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Bruce Irvin to the Panties

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10 hours ago, HASHBROWN3 said:

Bennett & Irvin

Irvin & Bennett

Blah blah blah to the point of obsession.

Sometimes this board gets too caught up in one or two posters idea of what they personally feel our team must do to become acceptable.  

But as usual it’s rarely the case.  I’m sure we have a plan in place.  I’m wide open to see how it pans out. 

I liked Irvin, but the fact he’s moving on doesn’t get me all upset to the point I feel it necessary to disparage the team.

 

Just like the cap Hash they cry at the moon because they don’t understand how it works or want it to work in accordance with what they no or think.

Instead of doing what you suggest wait and see and then judge.No it’s go off half cocked and let assumption reign then come back later with eggs on there faces argh that’s why they did that or made this pick argh that’s why......:doh:

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5 hours ago, *TMo* said:

Is Florida State's Brian Burns about the same type player as Bruce Irvin, maybe better? He would be on the rookie wage scale.

I'm weary of Burns. He's never played a snap at the weight he's at. Even though he tested well, that shooting range vs battle tested.

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13 minutes ago, mqg96 said:

That's because our offense was bailing us out and keeping us in games. Our defense did everything they could to make us lose in 2018 and we could never recover, especially early on. The Falcons had close losses, like the Eagles in week 1, Saints in week 3, Cowboys, and so forth, but we had A LOT of double digit/blowout losses as well, more than the Panthers. The Steelers in Pittsburgh and our 5 game losing streak were a disaster. Reminded me of the 2014 team when our defense couldn't stop anybody but our offense had to carry us on at times with a bad O-line. 

 

Who are we really without Matt Ryan & Julio being great together honestly? Outside of a few play makers like Deion Jones, Alex Mack or Grady Jarrett. The 2017 Eagles, whether Carson Wentz or Nick Foles was starting, they were a SOLID TEAM built perfectly inside and out to win the Super Bowl. They also didn't have big name receiver like Julio Jones. The Falcons roster is poor right now. We're just hoping to get ANYONE right now. Not even anyone good because of how low our cap is. 

Is there something you're just not understanding about our defense being gutted with injuries? MLB and both safeties will kill any and every defense. 

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44 minutes ago, mqg96 said:

to the H-E-L-L NO NO! 

 

31 minutes ago, k-train said:

I'm having a hard time seeing Falcons players buying in to a HC who had a losing record against the Falcons.

Dan Quinn better not get fired then because that's the best head coach available. 

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3 minutes ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

True.but I don't know if there is enough cap magic left to sign an established pro if we.can't afford.Irvin.

sweat and Burns just became possibilities at 14 and I don't like it. Lol

I think Sweat will be long gone... Burns could be, too... but of those two he's the one who seems like the bigger possibility right now.

I understand the Beasley comparisons & the hesitation that causes with regard to the idea of drafting Burns. Burns has more moves though & for a pass rushing specialist, he is surprisingly solid against the run. His biggest issues are that he needs to maintain a little more weight & get a bit stronger, so that he can disengage from blockers when he's not able to use speed alone.

The guy busted his butt to get his weight up & at the combine he weighed in at 6'5" 249lbs... an inch taller than what Abe did, and just 3lbs lighter.

Further comparison of combine weigh-ins of prominent NFL pass rushers shows Burns is taller/longer than nearly all of the following & within 3lbs of guys like:

Demarcus Lawrence 6'3" 251
Danielle Hunter - 6'5" 252
Bruce Irvin 6'3" 245
Cliff Avril 6'3" 252
Cameron Wake 6'3" 236
Dee Ford 6'2" 252
Mario Addison 6'3" 245
Trent Murphy 6'5" 250
Yannick Ngakoue 6'2" 252
Clay Matthews 6'3" 240
TJ Watt 6'4" 252
Kyler Fackrell 6'5" 245
Robert Mathis 6'2" 235
Demarcus Ware 6'4" 251
Chris Clemons 6/3" 236
Trent Cole 6'3" 236
Joey Porter 6'2" 241

As for how he stacked up to Beasley's combine...

