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Trade Deadline Rumors: Hawks and Around The NBA

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As he did last year, Schlenk insists any move must make sense to the Hawks. 

Schlenk also said the Hawks will not take back salary in a trade without getting significant return. 

 

 

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What The Atlanta Hawks Should Do At The NBA Trade Deadline

Jeff SiegelContributor

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Atlanta Hawks guard Jeremy Lin, right, on January 28. (Photo by Brian Rothmuller/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)GETTY

The Atlanta Hawks are right on schedule. After spending last season in the abyss, the club reloaded over the summer, bringing in a trio of rookies across the three core positions (point, wing, big) and continuing general manager Travis Schlenk’s grand plan of renting out the team’s cap space for draft assets.

The Hawks have a stable of young talent coming through the pipeline, whether that’s players already on the team or draft picks over the next few years. There’s no reason to stop now; Atlanta has a few key veterans on the roster this season who can absolutely contribute to a winning team immediately. The goal for Schlenk and his staff at the deadline: find the best possible deals for his veterans on expiring contracts without repeating the mistakes of last year.

Even on the heels of a very encouraging six-week run, Atlanta is much too far behind the playoff contenders to even dream of being buyers at the deadline. Trae Young and John Collins have been phenomenal of late, leading the team to multiple wins over high-end playoff teams in what has become an extended stretch of very solid play. Where they fit in the hierarchy of the team in three years remains to be seen, but for now, Young and Collins are in the driver’s seat each and every night. Kevin Huerter, selected No. 19 in 2018, has proven himself to be a very good shooter and a surprising playmaker, the perfect secondary complement to Young’s ball-dominant ways. Those three, as things stand, are likely the only players on the roster who are as untradeable as they can get, with the caveat that nobody and nothing is truly untradeable.

The rest of the roster, meanwhile, is somewhere between “available for the right price, but it had better be a good offer” and “openly available for just about anything”. Taurean Prince’s name has popped up in rumors recently, but Atlanta selling on the third-year forward would be a shock. The more likely names are a bit further along the age curve: Jeremy Lin, Dewayne Dedmon, and Kent Bazemore. Schlenk will be working the phones constantly ahead of Thursday’s deadline to find the best deal for the organization’s long-term vision, a part of which none of those three are.

How They Got Here

After an extended run in the playoffs, Schlenk was hired in 2017 to hit the reset button. Last season was the bridge year; they still had Mike Budenholzer, who had been stripped of his personnel responsibilities but was still coaching the team, and a handful of key veterans who didn’t take kindly to the losing, most notably point guard Dennis Schröder.

In the 2018 offseason, Budenholzer was let go in favor of Lloyd Pierce and Schröder was shipped to Oklahoma City. Schlenk added Young, Huerter, and Omari Spellman to the burgeoning crew of youngsters and took flyers on Lin (via trade) and Alex Len (via free agency) to add a bit of a veteran element to the team’s young core. Only Bazemore has been on the team longer than two full years; the reset button has been fully pressed.

What They Need To Do

Lin’s $13.8 million contract expires at the end of the season, making him a prime target for a contender with backup point guard trouble and cap space this summer. After a horrific knee injury zapped his 2017-18 campaign, Lin is back to nearly 100% of what he was in his heyday – a pick-and-roll scorer who can capably guide a team through tough stretches offensively. His patented pull-up jumper going to his right is as lethal as it’s ever been. While he can sometimes be a bit of a one-trick pony in that regard, it’s a very effective trick that can absolutely help buoy a team looking to find 15 minutes a game off the bench in the playoffs. His size to defend some smaller 2s and ability to space the floor off the ball also helps to scale his role up in case of injury or a coach who wants to keep him in the game while also bringing in the starter in a close game.

