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Ryan - You Have to Wonder If Even a Super Bowl Ring Will Ever Get Him Respect?

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CBS Sports has released a new set of QB "rankings" that is actually a tiering of them.  I could agree with Ryan being put in a second tier if the first tier was reserved for QB's who have played multiple years and have multiple rings and/or MVP's to back them up.  I also would suggest that tiering system look beyond the playing field in many cases and the impact it has on a team.

Aaron Rodgers is being told by his owner now that "he has to respect his new Head Coach" - the guy basically just ran off his prior head coach and has not exactly been great in recent years.

Andrew Luck - a great QB but what has he really accomplished yet other than Comeback Player of the Year?

Baker Mayfield - already equivalent to Ryan's status?  Would anybody trade Ryan right now for him?

Deshaun Watson/Patrick Mahomes - players can have great seasons but are a few years really needed to be top tier?

Cam Newton - a QB who can run but is he really that great? is CBS just not willing to admit they may have been wrong for the past few years?

Russell Wilson - just lucky to have had a good defense behind him for a few years?

Philip Rivers - do they just want to always think of him and Ryan as a twin sob stories that must go together?

Carson Wentz - how can a tier 1 not even get a mention him in Tier 2 this year - bad judgment?

 

And, I love how they start the Tier 1 section with "reserved for men who have won MVP's and rings" - do they forget that Ryan did?  Few QB's in this league can be looked at as great a team player on and off the field as Ryan.  Many would have pitched a fit with as many coaching changes he has dealt with, as bad of pass protection he has lived with, as pitiful of defenses on his team as he has lived with, and as little respect he has received from the national press.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2019-nfl-qb-tiers-whos-a-franchise-guy-a-rising-star-a-place-holder-heres-where-your-starter-ranks/

Tier 1: Bona Fide Franchise Quarterbacks

2017: Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Cam Newton
2018: Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Brees, Roethlisberger, Newton, Carson Wentz
2019: Rodgers, Brady, Wilson, Brees, Roethlisberger, Newton, Patrick Mahomes, Andrew Luck

This is the highest of terrain, reserved for men who have won MVPs and rings, or, in several cases, both. It isn't easy to crack, but Mahomes, throwing 50 touchdowns passes in what amounts to his rookie season and nearly slaying the Pats to get to the Super Bowl, um, yeah, that will qualify. Wentz drops down, with injuries slowing his ascent, though I could see him right back here in 2020. I believe Newton will have a bounce-back season as well: I like the assemblage of talent around him and a second year with Norv Turner will produce some big things in Carolina, says here. It's time for Rodgers to start playing week in and week out like an MVP, too, and we'll see how his relationship develops with novice head coach Matt LaFleur. Luck has been destined for this tier for a while, and with the way he played last year, after missing so much time to serious injury and worrying if he'd ever make it back, I suspect that by January no one is arguing against him being in the top eight passers on the planet.

Tier 2: Top Pros, Proven Winners

2017: Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Derek Carr, Matt Stafford, Tony Romo
2018: Ryan, Rivers, Stafford, Kirk Cousins
2019: Ryan, Rivers, Baker Mayfield, Deshaun Watson

I am still kicking myself for going against my gut and putting Manning in this slot two years ago. Belonged way down. Anywho, Ryan and Rivers speak for themselves, and normally a guy like Mayfield would probably be in Tier 3 after less than a season under center. But he won, regularly, with a Browns team that had not won anything for like two years, and he did it despite Hue Jackson still being the head coach at the time. The kid will be Tier 1 next spring and I came **** close to putting him there today. Watson bounced back with aplomb from an ACL tear, and maybe this year the Texans will actually start protecting him from getting pummeled most weekends. Might be a novel approach, with J.J. Watt not getting any younger and this kid being the franchise and all.

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There isn’t a QB on any of those lists that I would trade Ryan for right now.

Brees is almost out of gas 

Rodgers is always hurt and not a team leader 

Big Ben hasn’t done anything in a decade 

Luck has to show he can stay healthy

There is now tape on Maholmes and the league will adjust 

Cam - LOL 

The only 2 even close to trade worthy are Wilson and Brady. 

Brady is almost done though and could he win with us and without BB? I’m not so sure. 

Wilson is about the same with more mobility, so I’d rather just keept Ryan. 

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Im no Matt Ryan lover but after 28-3 my outlook changed on him . I wish he was more vocal when bum azzz coaches put him or the team in situations like 28-3 cause he has all the tools. That’s my only gripe especially after seeing Nick Foles call his own number in the SB . 

The only QBs I’d take over him are RW, Mahomes & Wentz . 

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lol yall worry too much about other people’s opinions ,you’re just proving their point by getting mad. It’s the same people that said “i could care less what other people say”. But anyway to me Ryan is A little above tier 2 getting up to first tier.

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Anyone can write an article.  LaConfora is obviously out of touch with reality.  When I saw Cam Newton there I read not one word further.  For every one, inaccurate article written like this one, there’ll be 10 that are closer to the mark.  But of course this board pays too much attention to the brain dead drones in the sports media.

