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If New England Wins Superbowl 54 (to the Falcons?), Will This Not Make You Wonder?

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If you grew up in the Nineties, you can relate to the major Steroid era of baseball.  Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco, Ken Caminiti, and many others all went from being mildly-muscular guys to body-building monsters that turned the sport into a home run show.  Sadly, most fans knew there was something going on but were so entertained they just let it go until it got to a point it was ridiculous.  I don't think baseball has yet recovered the popularity it had in the Eighties because of this.

Now, we are watching a single team with really only a few long term stars absolutely dominate the NFL with 6 championships.  Sure, they lost last year to the Eagles but was this just a way to throw us off what was going on behind the scenes?  There were mild scandals known as Deflategate and Spygate that almost went unnoticed and are barely even talked about anymore.  But, how can a single team succeed so long in the NFL?

1) Brady's age - the guy has yet to show any age decline and actually wants to play another year? other than having 7 titles and another ring, what does he have to play for? does he not remember QB's like Theismann or read about the head injuries that many former NFL players have?

2) What stars - other than Brady and maybe a few like Gronkowski, this NE team always seems to win with one-year players and mediocre stars like Edelman, Blount, White, Cooks, Butler, etc.  It is almost like whoever they draft or acquire works for them for a Superbowl run but then is sent elsewhere the next year and disappears into the regular NFL.

3) No bad trades - does it almost always seem that whatever trades they make, always work in their favor?  It seemed Jimmy G was a sure-fire replacement for an "aging" Brady, but they send him to San Fran where he is injured while Brady comes back for another youthful season.  They send a great WR target like Cooks to LA for a draft pick they then use on a RB coming off an injury named Michel.  The latter ends up vital in the Superbowl against LA.  Many more examples available.

4) Parity - how is it NE can survive in a league where parity is so obvious for the rest of the league.  The lower draft picks for winning teams, the scheduling so that winning teams face winning teams, and the heavy free agency movement destroy other teams but NE always survives somehow.  And, how is it that no other AFC East team has shown possibly being able to topple NE in ages?

5) Injuries - the Falcons were destroyed early this year by injuries on its young defense.  However, even when NE is hit with an injury, it seems to never matter as they could grab a player off the street and turn them into a star playing for them.  Even when Brady was hurt and/or suspended a few games in recent years, the backup QB comes in and plays like nothing has changed.

6) Officiating - do you ever see the Patriots ever have a game where a call really goes against them that is questionable?  Maybe the bad call the Saints are so irked about was a planned event to keep Brees from being in the way in the Superbowl?  The officials were certainly rather uninvolved last night with possible PI calls late in the game that Alford is called for constantly.  And, they certainly helped the Patriots against us a couple of years ago with holding calls late in the game.

 

So, there are still plenty out there that simply accept the Patriots winning Superbowl 53 as nothing but a great team.  However, I simply ask if the Falcons make it to Superbowl 54 and play the Patriots (would anybody be surprised to see a different AFC opponent?), are you going to accept us losing to the Patriots as just another year by a great team?

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4 minutes ago, Smiler11 said:

What's the question? :huh:

Simply put - how many more Superbowls/AFC Championships/Division titles does New England have to win before you wonder how they can be so great?

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1 minute ago, jlrfalcon said:

Simply put - how many more Superbowls/AFC Championships/Division titles does New England have to win before you wonder how they can be so great?

None...because everyone already wonders that. They are the greatest sports dynasty of all time in any sport. They have 2 dynasties, in 2 decades. 

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*sigh*

Because the NFL relies more on coaching than any other major American sport. An uber talented team with a crummy coach will lose. Strategy and playing your opponent is imperative in the NFL because the difference in talent and athleticism between the worst NFL player and the best is minute.

The Patriots have the best strategist the sport has ever seen leading the way and his team of coaches are incredible in their own right. They beat you every year because they are better at leveraging their talent agaisnt you. 

Their QB is also a maniac when it comes to competition, leadership, and approach to the game. The continuity between the coach and the QB is unrivaled. 

The Patriots will continue to win as long as BB is running the show so strap in and have fun watching greatness because it's likely youll never see something like this again. 

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27 minutes ago, AtlantaFanatic said:

The Patriots will continue to win as long as BB is running the show so strap in and have fun watching greatness because it's likely youll never see something like this again. 

It's almost like they are the Alabama of the NFL

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10 minutes ago, shc said:

It's almost like they are the Alabama of the NFL

It's a little different because Alabama also has the ability to attract the best players on top of having the best coach. BB does it with players other teams toss to the side. That's what makes him the best ever. 

Saban couldn't do what he does in the NFL because the talent is a level playing field across the league.

