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Kershaw's body is starting to give out. Dodgers just gave him $93M but they were smart to limit the years to 3.

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Kimbrel is reportedly telling teams he'll take a year off rather than sign an offer he thinks isn't good enough.

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2 minutes ago, Unkn0wn said:

Kimbrel is reportedly telling teams he'll take a year off rather than sign an offer he thinks isn't good enough.

Not sure what he thinks will change next year. He’ll never get the lost money back. 

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39 minutes ago, Black Francis said:

Not sure what he thinks will change next year. He’ll never get the lost money back. 

And this isn't Levon Bell, who was 26 and in his prime at the declaration and subsequent follow through of his holdout for a year. Kimbrel will be 31 shortly after the season starts, and we've already seen some minor indicators of slippage from his very elite status. 

I think it's a bluff, and he will sign before the season starts. I can't recall the last time this has ever been done in MLB - especially with someone of his caliber.

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29 minutes ago, ATL Fan in the DMV said:

And this isn't Levon Bell, who was 26 and in his prime at the declaration and subsequent follow through of his holdout for a year. Kimbrel will be 31 shortly after the season starts, and we've already seen some minor indicators of slippage from his very elite status. 

I think it's a bluff, and he will sign before the season starts. I can't recall the last time this has ever been done in MLB - especially with someone of his caliber.

Leveon was a fool too. He’ll never get a contract that makes up for leaving $14 million on the table. 

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Phillies the favorite for Bryce Harper.   Looking at what they’ve added with Realmuto and McCutchen already plus potential of Harper and other minor moves, lotta firepower to a team that was already decent.

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24 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

Phillies the favorite for Bryce Harper.   Looking at what they’ve added with Realmuto and McCutchen already plus potential of Harper and other minor moves, lotta firepower to a team that was already decent.

 Don't worry man we brought Nick back.

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Just now, K26dp said:

I remember him breaking out that curve in Gwinnett and going "holy crap!" 

Then he couldn't throw a strike for 10 straight pitches.

I know it's only spring training but anytime you make a guy like Joey Votto go jelly legged that's speaks volumnes to the wickedness of the pitch!

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Just now, Falconsfan567 said:

I know it's only spring training but anytime you make a guy like Joey Votto go jelly legged that's speaks volumnes to the wickedness of the pitch!

No has *ever* questioned Cabrera's stuff.

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On 2/23/2019 at 6:39 PM, Black Francis said:

Leveon was a fool too. He’ll never get a contract that makes up for leaving $14 million on the table. 

Lol yes he will. 

14 mill guaranteed and a chance you'll get hurt and never play another down. 

35+ guaranteed and a chance you'll get hurt and never play another down. 

Why would anyone take the first option?

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On 2/28/2019 at 0:24 PM, WOR said:

Lol yes he will. 

14 mill guaranteed and a chance you'll get hurt and never play another down. 

35+ guaranteed and a chance you'll get hurt and never play another down. 

Why would anyone take the first option?

 I'm not sure I follow this.

 Every player that ever played under the franchise tag has chosen the 1st option.

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1 hour ago, Malachore said:

 I'm not sure I follow this.

 Every player that ever played under the franchise tag has chosen the 1st option.

He's saying that a franchise tag only guarantees the one year. A free agent contract is likely to have guarantees that double that amount if not more. By sitting on his hands this season, Bell lost a one-year salary of $14 million. He's out literally nothing if he manages a contract that guarantees him more than that. The system is broken, and players are the victims of it. Bell has exploited a loophole that has always been there but few players have been bold enough to use. A few like Emmit Smith and Joey Galloway tried variations of it. Revis is the guy who showed everyone how to work the current system, though. His constant refusal to work for less than fair market value. He earned something crazy like $155 million by pushing teams to pay him his worth. That's quarterback money.

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9 hours ago, jidady said:

He's saying that a franchise tag only guarantees the one year. A free agent contract is likely to have guarantees that double that amount if not more. By sitting on his hands this season, Bell lost a one-year salary of $14 million. He's out literally nothing if he manages a contract that guarantees him more than that. The system is broken, and players are the victims of it. Bell has exploited a loophole that has always been there but few players have been bold enough to use. A few like Emmit Smith and Joey Galloway tried variations of it. Revis is the guy who showed everyone how to work the current system, though. His constant refusal to work for less than fair market value. He earned something crazy like $155 million by pushing teams to pay him his worth. That's quarterback money.

I understand FA and NFL contracts. I don't understand how you guys think he didn't lose money. He's not guaranteed to get hurt, he didn't earn the 14 mil and no matter the next  contract he can't get it back.

He could have the potential to earn 49 but skipped out on 14. Therefore he lost out on earning 14 million dollars.

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3 hours ago, Malachore said:

I understand FA and NFL contracts. I don't understand how you guys think he didn't lose money. He's not guaranteed to get hurt, he didn't earn the 14 mil and no matter the next  contract he can't get it back.

He could have the potential to earn 49 but skipped out on 14. Therefore he lost out on earning 14 million dollars.

You're presuming something. Your argument requires him to have perfect health. If he'd played for $14 million and had something happen like Alex Smith, his career is over. He's out the other $21 million that way since the NFL doesn't guarantee contracts. By holding out, he's assured of making more money. What he did is brilliant. It's just that most players haven't had the courage to go through with the holdout. Now that Bell did, the entire league is more empowered.

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1 hour ago, jidady said:

You're presuming something. Your argument requires him to have perfect health. If he'd played for $14 million and had something happen like Alex Smith, his career is over. He's out the other $21 million that way since the NFL doesn't guarantee contracts. By holding out, he's assured of making more money. What he did is brilliant. It's just that most players haven't had the courage to go through with the holdout. Now that Bell did, the entire league is more empowered.

You are also presuming something,  something that happens less than it does (in a situation like Bell's). How often have guys had a career ending injury while playing under the franchise tag?

People are not going to make this a norm but we'll have to agree to disagree on this.

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6 minutes ago, Malachore said:

You are also presuming something,  something that happens less than it does (in a situation like Bell's). How often have guys had a career ending injury while playing under the franchise tag?

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I don't know how much you keep with football. The two-word reply to your post is "EARL THOMAS!!!" His playing instead of holding out this year was a crippling mistake, which is why he flipped off Pete Caroll as he was taken off the field. A few years ago, Henry Melton and Anthony Spencer both went out the same weekend in a similar situation.

Bell did the smart thing. It's just not something anyone else had done in a while.

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1 hour ago, jidady said:

You're presuming something. Your argument requires him to have perfect health. If he'd played for $14 million and had something happen like Alex Smith, his career is over. He's out the other $21 million that way since the NFL doesn't guarantee contracts. By holding out, he's assured of making more money. What he did is brilliant. It's just that most players haven't had the courage to go through with the holdout. Now that Bell did, the entire league is more empowered.

I'll chime in. Although guys DO get significantly injured in those circumstances, that is more the exception and not the rule. 

It was definitely a gambit, and players can get injured at any time. But nothing will change that he missed out on $14M.  He will try to make it up in this deal, but had he stayed healthy in 2018 and played, he would get his large deal regardless. 

Regardless, he will still get paid a lot of money this offseason. 

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