never leaves his corners out to dry. Kazee doesn’t get the defense lined up in the right position like Rico. He’s just doesn’t have the experience to do it yet. He misses more tackles than Rico does as well. He allowed more yards per coverage snap than Rico. I can go on about the reasons Quinn QUICKLY said “RICO WILL BE THE STARTING FS”. All fans want is the picks but ignore the things that lead to us being 31st in 3rd down on defense. 

This is the debate I’ve been having with @MSalmon and @athell and @Knight of God

Rico protects the seams which is essential in Quinn’s defense