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Just now, jlrfalcon said:

If you grew up in the Nineties, you can relate to the major Steroid era of baseball.  Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco, Ken Caminiti, and many others all went from being mildly-muscular guys to body-building monsters that turned the sport into a home run show.  Sadly, most fans knew there was something going on but were so entertained they just let it go until it got to a point it was ridiculous.  I don't think baseball has yet recovered the popularity it had in the Eighties because of this.

Now, we are watching a single team with really only a few long term stars absolutely dominate the NFL with 6 championships.  Sure, they lost last year to the Eagles but was this just a way to throw us off what was going on behind the scenes?  There were mild scandals known as Deflategate and Spygate that almost went unnoticed and are barely even talked about anymore.  But, how can a single team succeed so long in the NFL?

1) Brady's age - the guy has yet to show any age decline and actually wants to play another year? other than having 7 titles and another ring, what does he have to play for? does he not remember QB's like Theismann or read about the head injuries that many former NFL players have?

2) What stars - other than Brady and maybe a few like Gronkowski, this NE team always seems to win with one-year players and mediocre stars like Edelman, Blount, White, Cooks, Butler, etc.  It is almost like whoever they draft or acquire works for them for a Superbowl run but then is sent elsewhere the next year and disappears into the regular NFL.

3) No bad trades - does it almost always seem that whatever trades they make, always work in their favor?  It seemed Jimmy G was a sure-fire replacement for an "aging" Brady, but they send him to San Fran where he is injured while Brady comes back for another youthful season.  They send a great WR target like Cooks to LA for a draft pick they then use on a RB coming off an injury named Michel.  The latter ends up vital in the Superbowl against LA.  Many more examples available.

4) Parity - how is it NE can survive in a league where parity is so obvious for the rest of the league.  The lower draft picks for winning teams, the scheduling so that winning teams face winning teams, and the heavy free agency movement destroy other teams but NE always survives somehow.  And, how is it that no other AFC East team has shown possibly being able to topple NE in ages?

5) Injuries - the Falcons were destroyed early this year by injuries on its young defense.  However, even when NE is hit with an injury, it seems to never matter as they could grab a player off the street and turn them into a star playing for them.  Even when Brady was hurt and/or suspended a few games in recent years, the backup QB comes in and plays like nothing has changed.

6) Officiating - do you ever see the Patriots ever have a game where a call really goes against them that is questionable?  Maybe the bad call the Saints are so irked about was a planned event to keep Brees from being in the way in the Superbowl?  The officials were certainly rather uninvolved last night with possible PI calls late in the game that Alford is called for constantly.  And, they certainly helped the Patriots against us a couple of years ago with holding calls late in the game.

 

So, there are still plenty out there that simply accept the Patriots winning Superbowl 53 as nothing but a great team.  However, I simply ask if the Falcons make it to Superbowl 54 and play the Patriots (would anybody be surprised to see a different AFC opponent?), are you going to accept us losing to the Patriots as just another year by a great team?

They probably drink a 5 hour energy before every game like we should be doing.

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Just now, AtlantaFanatic said:

*sigh*

Because the NFL relies more on coaching than any other major American sport. An uber talented team with a crummy coach will lose. Strategy and playing your opponent is imperative in the NFL because the difference in talent and athleticism between the worst NFL player and the best is minute.

The Patriots have the best strategist the sport has ever seen leading the way and his team of coaches are incredible in their own right. They beat you every year because they are better at leveraging their talent agaisnt you. 

Their QB is also a maniac when it comes to competition, leadership, and approach to the game. The continuity between the coach and the QB is unrivaled. 

The Patriots will continue to win as long as BB is running the show so strap in and have fun watching greatness because it's likely youll never see something like this again. 

I can't figure out how they got torched by Nick Foles. 

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I don't really wonder. The Pats are great because they aren't stupid and don't over think football. They also all buy into the "the sum is greater than it's parts" mantra. Brady being underpaid is a prime example. Contractually, they are very smart as well, they aren't scared to let guys walk because they believe they can replace anybody. 

When it comes to scheming, they truly live gameplanning for each opponent and not a one size fits all approach majority of the other teams do. That's why they usually rank in the middle of the pack in defense, they can figure any offense out. Last three years, their defensive DVOA has been #16, #31, #16. Three SB trips, two trophies, no top ten unit. They are usually willing to give in some places while taking more in others. They aren't lining up in Cover 3 or Cover 1 because that's "who they are". 

On offense, they aren't afraid of sticking with what works for the sake of diversity. They ran the same pass play multiple times vs  the Rams and got the same result. Why change if they can't stop it? There is a reason Edelman was MVP. They aren't afraid to adjust on a dime. They ran the ball more than they passed it. In 2018. The year of the pass. They don't chase the hot thing. They do what it takes to win that game. They find guys who are well rounded. They prefer the guy who can do a lot well over the guy who specializes in a thing or two. 