Burns 6'5" > Vic 6'3"
Burns 249lbs > Vic 246lbs
Burns 33 7/8" arms > Vic 32 1/2" arms
Burns 10" hands > Vic 9 3/8" hands
Burns 4.53 40 = Vic 4.53 40
Burns 36" vert < Vic 41" vert
Burns 129" brd < Vic 130" brd (extremely minimal difference between the two)
Burns 7.01 3cone < Vic 6.91 3cone

Get Burns in a situation where he is motivated, has great weight/strength training, and he just might turn out to be what we hoped Vic could've been.

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Just now, Falcons Fan MVP said:

 

Dan Quinn better not get fired then because that's the best head coach available. 

If you've got a time machine to five years ago when McCarthy's antiquated coaching style/playbook was still relevant, perhaps.

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8 hours ago, RING OF HONOR said:

Came here for free agent news....and this is definitely not what I was expecting to find....

Obviously Q has a plan....I hope it goes well....But I really wanted Bruce back..

This D line needs an Alpha...I just dont see one...

Takk has shown it. He just needs to bounce back 

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38 minutes ago, k-train said:

I think Sweat will be long gone... Burns could be, too... but of those two he's the one who seems like the bigger possibility right now.

I understand the Beasley comparisons & the hesitation that causes with regard to the idea of drafting Burns. Burns has more moves though & for a pass rushing specialist, he is surprisingly solid against the run. His biggest issues are that he needs to maintain a little more weight & get a bit stronger, so that he can disengage from blockers when he's not able to use speed alone.

The guy busted his butt to get his weight up & at the combine he weighed in at 6'5" 249lbs... an inch taller than what Abe did, and just 3lbs lighter.

Further comparison of combine weigh-ins of prominent NFL pass rushers shows Burns is taller/longer than nearly all of the following & within 3lbs of guys like:

Demarcus Lawrence 6'3" 251
Danielle Hunter - 6'5" 252
Bruce Irvin 6'3" 245
Cliff Avril 6'3" 252
Cameron Wake 6'3" 236
Dee Ford 6'2" 252
Mario Addison 6'3" 245
Trent Murphy 6'5" 250
Yannick Ngakoue 6'2" 252
Clay Matthews 6'3" 240
TJ Watt 6'4" 252
Kyler Fackrell 6'5" 245
Robert Mathis 6'2" 235
Demarcus Ware 6'4" 251
Chris Clemons 6/3" 236
Trent Cole 6'3" 236
Joey Porter 6'2" 241

As for how he stacked up to Beasley's combine...

Burns 6'5" > Vic 6'3"
Burns 249lbs > Vic 246lbs
Burns 33 7/8" arms > Vic 32 1/2" arms
Burns 10" hands > Vic 9 3/8" hands
Burns 4.53 40 = Vic 4.53 40
Burns 36" vert < Vic 41" vert
Burns 129" brd < Vic 130" brd (extremely minimal difference between the two)
Burns 7.01 3cone < Vic 6.91 3cone

Get Burns in a situation where he is motivated, has great weight/strength training, and he just might turn out to be what we hoped Vic could've been.

The only thing I don't like about Burns is that he's never played a snap at that weight. However from what I read dude is a.perfectionist, film.junkie, and truly has the drive to be the best he can be. He's my favorite edge guy, but it's a shame to.have to draft edge this year. Irvin is a loss. I feel like we need to bring in a vet in order to not be forced to draft DE early and leave good.value at DT/OT/C on the board

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11 hours ago, Vandy said:

There’s a plan in place, just hard for folks to see. 

Also up.for.debate is if its.a good plan or not. I'm sorry but giving Beasley 12.8m and letting Irvin(who actually had good reps and solid production in a limited role) walk, doesnt feel like a good plan. I have been, and sorely hope I am now, wrong in the past. 

I like what were doing on the Oline  but I'm sweating the state of.our DL the way you were last offseason.

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7 hours ago, FalconFanSince1969 said:

Is there something you're just not understanding about our defense being gutted with injuries? MLB and both safeties will kill any and every defense. 

