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All these signings, Davison, Clayborn, Laguda, Cooper , brought in vets OT Ulrick John, DE Odum, Reynolds, DT Hageman....I’m thinking a few trade ups

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We are bringing in all kinds of vets, signing Davison, Clayborn, Laguda and Cooper just in last week.....with 9 draft picks and these recent veteran signings, we don’t have room for 9 rookies on a 53 man roster.  We just filled 3 spots this week.

The pattern I’m seeing is a possible effort to trade some picks to move up in either the first round, or perhaps trade up our 2nd rounder into top of 2nd round or even late 1st to grab two immediate quality starters. We would have a lot of the depth taken care of with vets, and I just don’t see what we would do with 9 picks now.

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15 minutes ago, GeorgiaBoyz said:

When did we sign Hageman ? 

This.

I mean I'm in, and hopeful -- I just haven't seen news of it.  But as I said in the other thread, I'm only in if he's in shape.  If he isn't, no reason to bother.  Motivation is his biggest problem.  If he isn't motivated to be in shape, why bother?

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35 minutes ago, gazoo said:

We are bringing in all kinds of vets, signing Clayborn, Laguda and Cooper just in last week.....with 9 draft picks and these recent veteran signings, we don’t have room for 9 rookies on a 53 man roster.  We just filled 3 spots this week.

The pattern I’m seeing is a possible effort to trade some picks to move up in either the first round, or perhaps trade up our 2nd rounder into top of 2nd round or even late 1st to grab two immediate quality starters. We would have a lot of the depth taken care of with vets, and I just don’t see what we would do with 9 picks now.

Gaz, I think you are spot on.   And this whole situation ticks me off.  Because the Falcons, -finally-, appear to have figured out how to draft good players.   Finally, the team has a decent number of picks to work with.   And they look like they are gonna trade away the picks we have so we can pick up one impact player.   We can do that by staying put at 14.

Some of us see this draft as an opportunity to help break the endless cycle of signing FA's every year just to be able to fill out our roster.   By drafting younger\cheaper players who have higher upside than these vets we have been giving one, two, four million and more to....veteran players who are, what they are.... and that's about it.

Even with nine picks, our draft class is expected to hit our cap for around 8 million.  Clayborn, Luke Stocker, Paulsen, and Fusco are projected to make around 10 million or more.   Does anyone think we can't find draftees at least as good as these guys, in this draft?   Who will be younger with more upside, not to mention cheaper?   I think we could.....and -still- have plenty of draft picks to spare.

That way, maybe the next time a Tevin Coleman comes available in FA, maybe we can afford to keep him....

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15 minutes ago, Knight of God said:

So this is what we do at safety. Figures.

I wish I had seen this so I could have quoted you along with Gazoo, in my rant, er, post, above....

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11 minutes ago, egoprime II said:

Gaz, I think you are spot on.   And this whole situation ticks me off.  Because the Falcons, -finally-, appear to have figured out how to draft good players.   Finally, the team has a decent number of picks to work with.   And they look like they are gonna trade away the picks we have so we can pick up one impact player.   We can do that by staying put at 14.

Some of us see this draft as an opportunity to help break the endless cycle of signing FA's every year just to be able to fill out our roster.   By drafting younger\cheaper players who have higher upside than these vets we have been giving one, two, four million and more to....veteran players who are, what they are.... and that's about it.

Even with nine picks, our draft class is expected to hit our cap for around 8 million.  Clayborn, Luke Stocker, Paulsen, and Fusco are projected to make around 10 million or more.   Does anyone think we can't find draftees at least as good as these guys, in this draft?   Who will be younger with more upside, not to mention cheaper?   I think we could.....and -still- have plenty of draft picks to spare.

That way, maybe the next time a Tevin Coleman comes available in FA, maybe we can afford to keep him....

Fair honest opinion EGO.

The only thing I’ll add to this is maybe they have looked at what’s coming and decided to go that FA route.For the most part there easy deals to get out of mostly one year jobs and contracts that aren’t to exorbitant going foward.

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4 minutes ago, Knight of God said:

Brother it wouldn’t be so bad, but we sign garbage type players.

Like one old GM once said when FA first started:  "There's a reason these guys are available".

The draft is -the- one and only way, to find the best talent.  Then you have to have a coaching staff that can nurture that talent to its fullest.

Are these guys we signed this week, going to help us win?  Adrian Clayborn is 31 years old.  He has been available in FA for awhile now.  We just released Ryan Schraeder because his play fell off a cliff.  Ryan....was 31 years old.

Who knows, what Adrian will or won't do?  Me I kinda like the idea of drafting a DE in the 3rd or 4rth round, someone who might surprise us....or at least be depth for the next four years.   So that, maybe, DE isn't so much of a need next year?

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Its obvious we.are.moving in the draft and Oliver is likely not the only target. Either Williams's are targets.

Move up in first, move back in 2nd.

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8 minutes ago, Knight of God said:

Brother it wouldn’t be so bad, but we sign garbage type players.

Here's our 2019 Pre-Draft Free Agency class so far bro:

  • Adrian Clayborn
  • Jamon Brown
  • James Carpenter
  • Luke Stocker
  • Kenjon Barner
  • Adam Gettis
  • Afolabi Laguda
  • Chris Cooper

Oh boy. And TATF thinks we've filled our holes. Scary.

 

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9 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

Fair honest opinion EGO.