They don't get caught up in hoopla. They know what football is and adjust to it on a weekly basis. They are smart and well coached and know they will get pulled if they don't play smart football. They aren't flashy, just do their jobs correctly all the time. Not rocket science. A lot of smoke and mirrors. But when you distill it, it's all the same. 

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There is no HC or team in the league that is better prepared than the Patriots. BB eats, sleeps, and dreams game preparation and film study like no other. He and his teams are more detailed oriented than anyone else. It's not rocket science as to how they do it, but no one seems to be able to replicate the amount of work combined with the evaluation of players that will give him what he wants.

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Here is an example:

This was a beautiful sequence and speaks directly to what I said above. Three plays back to back to back. The same exact play. But they were setting it up. First play gives them the look on how the Rams will play it. It also pulls the wool over your eye because Edelman picked up an easy first. Second play gets Peters engage by forcing him to respect that curl. It's all put together on that third play: who is by Gronk? Nobody because the threat is Edelman to this point and that curl, leaving the safety 1v1 in a crucial situation. 

This was nothing difficult or game changing. It's not sexy. It's just strategy, understanding personnel and situations, and putting your guys in positions to succeed. Not rocket science. Just football. 

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50 minutes ago, E. T. said:

Playing smart with few mistakes goes a long way.

Then why can no other team but the Patriots play this way?

And, it is not like they are the same players (except Brady) every year?

The common component is Belichick (and maybe Brady and Kraft) like the guy knows the future or something?  The guy has 8 rings already and has clearly proven himself to be a mastermind-what more does this guy want?

The last losing season the Patriots have had was 2000 - the year Belichick arrived.  How many other dynasties can you point to that have had so many straight winning years?

Even prior dynasties like the Cowboys or Steelers or Reds or Yankees or Bulls or Cavaliers could be attributed to handful of players and a lot of heavy and good spending (especially before the salary cap in NBA/NFL) but it seems like no matter what the Patriots do, it goes their way?

Seattle was basically on the goal line ready to beat them, but calls what many routinely call the worst play in Superbowl history.  Atlanta was rolling over them and had the game won, but then plays the worst quarter or so of football in history.  Los Angeles has a super offense led by a great RB but scores only 3 points with virtually no RB use (yet claims the RB is not injured).

I am not denying that NE appears great but if we lose to them next year in the Superbowl when let's say Ryan throws 5 interceptions or Julio drops 5 passes, will it not make you ponder how a team behind only a common coach and old age QB can constantly win in this league?

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2 hours ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

None...because everyone already wonders that. They are the greatest sports dynasty of all time in any sport. They have 2 dynasties, in 2 decades. 

Naw that would be the Yankees who won 20 of 40 World Series Championships from 1923-1962. Or Boston's other team, The Celtics who won 11 of 13 NBA Championships from 1956-1968.

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1 hour ago, vel said:

Here is an example:

This was a beautiful sequence and speaks directly to what I said above. Three plays back to back to back. The same exact play. But they were setting it up. First play gives them the look on how the Rams will play it. It also pulls the wool over your eye because Edelman picked up an easy first. Second play gets Peters engage by forcing him to respect that curl. It's all put together on that third play: who is by Gronk? Nobody because the threat is Edelman to this point and that curl, leaving the safety 1v1 in a crucial situation. 

This was nothing difficult or game changing. It's not sexy. It's just strategy, understanding personnel and situations, and putting your guys in positions to succeed. Not rocket science. Just football. 

One of things that using 2 backs did was keep the slowest LBs the Rams had on the field.

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2 hours ago, jlrfalcon said:

Simply put - how many more Superbowls/AFC Championships/Division titles does New England have to win before you wonder how they can be so great?

They aren't. They're just like everyone else, but coached right. Brady played like crap. Bill Belichick game plans better than anyone.

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43 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Naw that would be the Yankees who won 20 of 40 World Series Championships from 1923-1962. Or Boston's other team, The Celtics who won 11 of 13 NBA Championships from 1956-1968.

But at least with those you can point to money being the major factor plus also the allure for high-priced stars to be in big cities.

However, the Patriots are supposed to be prevented from having a dynasty with the salary cap.  They do have the fortune of a QB who would probably want to be paid $40 mil/yr if not married to a rich spouse.  But, even then, who are the real high-priced guys on their roster?

And, if you were a football player, how likely are to want to play in the snow and cold frequently unless you were getting paid well for it?

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As much as I hate seeing the Patriots win it at least I can find some comfort in the fact that you have the Patriots, then you have everyone else.

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9 minutes ago, Faithful Falcon said:

They aren't. They're just like everyone else, but coached right. Brady played like crap. Bill Belichick game plans better than anyone.

If he is such a great coach, then why have there really not been any glut of Belichick assistants to become great HC's elsewhere? 

I know McDaniels is OC now and doesn't want to leave but even he wasn't great in Denver.

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