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Robert Kraft potentially being charged in connection with Prostitution Ring.

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1 hour ago, HMFIC said:

Kraft should know better ???   You are assuming the morality of a man you don't know.   HE was ASSUMING it was staffed with voluntary workers. , Lighten up preacher. 

Lol nahh dude, if you've been on this earth for 78 years, you should know that massage parlors and illegal brothels are exploitative. He can afford escorts and super models, why is he going to sketchy massage parlors??? 

You're assuming his innocence more than I'm assuming his guilt tbh. 

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46 minutes ago, ChickenBiscuit said:

Lol nahh dude, if you've been on this earth for 78 years, you should know that massage parlors and illegal brothels are exploitative. He can afford escorts and super models, why is he going to sketchy massage parlors??? 

You're assuming his innocence more than I'm assuming his guilt tbh. 

I doubt that "Exploitation" was on his mind when he went into the parlor.  That's what happens when you let the little head do the thinking instead of the big head.  You are saying that he should have known the employees were sex slaves.  He couldn't possibly have known that.  If he had , he wouldn't go near the place.  He is not a dumb man.  As you pointed out, he had other ways to get "serviced".  I think the word got out, from his rich pals,  that this was a very pleasurable place if you could afford it.  The article said that there were over 150 other arrests , and some with bigger names than Kraft.  A rich boys club for sure. 

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6 hours ago, HMFIC said:

I doubt that "Exploitation" was on his mind when he went into the parlor.  That's what happens when you let the little head do the thinking instead of the big head.  You are saying that he should have known the employees were sex slaves.  He couldn't possibly have known that.  If he had , he wouldn't go near the place.  He is not a dumb man.  As you pointed out, he had other ways to get "serviced".  I think the word got out, from his rich pals,  that this was a very pleasurable place if you could afford it.  The article said that there were over 150 other arrests , and some with bigger names than Kraft.  A rich boys club for sure. 

Woo, the apologism with this post reeks. 

Firstly, I never made the claim that they're sex slaves, only that they're exploited. You're putting words in my mouth. Any rational person can tell that if an employee is being asked to perform illicit sexual activities on top of their already required legal work, they're probably being exploited in that case. If we found out that wal-mart employees were giving rim jobs on their bathroom breaks at request of the Walton family, would you find that exploitative?

Secondly, I think you give Kraft too much credit. You say if he knew they were exploited he wouldn't go near the place..what evidence do you have for that statement? All I said was that he *should* know better, which is true. I never made any assertions of his innocence or guilt. But here you are again, making assertions that you can't prove and then accusing me of doing the same thing.

Also, save the insults. They make your argument look weaker than it already is.

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8 hours ago, Vandy said:

OMG. 

There's some of the usual ignorant **** being thrown around in here, including by a couple folks one would think/hope knew better. 

LMFAO he said "sounds like a reasonable work day to me" 

this dude must work in a coal mine or just flat-out hates women. maybe it's both.

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6 hours ago, ChickenBiscuit said:

LMFAO he said "sounds like a reasonable work day to me" 

this dude must work in a coal mine or just flat-out hates women. maybe it's both.

I am an Analyst for the Army. I think it would be a stretch to say I hate women, but I get that the cool thing around here is to insult people if we don't understand their point of view. I've been on this board two decades, and it's pretty much always been that way.  Rock on dude, I can dig it.

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10 hours ago, ChickenBiscuit said:

Woo, the apologism with this post reeks. 

Firstly, I never made the claim that they're sex slaves, only that they're exploited. You're putting words in my mouth. Any rational person can tell that if an employee is being asked to perform illicit sexual activities on top of their already required legal work, they're probably being exploited in that case. If we found out that wal-mart employees were giving rim jobs on their bathroom breaks at request of the Walton family, would you find that exploitative?

Secondly, I think you give Kraft too much credit. You say if he knew they were exploited he wouldn't go near the place..what evidence do you have for that statement? All I said was that he *should* know better, which is true. I never made any assertions of his innocence or guilt. But here you are again, making assertions that you can't prove and then accusing me of doing the same thing.

Also, save the insults. They make your argument look weaker than it already is.

Lying is never a pretty thing, especially when you are trying to make a point, so stop.  Where is your proof that he "Should have known better", and by what standard . yours ?  Also your assertion that the employees were being exploited has no basis, other than you ASSUME it. No such charge has been made.

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2 hours ago, HMFIC said:

Lying is never a pretty thing, especially when you are trying to make a point, so stop.  Where is your proof that he "Should have known better", and by what standard . yours ?  Also your assertion that the employees were being exploited has no basis, other than you ASSUME it. No such charge has been made.