Injuries weren't an excuse for the Falcons failures in 2018. We were at our healthiest in week 1 and we still lost to the Eagles, in fact, we were the only NFC South team to lose to the Eagles in 2018 (people forget this), and we played them when they weren't as strong as later in the season. Deion Jones came back mid season and we were still getting beat badly. Injuries shouldn't make you drop to 7-9 and lose the way you did. Coaching blunders and poor off season decisions were more of a reason we missed the playoffs than injuries IMO. The lack of depth at the D-line was already a problem before the 2018 season even started, but now this current off season our depth is no better or worse. Without the injuries, the Falcons probably finish 9-7 (I believe full healthy we take the Bengals & Saints at home ONLY) but still miss the playoffs because of the Eagles' head to head against us. 

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8 hours ago, kiwifalcon said:

Just like the cap Hash they cry at the moon because they don’t understand how it works or want it to work in accordance with what they no or think.

Instead of doing what you suggest wait and see and then judge.No it’s go off half cocked and let assumption reign then come back later with eggs on there faces argh that’s why they did that or made this pick argh that’s why......:doh:

Cap doesn't exist yet here we are being limited by a non existent cap. :rolleyes:

You guys aren't as smart as you want to think.

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We need bigger edge rushers, the teams just ran straight at Falcons on early downs when Irvin was on the field. They should have traded for Micheal Bennet.

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1 hour ago, Malachore said:

Cap doesn't exist yet here we are being limited by a non existent cap. :rolleyes:

You guys aren't as smart as you want to think.

Give me a break.  So weird how the cap just stopped existing.  It’s always there on an increasing continuum which teams must abide by.  You’re missing the entire point on purpose I think Malachore. My point remains this:

Bennett & Irvin

Irvin & Bennett

Blah blah blah to the point of obsession.

Sometimes this board gets too caught up in one or two posters idea of what they personally feel our team must do to become acceptable.  

But as usual it’s rarely the case.  I’m sure we have a plan in place.  I’m wide open to see how it pans out. 

I liked Irvin, but the fact he’s moving on doesn’t get me all upset to the point I feel it necessary to disparage the team.

If people want to have a certain view of what players they perceive are needed in order to be acceptable to them.... fine by me.  But when they don’t keep them or pursue them, it really seems shallow to then insult the existing players, coaches, GM, etc...  

Irvin is gone, Bennett plays elsewhere.  Behind the scenes there is real life, hard core football business decisions being made by highly capable professionals.

Not Madden, smoke-a-bowl, alt reality fantasy leaguers who want to be liked on a message board because they look cool when they agree that certain ex seahawk players must be added or the coach is a moron.  My gosh man, it was DQ himself who actually coached these fkg guys. 

Why’s it so doggone hard to just let the **** play out?  My guess the staff wants to win even more than we do!  Ya think?  It’s fine opining & wanting certain players but let’s not insult the men who are actually dealing in real life with the big picture.  

 

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5 minutes ago, HASHBROWN3 said:

Give me a break.  So weird how the cap just stopped existing.  It’s always there on an increasing continuum which teams must abide by.  You’re missing the entire point on purpose I think Malachore. My point remains this:

Bennett & Irvin

Irvin & Bennett

Blah blah blah to the point of obsession.

Sometimes this board gets too caught up in one or two posters idea of what they personally feel our team must do to become acceptable.  

But as usual it’s rarely the case.  I’m sure we have a plan in place.  I’m wide open to see how it pans out. 

I liked Irvin, but the fact he’s moving on doesn’t get me all upset to the point I feel it necessary to disparage the team.

If people want to have a certain view of what players they perceive are needed in order to be acceptable to them.... fine by me.  But when they don’t keep them or pursue them, it really seems shallow to then insult the existing players, coaches, GM, etc...  

Irvin is gone, Bennett plays elsewhere.  Behind the scenes there is real life, hard core football business decisions being made by highly capable professionals.

Not Madden, smoke-a-bowl, alt reality fantasy leaguers who want to be liked on a message board because they look cool when they agree that certain ex seahawk players must be added or the coach is a moron.  My gosh man, it was DQ himself who actually coached these fkg guys. 

Why’s it so doggone hard to just let the **** play out?  My guess the staff wants to win even more than we do!  Ya think?  It’s fine opining & wanting certain players but let’s not insult the men who are actually dealing in real life with the big picture.  