The Hawks should be willing to take on money for next year, which would increase their return for Lin’s services. On his own, the veteran point guard is likely not worth a first-round pick, but Schlenk’s conversations should be taking place with teams who have bad money that stretches into 2019-20. Lin can return up to $18.8 million in salary in a one-for-one swap, which opens a lot of different doors. Whether it be a team with cap space aspirations in 2019 who would like an extra $15 million in flexibility or a team over the luxury tax who want to duck back under, Schlenk should have plenty of potential buyers for Lin.

Dedmon’s expiring contract tallies $7.2 million, a much more manageable sum for a contending team to take on. Additionally, the last $900,000 of that amount is tied up in bonuses that he might not earn if he were to become a high-end backup center for a team with championship aspirations. This is particularly important when it comes to teams over the luxury tax, as they could theoretically trade a $12.2 million salary to Atlanta and only end up with Dedmon counting for $6.3 million on their final tax bill, which could save that team nearly $10 million in salary and penalties.

Dedmon’s impact on the court would also be a boon to teams with a significant drop-off from their starting center. In particular, Atlanta’s old friend Budenholzer is currently steering the ship in Milwaukee, where Dedmon would fit perfectly as a backup to and reasonable facsimile of Brook Lopez. Centers are long on supply and short on demand in the current NBA, but Dedmon’s defensive mobility and ability to space the floor makes him a very useful modern big man. He’s even played a bit of power forward this year for the Hawks, though that would be more of a last-ditch strategy than a cogent tactic a coach would use regularly.

Things are more complex with Bazemore, who has an extra $19.3 million on a player option for 2019-20 that’s he’s almost sure to pick up. From that perspective, Bazemore likely wouldn’t represent salary relief for a team in need, but would instead represent an upgrade on their current overweight contract. The Brandon Knight move is just waiting to be made – Knight and a first-round pick for Bazemore makes sense for everybody involved, giving the Hawks another first-rounder to add to their asset pool and giving the Houston Rockets a capable wing who would fit seamlessly into their system on both ends of the floor.

If the Hawks were to sell off one or more of these players, the feel-good run they’ve enjoyed over the last six weeks would likely have to come to an end. Any move they make will worsen the team in the short-term, which is just fine for their long-term vision. It’s important for Atlanta to not get wrapped up their recent success and believe they should accelerate their timeline to contend in the very near future. The plan is in place and this extended run of .500 ball is a good sign of Pierce and the players developing together, but nothing more. Schlenk should still be a seller at the deadline, looking to pick up future assets for the key veterans who can help playoff teams and take on bad money where necessary to secure even better assets. It won’t be their strategy forever, but for the deadline and this summer, that’s precisely where they are.

 

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I was listening to a podcast and they brought up a great point: many fans excoriated the Hawks brass for not moving the expirings of Marco Bellinelli and Ersan ilyasova at the trade deadline last year. Turns out, we had offers for Marco, but we would have had to be hamstrung with bad salary that would have extended several years. He literally had next to no value. And Ilyasova had a limited no trade clause that hurt our negotiating options.

This year we have Lin and Dedmon as expirings. A couple key differences though: Our expirings this year are much more valuable (especially Dedmon with his newfound offense (attempted just one 3 pointer prior to joining the Hawks) and could be a legit starter on several teams or be a high quality backup for any team. Lin is healthy and, although not a starter, is a useful backup PG that acquits himself well in typical backup minutes. Problem with him is his significant salary will make it a little harder to move. Neither of them have no-trade clauses of any kind.

Bazemore, who isn't expiring and will almost assuredly lock into his 2019-2020 player option of $19.3M(!), will hopefully be moved with the right deal. That rumored Rockets deal has been out there forever.

I like these guys (although Baze gives me a chronic case of the Eye Rolls - it's real, look it up), but we can't just deal them for any crap in return. We have to be smart. And as last year eventually bore out, sometimes it is better to not make a deal than to make a deal.

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Four deals the Atlanta Hawks could make before the trade deadline

The Hawks have some pieces to move and it is about time to get started.

 

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The trade deadline is quickly approaching, so here are some last-minute trade ideas (in addition to the five-pack we put forth in January) that could make some sense for the Atlanta Hawks to get you all primed and ready for Thursday afternoon.

