Knight of God

My Favorite Wide Receiver In This Draft

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51 minutes ago, Knight of God said:

I don’t like him, white WRs are slow.

thats all I’m getting.

Sadly true.

i like the body control this led shows. Plenty of faster wrs don’t have that. He’s fearless as well. Plus I’m not a Grier fan, a QB like Matt could feed this kid. A good looking prospect. And the “slow forty” detractors kill me. 4.57 is 1/10 of a second off from a 4.47 forty. This kid plays 4.57 in pads.

id rather him than hardeman 

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10 hours ago, Knight of God said:

He reminds me of Michael Jenkins

I always felt MJ12 got a bum rap with Falcon's fans. He was the 7th WR taken in his draft ( which included Larry Fitz ), and for the most part, he's about the 7th best WR out of that pack of guys career-wise.

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I'm still surprised jazz Ferguson isn't getting more love. I do like sills tho. Just prefer jazz. 

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2 hours ago, Knight of God said:

I don’t like him, white WRs are slow.

thats all I’m getting.

There are some pretty decent “White Boy Rick’s” playing receiver in the NFL now and in the past. 

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12 hours ago, Knight of God said:

He reminds me of Michael Jenkins

Don't think of that as a positive comparison. Jenkins had good straight line speed. He also had the lateral moves of an arthritic turtle and a horrible catch to target ratio. 

Since you like Sills, I'm assuming you mean his size and straight line speed, not the arthritic turtle part.

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4 hours ago, Knight of God said:

Better route running will help him separate. A 4.57 forty isn’t slow. You can be taught to beat tight man coverage. Ridley had some ugly drops in college, I should know. 

All of those things are teachable. Now post the positives. 

It's possible route running will help him catch more if his separation and timing with QB is a bit more on point, but still the 55% catch percentage is sorta yikes. Good thing is Matt doesn't have the fastest of fast balls to make me worried about catch rate; at least as a developmental first year guy.

However, the mentioning of being terrible at contested catches doesn't bode well to me as a 'Sanu replacement' which is what many are looking for in a WR due to our roster turnover; i.e. cap needs moving forward.

Honestly, I want to see what they can turn Gage into this year, but I don't mind a 5th round flyer on a kid like this if they wanted to go WR mid-later round.

EDIT: So apparently is still a roughly new WR as he used to be a QB but got hurt and bounced between a non-FBS school after 1 year as a WR...then back to WVU for the past 2 years if I read it right. If his route running and catch rate improves after a year in the league, he could be a good red zone target with his ball skills alone. Needs separation from routes and catch rate improvement hopefully comes naturally with other areas improving/more experience as a WR in general. Timing.

Overview
Tall, thin target with below-average play strength and separation ability, but very impressive ball skills to compete when it's in the air. Sills won't see as many free releases and easy long balls on the next level. He needs to get stronger and more efficient with his press release technique and dig into the craft of route-running to make himself a more viable first- and second-level target. He should continue to improve but the transition to the pros could be challenging early on.
Strengths
  • Tall with good length
  • Has some build-up speed to surprise squatting cornerbacks
  • Continues to improve as route-runner
  • Good feel for working in space and finding soft spots
  • Leverages additional throwing space to boundary for quarterback
  • Clever creating late-catch separation through hand fighting
  • Impressive, natural ball skills
  • Body control for graceful mid-air turns and contortions
  • Elevates and high-points 50-50 balls
  • Can gear down and stack corners while tracking it deep
  • Goal-line specialist winning with slants and fades
  • Scored a touchdown once every 3.7 catches during career
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2 hours ago, Geneaut said:

I always felt MJ12 got a bum rap with Falcon's fans. He was the 7th WR taken in his draft ( which included Larry Fitz ), and for the most part, he's about the 7th best WR out of that pack of guys career-wise.

IF his catch rate was better Michael could've been so much better. He did get an unfair expectation of being Vick's weapon and then we got Roddy White. Just look at his rookie year as a 1st rounder. Targeted 20 times...7 catches. That's disappointing for any 1st round WR. :shrug: 

I think if Jenkins could've developed early in his NFL career with a better passing QB he may have had a better career.

His first few years were with DVD and then 2007 fiasco and then a young and really unpolished Matt Ryan. By then, Jenkins was Jenkins.

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Finneran was never a great receiver, but he was very useful, and a slightly faster Finn would have been a problem.  He was able to get open in short areas and use his body...if you can do that, you don't have to be that fast.  Speed is a bonus at that point.

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Lot’s to like KOG, thanks for posting up another guy I had no idea about.  

