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Talking about everything but the subject at hand, that is how it is suppose to work for people that throw around the JFK assignation, moon landing, flat earth etc. Anything but stay on the subject.

What does any of that have to do with teams mysteriously passing the ball three times within 4-minutes to go in the Super Bowl, when all they had to do is run the ball 3-times kick a short field goal, and be the Champions. Three officials looking down a WR that is tackled before the ball gets to him, and keep their flags firmly in their pockets. .............Now your talking. What does any of that have to do with different kinds of knowing or different kinds of ways of perceiving life based on our Socio Economic backgrounds? 

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1 minute ago, Mid-Nite-Toker said:

The problem lies with words like rigged, scripted, and fixed. 

Does the NFL have financial incentives to want certain teams in big games or certain "story lines" to play out? I think yes.

I don't see how many games can be fixed, but calls can be made and not made to give a team a chance or keep games close. The league wants advertisement money and the audience has to stay tuned in.

Its no secret the NFL wanted a team in Los Angeles, especially a successful one.

The teams still ultimately decide the outcome, but it wouldn't take that much to give a side a push and handicap another in key moments.

In my opinion some games are managed...officials.

I don't buy in to that numbers stuff and glad the Saints lost lol.

Let's also not forget many TATF members holler "Katrina Bowl" to this very day.

Good post. Some people that scoff at the idea that big games could be determined by more than just players performance also complain about refs.

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5 minutes ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

 

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I agree to the difficulty that "scripting" games would cause. But money would obviously be the motive. In my experience, when billions of dollars are at stake, there's never totally fair to all. Even it is rigged, it's fun to watch.

But let's look at professional sports objectively. The world series has been bought in the past. The entire team was enlisted to throw the game. Jackson refused, alledgedly, but he didn't blow the whistle on it. How many times had it happened before they were caught?

At it's core football is a game of inches. Those inches are determined, routinely, by officials who work part-time and are payed a vastly smaller amount than the players themselves.

This game of inches determined by underpaid part-time workers has 32 teams owned by 32 billionaires. The players of those teams are payed tens, or hundreds of times more money than they would be able to make if they were to use their degrees in the workforce. These players have no idea how long they have to acquire this wealth. Is it not possible that the highest paid players could be in league with the owners to ensure the golden goose keeps ****ting eggs? Who would ever blow the whistle if so? One would assume your life would be in danger. When Mason's are initiated a blade is placed on their left breast and told to remember the feeling if they ever utter a word of what transpires inside the hall. One would assume the threat of harm to onesself, or worse, ones family would exist in the modern gladiator arena.

If given the choice of millions of dollars, or being killed, everyone ion this forum would take the money and shut up. Actually the real question in that scenario becomes, what is the motive to blow the whistle on the operation? People are remarkably good at doing what their told by the hands that feed them.

Out of the 3 things I mentioned in the post you quoted, you only decided to address one of them by saying "money" when I think it was pretty clear to everyone that the whole US wanted ANYONE other than Pats/Rams. What were the rating numbers compared to superbowls prior this year? https://www.ajc.com/sports/football/super-bowl-ratings-lowest-years/pNAJY9A5SzbK2ruYjhqvEJ/

Then you just keep ranting about the money until you drift off into talking about freemasons and gladiators and talking about people being killed. Take a step back for a minute man, It's a conspiracy theory. hjerry is telling the truth. The NFL being rigged conspiracy has about 50 holes in it and the NFL not being rigged has maybe 1 or 2 and even then the evidence is circumstantial.

 

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THE NFL RIGS GAMES TO PLAY PUPPETMASTER TO THE LEAGUE AND THE OUTCOME.

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4 minutes ago, Cheap Talk said:

Talking about everything but the subject at hand, that is how it is suppose to work for people that throw around the JFK assignation, moon landing, flat earth etc. Anything but stay on the subject.

What does any of that have to do with teams mysteriously passing the ball three times within 4-minutes to go in the Super Bowl, when all they had to do is run the ball 3-times kick a short field goal, and be the Champions. Three officials looking down a WR that is tackled before the ball gets to him, and keep their flags firmly in their pockets. .............Now your talking. What does any of that have to do with different kinds of knowing or different kinds of ways of perceiving life based on our Socio Economic backgrounds? 

It's because it's much easier to prove the Earth is round than it is to prove the inner workings to the NFL,NHL,MLB etc... People lump all conspiracies together because it's easier to scoff at them that way. They never give a second thought that they hold a very biased p.o.v.

If one conspiracy is false they all are. However there are countless conspiracies that have turned out to be true, and no matter how many times that happens, they continue to hold that bias. People are easily programmed, and that isn't meant as an insult. I used to be a socialist. I bought into the idea that was programmed. Now i wouldn't label my political opinions but I tend to lean conservative on most things, and champion personal liberties and privacy.

