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I see a lot of CB's in round 2..... could be a run

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Guys like Trayvon Mullen, Rock Yasin, Julian Love, Justin Layne, Lonnie Johnson (I think he's a 3rd rd), Sean Bunting. And I believe we are in the mix for Layne or Bunting.

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4 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

I've been kinda thinking the same thing. Been telling myself round 1 will belong to OL, DL and LB while the 2nd round belongs to CB and WR.

Seems like a lot of CBs always go in first round every year 

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6 minutes ago, NeonDeion said:

Seems like a lot of CBs always go in first round every year 

just on quick glance 2 last year, 4 in 2017, 5 in 2016, 3 in 2015, 5 in 2014. What's considered a lot?

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15 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

I've been kinda thinking the same thing. Been telling myself round 1 will belong to OL, DL and LB while the 2nd round belongs to CB and WR.

I see that trend as well. I’m thinking we dip in at DB early with Alford and Poole released

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39 minutes ago, ike barn87987 said:

Guys like Trayvon Mullen, Rock Yasin, Julian Love, Justin Layne, Lonnie Johnson (I think he's a 3rd rd), Sean Bunting. And I believe we are in the mix for Layne or Bunting.

I was hoping to land Layne in the third but it's looking like that could be a pipe dream. I like him over everyone on that list but Mullen.

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6 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

I was hoping to land Layne in the third but it's looking like that could be a pipe dream. I like him over everyone on that list but Mullen.

I agree with everything you said except I like him over Mullen as well.

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23 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

just on quick glance 2 last year, 4 in 2017, 5 in 2016, 3 in 2015, 5 in 2014. What's considered a lot?

4-5 seems like a lot to me. But there’s no real measure 

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1 hour ago, NeonDeion said:

4-5 seems like a lot to me. But there’s no real measure 

Well let's see if we can build a measure.

Broken down, football positions are in general (correct me if I'm wrong)

DL...LB...S...CB...K...P (I went with safety and corner because they are played very differently and obviously not interchangeable...except in special circumstances). 

OL...QB...RB...TE...WR

So, that's eleven different classifications spread out to be drafted.  Mathematically, if all 32 teams draft in each round, and the positions as listed above were picked on an equal rotation, you would have each position being picked right at 3 times per round...(32 / 11 = 2.91, round up to 3)

So based on this, if three of the same position are taken per round, that's not a lot.  4 would be a little above the average, so let's say if 5 or more of any position are taken in any round...that's "a lot".

I hope this helps us all unite and live together in peace. 

 

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9 minutes ago, octoslash said:

Well let's see if we can build a measure.

Broken down, football positions are in general (correct me if I'm wrong)

DL...LB...S...CB...K...P (I went with safety and corner because they are played very differently and obviously not interchangeable...except in special circumstances). 

OL...QB...RB...TE...WR

So, that's eleven different classifications spread out to be drafted.  Mathematically, if all 32 teams draft in each round, and the positions as listed above were picked on an equal rotation, you would have each position being picked right at 3 times per round...(32 / 11 = 2.91, round up to 3)

So based on this, if three of the same position are taken per round, that's not a lot.  4 would be a little above the average, so let's say if 5 or more of any position are taken in any round...that's "a lot".

I hope this helps us all unite and live together in peace

 

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14 minutes ago, octoslash said:

Well let's see if we can build a measure.

Broken down, football positions are in general (correct me if I'm wrong)

DL...LB...S...CB...K...P (I went with safety and corner because they are played very differently and obviously not interchangeable...except in special circumstances). 

OL...QB...RB...TE...WR

So, that's eleven different classifications spread out to be drafted.  Mathematically, if all 32 teams draft in each round, and the positions as listed above were picked on an equal rotation, you would have each position being picked right at 3 times per round...(32 / 11 = 2.91, round up to 3)

So based on this, if three of the same position are taken per round, that's not a lot.  4 would be a little above the average, so let's say if 5 or more of any position are taken in any round...that's "a lot".

I hope this helps us all unite and live together in peace. 

 

I really like this, but I think you have to break down the positions further - OL aren’t all valued the same. So, you gotta separate - OT, G, C 

And for DL - DE and DT

That goes from 11 positions to 14 but then you can subtract positions that almost never have first rounders which is K and P. To get back to 12. 32/12 = 2.61 

In that case, 3 would be slightly above average, 4 would be a lot, and 5 would definitely be a lot. So last year was just 2 CBs, but before that there were a lot of round 1 CBs just like it felt to me. 