LMAO off at LaConfora :lol:

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1 hour ago, NeonDeion said:

There isn’t a QB on any of those lists that I would trade Ryan for right now.

Brees is almost out of gas 

Rodgers is always hurt and not a team leader 

Big Ben hasn’t done anything in a decade 

Luck has to show he can stay healthy

There is now tape on Maholmes and the league will adjust 

Cam - LOL 

The only 2 even close to trade worthy are Wilson and Brady. 

Brady is almost done though and could he win with us and without BB? I’m not so sure. 

Wilson is about the same with more mobility, so I’d rather just keept Ryan. 

I would take a chance with Maholmes.

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I was thinking about this the other day.  While there are some QBs that are truly "elite" (Brady, Rodgers,  Brees) they are also towards the end of their careers.  Big Ben is wavering about continuing his career almost every season recently,  but I don't think of him as truly elite.  I would put Ryan in the same boat as Ben. If you asked me to talk the top 10 QBs in the league, Ryan would objectively be in the top 6-7. 

The article listed Luck as tier 1, and that's just not right to me. The guy is a "injury bust" in my opinion.  Sure,  WHEN HE'S HEALTHY,  he is a pretty good QB, but I think he's been overhyped since college.  

Really?  Cam? Really?  He's a physical specimen that plays QB, but he's more of that athlete that we all had on our high school teams that could play anywhere.  While that's impressive enough,  he is not that great of a QB.

Wilson is highly overrated due to what his TEAM did in the first few years of his career.  He's not a game changer,  but he also won't lose you games.  

Mahomes has to duplicate what he did this past season,  but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.  

To me,  it's: 

Brady

Brees

Rodgers

Ben

Ryan

Mahomes 

Rivers

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24 minutes ago, cable hound said:

I would take a chance with Maholmes.

Nah one year man. The league adjusts very well. Carr sucks now. They will adjust to Baker. And LJax. The league adjusted to Kapernick wayyyy before the kneeling thing and relegated him to a backup. They adjusted to RG3.

Many QBs flame out bc the league adjusts. Maholmes could continue his dominance or not. But I’m not trading Ryan for him straight up until he repeats at least another year. 

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21 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Has Luck ever win a ring or MVP?  

No but he’s the greatest draft pick ever since Peyton Manning. 

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5 minutes ago, NeonDeion said:

Nah one year man. The league adjusts very well. Carr sucks now. They will adjust to Baker. And LJax. The league adjusted to Kapernick wayyyy before the kneeling thing and relegated him to a backup. They adjusted to RG3.

Many QBs flame out bc the league adjusts. Maholmes could continue his dominance or not. But I’m not trading Ryan for him straight up until he repeats at least another year. 

Maybe, but there was something seriously special about him and the throws he made.

That 4th down against the Ravens, no other QB in the league aside from maybe Wilson and Rodgers makes that throw.

 

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2 minutes ago, quotemokc said:

Maybe, but there was something seriously special about him and the throws he made.

That 4th down against the Ravens, no other QB in the league aside from maybe Wilson and Rodgers makes that throw.

 

Oh he’s awesome. I think he will be great. I’m just not ready to trade Ryan for him. Also, I don’t think he’ll just keep winning runaway MVPs.

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13 minutes ago, Drew4719 said:

La Confora always underrates Matt Ryan and hypes up Cam Newton. Matt is the only active MVP that’s not in tier one lol.

This. He used to slob all over Flacco too before and after the Ravens won a SB. I don't hate Cam, but he's the 3rd best QB in his own division, so how anyone puts him over Ryan (especially with his numbers) is mind-boggling.

But again we're talking about La Confora so.......

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A ring would definitely get Ryan his respect. Every time I try to defend him and say he is elite among other fans they can only bring up one arguement... 28-3. If Ryan wins that game what would the excuse be then?

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It’s friggin La canfora. Biggest ***** in the business. Look at the guy, nobody respects fantasy football boy.

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14 minutes ago, Panda said:

A ring would definitely get Ryan his respect. Every time I try to defend him and say he is elite among other fans they can only bring up one arguement... 28-3. If Ryan wins that game what would the excuse be then?

Exactly!  And it's not that Ryan threw 2 pick 6s in that game.  He was pretty **** good.  The defense (over 90 snaps)  and offensive play calling cost us that game. 

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53 minutes ago, NeonDeion said:

No but he’s the greatest draft pick ever since Peyton Manning. 

According to whom?  Brady is s better pick than both...combined.  6th round 

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4 minutes ago, CrimsonFalcon said:

Exactly!  And it's not that Ryan threw 2 pick 6s in that game.  He was pretty **** good.  The defense (over 90 snaps)  and offensive play calling cost us that game. 

Yeah Ryan having the highest qbr of any qb to lose the super bowl should say that it wasn't his fault. 

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