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4 minutes ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

Good post. Some people that scoff at the idea that big games could be determined by more than just players performance also complain about refs.

Oh of course, Refs can affect the game. It's where the conspiracy part comes in that the whole idea falls apart. The more people you involve, the less credible it becomes, because the more opportunities for leaks and mistakes. 

Can one ref subconsciously, sometimes even consciously make a call, or not make a call? Sure, but that's also why, or part of why, we have multiple refs. 

That's not what is generally being argued though. The idea is that players and refs are given secret orders and maybe even payoffs to make certain calls, or lean a certain way. As I said, the more people you involve, the more it falls apart. 

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3 minutes ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

It's because it's much easier to prove the Earth is round than it is to prove the inner workings to the NFL,NHL,MLB etc... People lump all conspiracies together because it's easier to scoff at them that way. They never give a second thought that they hold a very biased p.o.v.

If one conspiracy is false they all are. However there are countless conspiracies that have turned out to be true, and no matter how many times that happens, they continue to hold that bias. People are easily programmed, and that isn't meant as an insult. I used to be a socialist. I bought into the idea that was programmed. Now i wouldn't label my political opinions but I tend to lean conservative on most things, and champion personal liberties and privacy.

It would actually be pretty easy to prove if it really was on such a grand scale; too many people, something would've leaked.

Suggesting that so many people could be involved and word never get out, especially with so many on the outside seemingly trying to prove it true, makes for a pretty weak argument. 

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2 minutes ago, AtlantaFanatic said:

Out of the 3 things I mentioned in the post you quoted, you only decided to address one of them by saying "money" when I think it was pretty clear to everyone that the whole US wanted ANYONE other than Pats/Rams. What were the rating numbers compared to superbowls prior this year? https://www.ajc.com/sports/football/super-bowl-ratings-lowest-years/pNAJY9A5SzbK2ruYjhqvEJ/

Then you just keep ranting about the money until you drift off into talking about freemasons and gladiators and talking about people being killed. Take a step back for a minute man, It's a conspiracy theory. hjerry is telling the truth. The NFL being rigged conspiracy has about 50 holes in it and the NFL not being rigged has maybe 1 or 2 and even then the evidence is circumstantial.

 

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THE NFL RIGS GAMES TO PLAY PUPPETMASTER TO THE LEAGUE AND THE OUTCOME.

Im not saying it is. I am saying it's naive, bordering on narcissistic to say it isn't. No one can PROVE that it isn't. Hjerry isn't privy to, or hold the patent on truth. I'm not trying to be derogative, just that how could one be certain that it is or isn't. You can't prove the existence of GOD, anymore than you can prove that big NFL games are only determined by player performance.

Also sb ratings mean jack compared to building a team in the second largest city in the country. 

I'm not saying I believe that championship games are rigged, altered etc... I'm just saying that it's a possibility, and I need nothing more than motive to prove a possibility. 

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Oh, for the record, ATLSlobberKnockers, I just wanted to put it out there just in case, I don't look down on you at all, and hope my posts aren't coming off that way. You seemingly have the makings of someone who is a skeptic, and is looking for answers, and I can respect that. I have no problem discussing things online, I just have no interest in arguments, specifically with those whose minds are not going to be changed. My sig is there for a reason. I discuss plenty in real life, but I'm far less willing to online considering the general lack of rationality and understanding seen on most forums and websites. 

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2 minutes ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

Im not saying it is. I am saying it's naive, bordering on narcissistic to say it isn't. No one can PROVE that it isn't. Hjerry isn't privy to, or hold the patent on truth. I'm not trying to be derogative, just that how could one be certain that it is or isn't. You can't prove the existence of GOD, anymore than you can prove that big NFL games are only determined by player performance.

Also sb ratings mean jack compared to building a team in the second largest city in the country. 

I'm not saying I believe that championship games are rigged, altered etc... I'm just saying that it's a possibility, and I need nothing more than motive to prove a possibility. 

Yous should refer back to my previous post on different kinds of knowing. It can be hard to get those kinds of things across via the written word, though I'm trying my best.

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11 minutes ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

Im not saying it is. I am saying it's naive, bordering on narcissistic to say it isn't. No one can PROVE that it isn't. Hjerry isn't privy to, or hold the patent on truth. I'm not trying to be derogative, just that how could one be certain that it is or isn't. You can't prove the existence of GOD, anymore than you can prove that big NFL games are only determined by player performance.

Also sb ratings mean jack compared to building a team in the second largest city in the country. 