For the life of me it’s beyond my comprehension why people just cannot rise above seeing everything via skin color. But on the other hand, it’s the entire platform of one political party so I get it.

I love his length & competitiveness.  

 

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After further review of his backstory on NFL's website and the Overview/positives he isn't a bad 5th-6th round flyer at all if he truly can develop.

Easily could become a RZ target and needs more WR experience from his late-convert to that position only once he went to college; still fighting for a shot to be a QB again (injury in HS)

He has ball skills that can't be taught really. You can teach route running, improve physically, etc at the next level. So, hopefully with more time at the position his catch rate increases from experience and sheer repetition alone. Sounds like a 1 year stash/developmental.

If Gage is stepping up to active every week as the Marvin Hall replacement, this guy can take the Gage developmental year 1 roster spot if he earned it/if we go WR mid-late round again.:shrug:

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So 33 TD’s in last two years...

Say what you want about him, but where does that stack up against all other NCAA WR’s the last 2 years in comparison?

Anybody have an idea? 

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3 minutes ago, HASHBROWN3 said:

So 33 TD’s in last two years...

Say what you want about him, but where does that stack up against all other NCAA WR’s the last 2 years in comparison?

Anybody have an idea? 

While that's cool i'm sure you can agree doesn't truly mean much when it comes to the NFL. We've seen Heisman winners and record holders get into the NFL and do absolutely nothing but fall dead on their face. Chase Coffman has to be the most recognizable that played for the Falcons that I can think of. I know Hardy has the receptions record at Louisville. End of the day if the guy truly has it he has it. Just won't know until you take that gamble on him

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8 minutes ago, HASHBROWN3 said:

So 33 TD’s in last two years...

Say what you want about him, but where does that stack up against all other NCAA WR’s the last 2 years in comparison?

Anybody have an idea? 

Oh and Larry fitzgerald had 34. If you wanna really see a TD number look up Jarrett Dillard

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7 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

While that's cool i'm sure you can agree doesn't truly mean much when it comes to the NFL. We've seen Heisman winners and record holders get into the NFL and do absolutely nothing but fall dead on their face. Chase Coffman has to be the most recognizable that played for the Falcons that I can think of. I know Hardy has the receptions record at Louisville. End of the day if the guy truly has it he has it. Just won't know until you take that gamble on him

You’re absolutely correct & we’re in agreement.  Look at Jerry Rice.

It’s really hard to measure their heart & will to succeed too.  

But I am curious to know where he stacks up in that category as folks were saying he didn’t have skills to get open & such. Well I think maybe he just lucked out 33 times I’m guessing then.

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52 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

IF his catch rate was better Michael could've been so much better. He did get an unfair expectation of being Vick's weapon and then we got Roddy White. Just look at his rookie year as a 1st rounder. Targeted 20 times...7 catches. That's disappointing for any 1st round WR. :shrug: 

I think if Jenkins could've developed early in his NFL career with a better passing QB he may have had a better career.

His first few years were with DVD and then 2007 fiasco and then a young and really unpolished Matt Ryan. By then, Jenkins was Jenkins.

Yeah that catch thing wasn't just him in the early Vick years. With the exception of Crump a LOT of Falcon's guys were under 60% catch rates. Roddy didn't start beating MJ until 2009 in that stat. BTW that's not a knock on Vick but he was erratic at times, and he threw a freaking LASER - what an arm.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

Oh and Larry fitzgerald had 34. If you wanna really see a TD number look up Jarrett Dillard

60 freaking TD’s at Rice & turned in 1 TD in the NFL hah!  

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6 minutes ago, HASHBROWN3 said:

You’re absolutely correct & we’re in agreement.  Look at Jerry Rice.

It’s really hard to measure their heart & will to succeed too.  

But I am curious to know where he stacks up in that category as folks were saying he didn’t have skills to get open & such. Well I think maybe he just lucked out 33 times I’m guessing then.

That’s some hellacious luck lol

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57 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

That’s some hellacious luck lol

Lmao, dude was on a roll.  He should have been playing the lottery & hitting the casinos too!

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24 minutes ago, HASHBROWN3 said:

Lmao, dude was on a roll.  He should have been playing the lottery & hitting the casinos too!

lol

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10 minutes ago, takeitdown said:

Finneran was never a great receiver, but he was very useful, and a slightly faster Finn would have been a problem.  He was able to get open in short areas and use his body...if you can do that, you don't have to be that fast.  Speed is a bonus at that point.

Finn had decent speed when he started[4.6 range] then tore up both his knees. Shame too, Finn and HD could have made a solid WR combo.

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