 

Dewayne Dedmon and Hawks own unprotected 2020 second round pick to the Philadelphia 76ers in exchange for Markelle Fultz

For the Hawks, Dewayne Dedmon has been a nice surprise since coming over in free agency during the summer of 2017 after spending time in the SpursMagicWarriorsand 76ers organizations. Dedmon had never really been given much playing time as a career backup big man but felt he had more to offer and bet on himself by signing a 1+1 contract in Atlanta.

Well, the gamble has paid off and Dedmon has turned himself into an NBA starter for many teams and can be a major backup contributor on any team. Dedmon especially added some value to his game when he suddenly became a 37 percent shooter from beyond the arc after coming to Atlanta with just one career three-point attempt.

 

Now, for this trade the 76ers have a real dilemma on their hands. This trade would entirely hinge on their opinion of former No. 1 overall pick Markelle Fultz and there is no clear consensus yet on what Fultz can still be in the NBA after being injured for pretty much his whole career along with his jump shot being a mess.

This would clearly be a “win-now” move for Philadelphia which makes sense as they have a solid core three of Jimmy ButlerBen Simmons and Joel Embiid who are ready to contend immediately, while Fultz cannot be a major contributor. Even if Fultz were to be cleared to play in the next few weeks, it would be unlikely that he would give them strong play as they vie for a championship.

For Atlanta, this is basically like buying a lottery ticket. Dedmon’s contract is set to expire at the end of this season and the Hawks are not competing for a playoff berth this season, so losing Dedmon wouldn’t be all that painful. They would also be getting a chance to see if a change of scenery might help Fultz get back on track to becoming a high-level NBA player as so many analysts had him pegged to be before he was drafted. From the Hawks’ perspective, this deal would also hinge on Fultz’s medical information, which has been as mysterious as any in NBA history.

 

Taurean Prince to the Denver Nuggets in exchange for Tyler LydonJarred Vanderbilt and a future first round pick with protections

Hawk fans should be able to remember when Taurean Prince was drafted No. 12 overall in the 2016 draft, after Atlanta traded point guard Jeff Teague to Indiana for the pick. When the Hawks selected Prince, the consensus was that he was one of the best 3-and-D players in the draft; the 3 part has come to fruition more than the D part has thus far in his career

Prince offers some sharpshooting for a Nuggets team that could use all the shooting they can get. He’d give Denver another depth piece to aid in their playoff run this year, plus they’d be able to extend him over the summer or get him into restricted free agency in 2020.

 

Vanderbilt has only played in one game this rookie season due to injuries but played well as a freshman at Kentucky and is still just 19 years old. Lydon is in the deal to make the salary matching work; he’s already had his option declined for next year and looks to be well on his way out of the league entirely.

Denver has an impacted draft pick situation that would make the deal slightly more difficult, but they could move a pick as early as 2021, two years after they satisfy their obligation to Brooklyn this year. For Atlanta, a 2021 first-rounder makes sense, as they’re not looking to add more picks in the 2019 draft but are interested in future draft assets.

Overall this deal is solid for the Hawks and Nuggets as Atlanta has reportedly been shopping around Prince anyways. With the Nuggets in “win-now” mode it would make a ton of sense for them to get a player that can help the team win now with shooting.

 

Taurean Prince and Tyler Dorsey to the Miami Heat in exchange for Wayne Ellington and a future unprotected first round pick

Taurean Prince would be a fun experiment in Erik Spoelstra’s system as defense is not an option but is mandatory. For Miami this is a low-risk deal that cuts salary and gives them two shooters for their run down the stretch and into the playoffs.

On Atlanta’s side this trade is 100% about the first-round pick coming back. Wayne Ellington is a non-starter for a team like the Hawks who would probably look into trading the veteran sharpshooter or just buying him out. The future unprotected first could be interesting though as Miami has put themselves into a sticky situation with a bunch of guaranteed contracts to some mediocre players. Miami famously traded their 2021 pick to Phoenix in the Goran Dragic trade but have the rest of their first-rounders to send to Atlanta, though 2020 and 2022 would be blocked from being moved due to the Stepien Rule.