I'm not saying I believe that championship games are rigged, altered etc... I'm just saying that it's a possibility, and I need nothing more than motive to prove a possibility. 

 

8 minutes ago, hjerry said:

Yous should refer back to my previous post on different kinds of knowing. It can be hard to get those kinds of things across via the written word, though I'm trying my best.

 

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29 minutes ago, hjerry said:

Yous should refer back to my previous post on different kinds of knowing. It can be hard to get those kinds of things across via the written word, though I'm trying my best.

I only referred to you because he quoted you as a source of truth. I easily could have, and prob should have, used "one".

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12 hours ago, papachaz said:

I quit watching when he got to '99' Brees and Donald's name both = 99, 99 days since Jared Goffs birthday...etc etc etc....if you look hard enough for this kind of garbage, you can find it. 

 

Someone convince me that the NFL has someone in their offices who is sitting down and saying "ok, Brees name = 99, Donald's name = 99, and by chance Goff's birthday was 99 days before this game was played, SOOOOO that means the refs have to intentionally miss calls (exactly when they did, all throughout the game) Brees has to throw the interceptions on the plays he did, Payton has to call silly plays instead of the plays even the casual fan knows he should run, JUST so the Rams can come back in OT and win at exactly the right score.....

 

riiiiiiggghhhhtttttt

 

some of the conspiracy theories are almost believable, but this one, nahhhhh

Dude you haven't scratched the surface. If you want a good laugh google Superbowl satanic ritual.

I will say baseball being based on Masonic symbols has some weight behind it. I mean Washington d.c. is, so why not a game. Lots of crazy ****. Google Giselle witch, and read about Brady and his wife having Wiccan rituals before certain games. Lol

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20 hours ago, hjerry said:

Lol, the NFL set it up to have the lowest rated SB in 10 years :lol:

Despite lower ratings the game was still a success for the NFL and the network.  So alls well.

Stll its good the NFL gets fed some humble pie every now and then.   I would hate for the league to get the idea that the Super Bpwl should be Pay-Per-View.

Heck they might go that route, anyway....

 

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In regards to validity of conspiracy theories, it is ludicrous to me to dismiss one simply based on the number of people needed to pull it off.  If you are going to refute one, use good evidence or reasoning to do so.  History has shown us there have been plenty of conspiracy theories that have turned out to be true, and on an extremely large scale.

To say games can't be scripted, rigged, or fixed is ignorant, given that we have examples of that happening.

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37 minutes ago, shc said:

In regards to validity of conspiracy theories, it is ludicrous to me to dismiss one simply based on the number of people needed to pull it off.  If you are going to refute one, use good evidence or reasoning to do so.  History has shown us there have been plenty of conspiracy theories that have turned out to be true, and on an extremely large scale.

To say games can't be scripted, rigged, or fixed is ignorant, given that we have examples of that happening.

Everyone thought NBA being rigged was a joke too, until.........

 

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2015/may/22/ex-nba-ref-tim-donaghy-organized-will-always-have-a-hand-in-sports

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25980368/how-former-ref-tim-donaghy-conspired-fix-nba-games%3fplatform=amp

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14 hours ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

You should look into the 3,6,9 numbers. They are fun to play around with.

"If one understood the significance of the numbers 3,6,9 than one would hold a key to the universe."-Nikola Tesla.

it's so crazy you say this cause 2013 was a complete **** show 2016 was a complete abortion and this year is shaping up to beat both of those even though I'm optimistic. I might just have to disappear 2023  

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1 hour ago, shc said:

In regards to validity of conspiracy theories, it is ludicrous to me to dismiss one simply based on the number of people needed to pull it off.  If you are going to refute one, use good evidence or reasoning to do so.  History has shown us there have been plenty of conspiracy theories that have turned out to be true, and on an extremely large scale.

To say games can't be scripted, rigged, or fixed is ignorant, given that we have examples of that happening.

What examples can you point to as direct proof? Horrendously bad calls does not make for proof that something is rigged.

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2 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said:

What examples can you point to as direct proof? Horrendously bad calls does not make for proof that something is rigged.

I don't mean football/NFL specifically, but we have plenty of examples in other sports.  To somehow say the NFL is immune would be naive.

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Just now, shc said:

I don't mean football/NFL specifically, but we have plenty of examples in other sports.  To somehow say the NFL is immune would be naive.

Other sports? Yeah, we've seen that. Basketball for sure since it's the easiest to rig because there's less moving parts. Football would be much, much harder to rig because of all the moving parts.

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1 minute ago, Falconsfan567 said:

Other sports? Yeah, we've seen that. Basketball for sure since it's the easiest to rig because there's less moving parts. Football would be much, much harder to rig because of all the moving parts.

Can you define what you mean by more moving parts?

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