Again, if this isn’t exploitative then I don’t understand the definition.  Even if no sex was  involved, which it was, the following is exploitative

 

Rarely are power asymmetries as stark as those that exist between a man of Kraft’s stature and wealth and the sex workers who toil at places like Orchids of Asia Day Spa. The investigation, which has been going on for months, found evidence that women were lured from China as part of an international human-trafficking ring. They were reportedly not given days off and were not allowed to leave the massage parlors, where they were forced to live, often in squalid conditions.”

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5 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Again, if this isn’t exploitative then I don’t understand the definition.  Even if no sex was  involved, which it was, the following is exploitative

 

Rarely are power asymmetries as stark as those that exist between a man of Kraft’s stature and wealth and the sex workers who toil at places like Orchids of Asia Day Spa. The investigation, which has been going on for months, found evidence that women were lured from China as part of an international human-trafficking ring. They were reportedly not given days off and were not allowed to leave the massage parlors, where they were forced to live, often in squalid conditions.”

And how was Kraft supposed to know this ?  That is the relevant question.

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2 minutes ago, HMFIC said:

And how was Kraft supposed to know this ?  That is the relevant question.

I never said he knew.  Only that the girls were being exploited

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2 hours ago, HMFIC said:

And how was Kraft supposed to know this ?  That is the relevant question.

"How is Kraft supposed to know that he's not supposed to go into massage parlors and receive handjobs from Asian immigrants?"

This is essentially your whole argument. Rather he knew they were exploited or not is a different argument, but regardless the dude walked into a massage parlor and requested illicit sexual acts. It's sketchy af and he could easily just hire an independent sex worker or just **** literally any super model. The dude is a billionaire, and we should have higher expectations for people in such high positions of authority such as Kraft.

He SHOULD know better than going into massage parlors and getting handjobs from Asian immigrants. The whole point of what I'm saying is that if you don't know if the sex workers are being exploited or not, then you shouldn't be receiving sexual acts from them. You should just hire an independent sex worker AKA an escort or just pay some supermodel to **** you. He's literally Robert ******* Kraft, if you can't understand elementary level morality then I don't know why we're even trying to have a discussion right now. 

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14 hours ago, ChickenBiscuit said:

"How is Kraft supposed to know that he's not supposed to go into massage parlors and receive handjobs from Asian immigrants?"

This is essentially your whole argument. Rather he knew they were exploited or not is a different argument, but regardless the dude walked into a massage parlor and requested illicit sexual acts. It's sketchy af and he could easily just hire an independent sex worker or just **** literally any super model. The dude is a billionaire, and we should have higher expectations for people in such high positions of authority such as Kraft.

He SHOULD know better than going into massage parlors and getting handjobs from Asian immigrants. The whole point of what I'm saying is that if you don't know if the sex workers are being exploited or not, then you shouldn't be receiving sexual acts from them. You should just hire an independent sex worker AKA an escort or just pay some supermodel to **** you. He's literally Robert ******* Kraft, if you can't understand elementary level morality then I don't know why we're even trying to have a discussion right now. 

Well Mr. Kraft that's it for you, surrender your ownership of the Patriots and report to the nearest prison.  A Georgia preacher has decided that you are evil and demented , so the argument is over.  It has also been reported that  you had sex with your wife once , not in the approved missionary position. Sad..

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14 hours ago, HMFIC said:

Well Mr. Kraft that's it for you, surrender your ownership of the Patriots and report to the nearest prison.  A Georgia preacher has decided that you are evil and demented , so the argument is over.  It has also been reported that  you had sex with your wife once , not in the approved missionary position. Sad..

hey maybe billionaires should just hire an escort or **** a supermodel instead of getting handjobs from potentially exploited Asian immigrants in massage parlors? idk man, I guess that's a lot to ask from some people. To each his own, but you're not free of consequences.

also, this is what my mom does when she loses arguments. deflects and shuts down. it's pretty sad.

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11 hours ago, ChickenBiscuit said:

hey maybe billionaires should just hire an escort or **** a supermodel instead of getting handjobs from potentially exploited Asian immigrants in massage parlors? idk man, I guess that's a lot to ask from some people. To each his own, but you're not free of consequences.

also, this is what my mom does when she loses arguments. deflects and shuts down. it's pretty sad.

Everyone is entitled to be wrong sometimes, I forgive you. OUT ! 

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20 hours ago, ChickenBiscuit said:

pathetic

Well yes you are but I have already forgiven you.

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4 minutes ago, mdrake34 said:

Just straight up Anti-Semitism. 

That’s a bold accusation and I’d suggest you provide a shred of truth before throwing conjecture.  I was attacking bankers...the fact they are Jewish never crossed my mind until you brought it up 2 minutes ago.  

You are too intelligent to make such a blindly ignorant statement.  Please delete the accusation immediately

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