 

Prince offers Miami the shooting of Ellington and the Heat would have the security of Prince for at least another season after this one and possibly more, along with a wild card in Dorsey who could flourish with the right coach. This trade all hinges on Miami’s desire to cut salary for the remainder of this season or their desire to lock up a premium three-point shooter for multiple seasons.

Kent Bazemore to the Houston Rockets in exchange for Marqueese Chriss, Brandon Knight, a future unprotected first round pick and a future unprotected second round pick

This trade is a lot to unpack.

Let’s begin with the fact that Atlanta has all of the leverage here. Of course, Houston could always say no, but if the right offer that included Bazemore came along you see them hard-pressed to decline. They already showed interest in Baze back in the summer of 2016 when Kent signed a four-year extension with Atlanta.

 

The motivation here for the Hawks are obviously the two picks which could become very valuable with an unfortunate injury to one of the Rocket’s (injury prone) superstars. This is also a super risky trade for the Hawks who could just end up picking in the late 20’s as this trade would make Houston tremendously better.

More motivation for Atlanta is that it clears a year of Bazemore’s contract off the books which then allows the Hawks to either take on more salary and picks or even decide to go ahead and invest in a big free agent name for a run in the near future.

Bazemore offers the Rockets both a quality perimeter defender and solid play-maker that can knock down the catch-and-shoot three pointers. I have to imagine James Hardensalivating at the thought of this trade after losing one of his favorite targets (Trevor Ariza) in free agency last summer.

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I wish you guys would stop posting speculation articles..nobody knows who we are trading aND what we will be getting in return with the circumstances of any trade we make

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2 hours ago, TRUju2111 said:

I wish you guys would stop posting speculation articles..nobody knows who we are trading aND what we will be getting in return with the circumstances of any trade we make

We do this kind of thing in TATH forum.  Jayu70 did address this thread as Trade Deadline RUMORS.  

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2 minutes ago, blkbigdog35 said:

We do this kind of thing in TATH forum.  Jayu70 did address this thread as Trade Deadline RUMORS.  

Those are not rumors..just some beat writer throwing **** on the wall hoping someone like you will give him a pay check

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Adrian Wojnarowski reported that the Philadelphia 76ers completed a blockbuster deal with the LA Clippers for forward Tobias Harris.

The full deal -- Philadelphia getting Harris, center Boban Marjanovic and forward Mike Scott in exchange for forward Wilson Chandler, guard Landry Shamet, center Mike Muscala, Philadelphia's 2020 first-round pick, the Miami Heat's unprotected 2021 first-round pick and two second-rounders -- has wide-ranging implications around the league. Link

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Thunder sniffing around Prince's availability

Meanwhile, the Thunder are exploring the market for a backup swingman and have also called the Hawks about available small forward Taurean Prince, according to a report from Kevin O’Connor of The Ringer.

“In addition to the Thunder, league sources say the Sixers and Blazers have expressed interest in the 3-and-D forward,” O’Connor wrote of Prince.

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8 minutes ago, ATL Fan in the DMV said:

Fultz would be like a lottery ticket. Great if it works out, no skin off our back if it doesn't. 

Ya this is all reward no risk..maybe hE just doesn't play well with simmons

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12 minutes ago, TRUju2111 said:

Ya this is all reward no risk..maybe hE just doesn't play well with simmons

There is some risk as he makes $10 million next season. If he can't get out his own head and play it's a $10 mil lost cause.

As long as we're not giving up much, it's a risk that's worth it though.

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I'm kind of apathetic about the situation, but the Fultz rumors seem to be picking up steam. Philly wants a team that can send viable role players, take on a bit of salary, and not demand first round draft picks. There aren't a lot of fits, and we're one of the few.

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