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Draft Opinion - Best DT against the Run

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A lot of quality Defensive talent in the draft this year.     If you had to rank the top defenders in this years draft  - based on their ability to stop the run - how would you rank them?   

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It’s Oliver

ED OLIVER – INTERIOR DEFENDER, HOUSTON

There is not much more for Oliver to prove in the college game as he has been a force on the interior for three straight seasons, recording PFF grades of 88.0 in 2016, 91.4 in 2017, and a spectacular 93.4 in 2018. You will be hard pressed to find a better defender against the run, where Oliver has recorded PFF grades of 88.0, 91.4, and 93.4 each of the last three seasons. Heading into 2018, Oliver needed to improve upon his ability to rush the passer, and he’s done just that by producing a pass-rush grade of 88.7, good for fourth among interior defenders.

All Oliver does is accrue defensive stops, racking up 47 in 2017 (second) and 26 this season (fourth).

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Ed Oliver is my favorite - and if he falls to 14 - I hope we grab him - but I'd like to see what everybody thinks ranking wise for the top defenders.   Since we don't really know who will fall to us - and I'm really hoping we go for a run stopper.   I want to do some research and watch the combine.

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Just now, Artys Arryn said:

Ranking the top 5 against the run:

1. Ed Oliver

2. Quinnen Williams

3. Dexter Lawrence

4. Jeffrey Simmons

5. Christian Wilkins

Thanks - this is what I actually had - and I just wanted to see what others thought.   How many of these do you think have a chance of falling to us?   I'm thinking Wilkins and Oliver.

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9 minutes ago, Tandy said:

Thanks - this is what I actually had - and I just wanted to see what others thought.   How many of these do you think have a chance of falling to us?   I'm thinking Wilkins and Oliver.

We aren't taking Dexter Lawrence at #14 - I will almost guarantee that.  The DTackle needs to be a good run stopper but you don't burn a #14 pick on a run-stopping specialist that will only be on the field 30-40% of the time.

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4 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Ed Oliver vs Oklahoma’s vaunted OL in his first game as a collegiate player.  7 tackles, 3 TFL & 2 sacks.  All that despite double and triple teams

 

A lot of mock drafts have him falling to us, I hope he falls into our hands.

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4 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

We aren't taking Dexter Lawrence at #14 - I will almost guarantee that.  The DTackle needs to be a good run stopper but you don't burn a #14 pick on a run-stopping specialist that will only be on the field 30-40% of the time.

How many of those guys are 1st round picks or should I say top 14 picks?

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1 minute ago, FalconinPA said:

A lot of mock drafts have him falling to us, I hope he falls into our hands.

Mocks right now are total crap though.   The true studs emerge over the process and what maybe a "sneaky" great pick at #14 now will be a top 10 pick by draft day.

I remember all the mocks had Aaron Donald as a 2nd round pick in January, a late 1st round pick in February/March, a top 20 pick in early April and by the time the draft rolled around Aaron Donald went #13 overall to the St. Louis Rams.

Oliver's journey so far has been different as he started consensus #1 and now is supposdly outside the top 10 - but if he shows well in testing and can carry 280, he will be back up.

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33 minutes ago, Falcanuck said:

He's not a DT, but Zach Allen out of BC is a tremendous run defender from the DE position and has some pass rush ability.

Allen at 285 on the edge has the best bull rush in college football...by far

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1 minute ago, Tandy said:

How many of those guys are 1st round picks or should I say top 14 picks?

probably all of them except Lawrence.

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6 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

We aren't taking Dexter Lawrence at #14 - I will almost guarantee that.  The DTackle needs to be a good run stopper but you don't burn a #14 pick on a run-stopping specialist that will only be on the field 30-40% of the time.

Also concerns that his best year was his freshman season

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Just now, g-dawg said:

Mocks right now are total crap though.   The true studs emerge over the process and what maybe a "sneaky" great pick at #14 now will be a top 10 pick by draft day.

I remember all the mocks had Aaron Donald as a 2nd round pick in January, a late 1st round pick in February/March, a top 20 pick in early April and by the time the draft rolled around Aaron Donald went #13 overall to the St. Louis Rams.

Oliver's journey so far has been different as he started consensus #1 and now is supposdly outside the top 10 - but if he shows well in testing and can carry 280, he will be back up.

I know, I was surprised that he dropped out of the top ten. But something has been telling me that he won't be there at #14

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35 minutes ago, Falcanuck said:

He's not a DT, but Zach Allen out of BC is a tremendous run defender from the DE position and has some pass rush ability.

He blows as a pass rusher, he has one move and that is bull rush. He reminds me of a less talented brooks reed.

My pick would be the Clemson hoss, Dexter Lawrence. Trash can full of dirt and hard to move, I also like Khalen Saunders.

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2 minutes ago, FalconinPA said:

I know, I was surprised that he dropped out of the top ten. But something has been telling me that he won't be there at #14

those last few wins at the end of the year took us out of the mix for some of the obvious gems of the draft like Nick Bosa, Quinnen Williams, Josh Allen and Ed Oliver.   Probably Jonah Williams out of reach as well.

There will be studs available at #14 - but the chances of missing become greater.   Falcons have done a good job of not selecting busts in 1st round so let's hope that streak continues.

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1 minute ago, g-dawg said:

those last few wins at the end of the year took us out of the mix for some of the obvious gems of the draft like Nick Bosa, Quinnen Williams, Josh Allen and Ed Oliver.   Probably Jonah Williams out of reach as well.

There will be studs available at #14 - but the chances of missing become greater.   Falcons have done a good job of not selecting busts in 1st round so let's hope that streak continues.

I agree. I was happy we were winning those last few games, but in my mind I knew that we were dropping major spots in this very rich draft. 

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18 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

those last few wins at the end of the year took us out of the mix for some of the obvious gems of the draft like Nick Bosa, Quinnen Williams, Josh Allen and Ed Oliver.   Probably Jonah Williams out of reach as well.

There will be studs available at #14 - but the chances of missing become greater.   Falcons have done a good job of not selecting busts in 1st round so let's hope that streak continues.

Yepp shot falcon'd ourself in the foot for a little pride and a well done bragging rights sticker. Could've had a stud player like Jonah, Oliver, or Quinnen.

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2 minutes ago, RLD said:

The Falcons need to draft an OT with the 14th/ pick. Williams or Little or the Wisconsin tackle. Best one available, anyway. Falcons 1st. pick should be a offensive tackle.

Greg Little scares me a bit - think he has underachiever traits.

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10 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

those last few wins at the end of the year took us out of the mix for some of the obvious gems of the draft like Nick Bosa, Quinnen Williams, Josh Allen and Ed Oliver.   Probably Jonah Williams out of reach as well.

There will be studs available at #14 - but the chances of missing become greater.   Falcons have done a good job of not selecting busts in 1st round so let's hope that streak continues.

There will be a stud available at pick 14 of Round 2.  Just have to make the proper choice

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Just now, Falconsin2012 said:

There will be a stud available at pick 14 of Round 2.  Just have to make the proper choice

yeah - there are studs undrafted every year - as a matter of fact, once you get past first two rounds,  I believe there are more UDFA's than any other specific round that generates the greatest players.

even the best GMs miss over half the time.

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3 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

yeah - there are studs undrafted every year - as a matter of fact, once you get past first two rounds,  I believe there are more UDFA's than any other specific round that generates the greatest players.

even the best GMs miss over half the time.

It’s a fact.  A study was done between 2010-2015.  It found that outside of round 1 & 2, the most likely spot to find an All Pro is UDFA.  It was 11% of the All Pro selections were UDFA’s

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