 

What does this have to do with my comment?

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10 minutes ago, Malachore said:

What does this have to do with my comment?

His comment was in response to mine. That’s why I bought it back into the convo bro.  Plus I did comment on what you said anyways.  Geesh.

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2 minutes ago, HASHBROWN3 said:

His comment was in response to mine. That’s why I bought it back into the convo bro.  Plus I did comment on what you said anyways.  Geesh.

I've read this 3 times and still have yet to see you respond to my salary cap comment.

It had nothing to do with you. I'm tired of people acting like the cap doesn't exist when it clearly does in an attempt to make themselves sound smart. Can it be manipulated? Yes but it still exists and this team is being limited by it.

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12 hours ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

I'm weary of Burns. He's never played a snap at the weight he's at. Even though he tested well, that shooting range vs battle tested.

I agree, I think he would be a third down pass rusher at best.

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21 hours ago, TheUsualStuff said:

Now don't you worry about ole Vic. Danny Q is going to take him under his wing and teach him a few things at spend the night parties over the summer. I mean sure it looks like Beasley's best work came when he had experienced vets like Dwight Freeney and Irvin beside him, but DQ is on the job now, so everything is going to be fine.

ohhhhhh!!! PAJAMA PARTIES!!   I had all sisters growing up, you can learn a LOT listening to what gets talked about at pajama parties

 

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5 hours ago, Malachore said:

Cap doesn't exist yet here we are being limited by a non existent cap. :rolleyes:

You guys aren't as smart as you want to think.

Tell who we haven’t signed who we needed to sign?

You guys who worry about the cap don’t even know how it works lol and yet you take shots at others saying where not as smart as we need to be lol.

Yeah ok man I’ll get you some tissues so you can have sulk about something you have limited knowledge about.

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On 3/19/2019 at 2:13 PM, FentayeJones said:

Its funny that Falcons fans always laud the Patriots and talk about how they are successful because they let players walk but the same folks panic when the Falcons let players walk.

Except they take ultra productive pieces and ship them elsewhere...to make big money to voot

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37 minutes ago, kiwifalcon said:

Tell who we haven’t signed who we needed to sign?

You guys who worry about the cap don’t even know how it works lol and yet you take shots at others saying where not as smart as we need to be lol.

Yeah ok man I’ll get you some tissues so you can have sulk about something you have limited knowledge about.

I could literally say the exact same thing to you because you literally think what you say is laced in gold.

Know so much but can't say how you know or how it works. 

I didn't say you weren't smart, I said you aren't as smart as you think you are.

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Just now, Malachore said:

I could literally say the exact same thing to you because you literally think what you say is laced in gold.

Know so much but can't say how you know or how it works. 

I didn't say you weren't smart, I said you aren't as smart as you think you are.

Well actually I don’t know why anyone worries about something 1 they have zero control of and 2 don’t know how it works so why worry about it.

Its a pointless discussion.

What gets me is the empty speculative comments that come we can’t do this because of this and then the opposite insues.

Exacly this happened last week before FA speculation at its finest and look what happens the Falcons sign guys to medium term contracts that can be outed after 2 years.

I mean please the fan base really need to knock the cap talk on the head because as above speculation at its finest.

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Just now, kiwifalcon said:

Well actually I don’t know why anyone worries about something 1 they have zero control of and 2 don’t know how it works so why worry about it.

Its a pointless discussion.

What gets me is the empty speculative comments that come we can’t do this because of this and then the opposite insues.

Exacly this happened last week before FA speculation at its finest and look what happens the Falcons sign guys to medium term contracts that can be outed after 2 years.

I mean please the fan base really need to knock the cap talk on the head because as above speculation at its finest.

Ok I totally agree with you on all this.

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5 hours ago, Malachore said:

I've read this 3 times and still have yet to see you respond to my salary cap comment.

It had nothing to do with you. I'm tired of people acting like the cap doesn't exist when it clearly does in an attempt to make themselves sound smart. Can it be manipulated? Yes but it still exists and this team is being limited by it.

LOL, you were being sarcastic without the purple...  I gotcha, we both see it the same way I think.   

My apologies amigo! :D :tiphat:

 

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