Final point - if there’s gonna be a run on CBs in the 2nd round since there’s a bunch of talent, it wouldn’t surprise me to see that run bumped up to the end of the 1st. 

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I didn't feel this way a month ago, but now I would rather see a really good CB picked at #14 than a good D lineman, because we're begging for trouble at corner right now...in my opinion.  From what I've heard we can get a good D lineman anywhere all the way through the second round. 

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14 minutes ago, octoslash said:

I didn't feel this way a month ago, but now I would rather see a really good CB picked at #14 than a good D lineman, because we're begging for trouble at corner right now...in my opinion.  From what I've heard we can get a good D lineman anywhere all the way through the second round. 

How are we begging for trouble? We wouldn’t have let Rocky go if that was the case. 

#14 won’t start for years - Tru and Oliver already locked in on the outside for years and Kazee will man the inside 

Wilson is one of the best backups we have at any position. 

I really don’t understand why anyone is concerned at CB. 

Not to mention 1 stud DT can make all CBs look better but 1 CB can’t make our DTs look better. 

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4 minutes ago, vel said:

Exactly why I don't want to lose #45. Perfect spot to get another starter or high tier guy for the future. Our CB depth is very thin and that spot is prime for taking a fringe first round CB. 

Who do you like for CB

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4 minutes ago, NeonDeion said:

How are we begging for trouble? We wouldn’t have let Rocky go if that was the case. 

#14 won’t start for years - Tru and Oliver already locked in on the outside for years and Kazee will man the inside 

Wilson is one of the best backups we have at any position. 

I really don’t understand why anyone is concerned at CB. 

Not to mention 1 stud DT can make all CBs look better but 1 CB can’t make our DTs look better. 

What about the DE's :sigh:

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7 minutes ago, NeonDeion said:

How are we begging for trouble? We wouldn’t have let Rocky go if that was the case. 

#14 won’t start for years - Tru and Oliver already locked in on the outside for years and Kazee will man the inside 

Wilson is one of the best backups we have at any position. 

I really don’t understand why anyone is concerned at CB. 

Depth and talent is the trouble.  Other than lacking those, we're fine!  

Tru is the best we have and he's looked bad recently, hates contact and gets burned too often.  And frankly I don't believe Oliver is good enough...yet.  So after Tru all we have is a handful of backups.  That concerns me.    Wilson is good but that's just not enough talent in my opinion. 

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The value of cornerbacks is limited without a superior defensive line. If you cannot stop the run and rush the passer, there is not a lot of practical difference between having a Deion Sanders and a Desmond Trufant. Fix the line and the cornerback situation gets better.

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24 minutes ago, ike barn87987 said:

Who do you like for CB

Oruwariye
Baker
Love
Jackson

DB? 

Adderley
Thornhill
Savage
Hooker
Rapp
Redwine

I dislike this CB class in terms of true corners, but I like the DB class in terms of guys who can play nickel, safety, box. 

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This could go either way.  We almost certainly will be drafting a CB, and we may get one near top, we also have had great success snagging guys late. Kazee was a diamond in rough, and Brian Poole played all 16 games as a rookie if I’m not mistak

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Posted (edited)

25 minutes ago, octoslash said:

Depth and talent is the trouble.  Other than lacking those, we're fine!  

Tru is the best we have and he's looked bad recently, hates contact and gets burned too often.  And frankly I don't believe Oliver is good enough...yet.  So after Tru all we have is a handful of backups.  That concerns me.    Wilson is good but that's just not enough talent in my opinion. 

So you’re gonna draft a CB at #14 to start (bc if he doesn’t start that would be a total waste). 

So who goes to the bench? Oliver or Tru? 

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31 minutes ago, octoslash said:

Depth and talent is the trouble.  Other than lacking those, we're fine!  

Tru is the best we have and he's looked bad recently, hates contact and gets burned too often.  And frankly I don't believe Oliver is good enough...yet.  So after Tru all we have is a handful of backups.  That concerns me.    Wilson is good but that's just not enough talent in my opinion. 

I thought Tru struggled right after the Allen/Neal injuries but he ended the season strong.

Oliver look good in limited time and Quinn already said he’s going to be starting this year. 

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