The only thing I’ll add to this is maybe they have looked at what’s coming and decided to go that FA route.For the most part there easy deals to get out of mostly one year jobs and contracts that aren’t to exorbitant going foward.

Yes, lots of relatively cheap deals when you consider the costs in FA.   The Falcons strategy is a 'win now' strategy.  Get players you know, instead of taking a risk on a bunch of rookies.   The cost?  Lack of quality depth.....which bit us in the *** last year, and even the Super Bowl.

The draft hasn't happened yet so maybe our FO still plans to use our picks, have some real competition in camp?  I'm going to stay hopeful...

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9 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Here's our 2019 Pre-Draft Free Agency class so far bro:

  • Adrian Clayborn
  • Jamon Brown
  • James Carpenter
  • Luke Stocker
  • Kenjon Barner
  • Adam Gettis
  • Afolabi Laguda
  • Chris Cooper

Oh boy. And TATF thinks we've filled our holes. Scary.

 

Being honest, if every single one of them were in line with me at Publix, I wouldn’t know a single one by face or name outside Clayborne 

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18 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Being honest, if every single one of them were in line with me at Publix, I wouldn’t know a single one by face or name outside Clayborne 

Bro. I'm working on bust nics already. And we probably spent $13M on em, in addition to Beasley's $13M. Like Kiwi continually says, Quinn better coach up some rooks and scrubs this year. This is Dimi's follow up to cutting Alf, Teco, Levitre, Shredder, Bryant, Shelby and Garland. Better nail this draft.

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36 minutes ago, egoprime II said:

Gaz, I think you are spot on.   And this whole situation ticks me off.  Because the Falcons, -finally-, appear to have figured out how to draft good players.   Finally, the team has a decent number of picks to work with.   And they look like they are gonna trade away the picks we have so we can pick up one impact player.   We can do that by staying put at 14.

Some of us see this draft as an opportunity to help break the endless cycle of signing FA's every year just to be able to fill out our roster.   By drafting younger\cheaper players who have higher upside than these vets we have been giving one, two, four million and more to....veteran players who are, what they are.... and that's about it.

Even with nine picks, our draft class is expected to hit our cap for around 8 million.  Clayborn, Luke Stocker, Paulsen, and Fusco are projected to make around 10 million or more.   Does anyone think we can't find draftees at least as good as these guys, in this draft?   Who will be younger with more upside, not to mention cheaper?   I think we could.....and -still- have plenty of draft picks to spare.

That way, maybe the next time a Tevin Coleman comes available in FA, maybe we can afford to keep him....

What the Falcons have done, except for guard, is sign quality depth. Well, Stocker and Paulsen are there to help the RT, whether that's Ty or a rookie. They set themselves up so that they don't have to take any one position. They're actually in a great place to just let the draft come to them.

The rumor about Atlanta/Detroit trade is just that, a rumor, based, probably on TD's history with the Julio trade. GMs talk trades before the draft to see what's possible, someone reported this one because it's TD and it's slow in the NFL until the draft gets here. And, if the trade is the one presented in the rumor, Falcons would still have 8 picks in the draft.

They may just be positioning themselves so that, whoever falls to 14, they can take. Several vets like the ones you mentioned may not make it through TC if their younger cheaper replacements are drafted.

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I dont think it means much tbh... If you have holes you fill them asap and hope later on you are in a position where they become expendable ... It would be stupid going into the draft with holes and the not being able to fill them with the players you want then turn around and everyone is gone from FA

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27 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Being honest, if every single one of them were in line with me at Publix, I wouldn’t know a single one by face or name outside Clayborne 

I get what you're saying but that's a silly way to look at it. I bet you wouldn't recognize half the NFL starting players by face unless they are a superstar.

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5 minutes ago, Yo_Lover said:

I get what you're saying but that's a silly way to look at it. I bet you wouldn't recognize half the NFL starting players by face unless they are a superstar.

Of course you are correct...just sounds funny

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3 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Of course you are correct...just sounds funny

The best comp I've seen for Oliver is William Perry's little brother.

Michael Dean Perry.

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Dan Quinn knows he doesn't have time to develop draft picks if he doesn't win this year.. A losing season with a strong offensive performance will lead to his dismissal.. The next head coach already on the staff at the ready

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1 hour ago, egoprime II said:

Like one old GM once said when FA first started:  "There's a reason these guys are available".

The draft is -the- one and only way, to find the best talent.  Then you have to have a coaching staff that can nurture that talent to its fullest.

Are these guys we signed this week, going to help us win?  Adrian Clayborn is 31 years old.  He has been available in FA for awhile now.  We just released Ryan Schraeder because his play fell off a cliff.  Ryan....was 31 years old.

Who knows, what Adrian will or won't do?  Me I kinda like the idea of drafting a DE in the 3rd or 4rth round, someone who might surprise us....or at least be depth for the next four years.   So that, maybe, DE isn't so much of a need next year?

Not the only way, but it is the preferred way.

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1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Here's our 2019 Pre-Draft Free Agency class so far bro:

  • Adrian Clayborn
  • Jamon Brown
  • James Carpenter
  • Luke Stocker
  • Kenjon Barner
  • Adam Gettis
  • Afolabi Laguda
  • Chris Cooper

Oh boy. And TATF thinks we've filled our holes. Scary.

 

I’m glad I’m not the only one. Well, I need rest. I’m going to get that rest one way or another.

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1 hour ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Being honest, if every single one of them were in line with me at Publix, I wouldn’t know a single one by face or name outside Clayborne 

sad off season so far 

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