falconfanEST1989

Goodell wanting LA in Superbowl theory

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1 hour ago, ya_boi_j said:

Not like there aren’t  any good players outside of the first round. 

Not saying there aren't. Makes it much more difficult though.

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Just now, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

Not saying there aren't. Makes it much more difficult though.

Not really. Talent is talent. You just have to find the guy who fits and mold him. 

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7 hours ago, JDaveG said:

I mean, you would have to assume LA drives the field, kicks the FG, gets the toss in OT, or if not Brees throws a pick.......come on. 

Brady won the toss in OT. He never gave them the ball back. Saints choked. 

Why would you have to assume that? Could easily blow another call, call a holding penalty, etc..Either way If it were rigged for LA, I've got to think the facemask penalty on Goff would have been called.

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10 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

Not really. Talent is talent. You just have to find the guy who fits and mold him. 

Def waaayyy less likely to draft a day one contributor when your picking the 5th-10th player drafted at any position. 

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2 minutes ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

Def waaayyy less likely to draft a day one contributor when your picking the 5th-10th player drafted at any position. 

Lol tell that to the other STARS drafted 2nd round and lower. 

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4 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

Lol tell that to the other STARS drafted 2nd round and lower. 

So are you saying drafting at 64 is not a disadvantage? 

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3 minutes ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

So are you saying drafting at 64 is not a disadvantage? 

Look around the league now and in the past and you’ll find your answer. There are gems throughout the draft at every position. It’s all about how the team features said player. Some guys make it in the league, some don’t. That’s just a part of the crap shoot called the draft 

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3 hours ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

Why would you have to assume that? Could easily blow another call, call a holding penalty, etc..Either way If it were rigged for LA, I've got to think the facemask penalty on Goff would have been called.

You and I are on the same page here. That’s exactly the point I’m making. 

If you want to argue the NFL is cheating to help the Rams by having that one non-call, then you have to assume the NFL thought it guaranteed a Rams victory (by also assuming all the things I listed and probably more). And since that’s a stupid assumption, it’s clear the NFL wasn’t trying to throw the game. It was just a bad call, and the Saints had ample opportunity to put the game away and choked. 

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19 hours ago, falconfanEST1989 said:

It's a stupid theory....    to me a 40 year old 1st ballot HOF'er vs a 41 year old 1st ballot HOF'er wouldve been a far better story line than LA ..   

both QBs with the potential of going out with a superbowl win.  2 offenses capable of putting up 40+.. the superbowl ratings wouldve been just as high if not higher..   

Do you have any idea...how much money Vegas would have lost had they won vs Rams?!

The amount of money poured in after half time Saints was record at all time high on any NFL team over probably 2 or 3 decades.

 

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The reality is the bad call just allowed everyone to not **** on Payton. Truthfully, the Ain'ts fans should be attacking him as badly as our fans did Kyle after our SB loss: If Payton doesn't throw the ball 2/3 plays at the end there, the Rams probably don't have time to come back like they did. Not to mention the INT. Yeah the bad call hurt but the Ain'ts could have easily circumvented it with better play/calls. 

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15 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

Look around the league now and in the past and you’ll find your answer. There are gems throughout the draft at every position. It’s all about how the team features said player. Some guys make it in the league, some don’t. That’s just a part of the crap shoot called the draft 

Lol. He'll you can say that for UdFAs. Then would you say not.having draft picks isn't a disadvantage because there are good players that go undrafted? That's some good homerism

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On 1/22/2019 at 0:46 PM, ya_boi_j said:

They both have a few more years to try to get their teams back to face each other

Brees arm looks completely shot.  They need to implement a NE style offense to mask some of Brees deficiencies if they want to make another run

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5 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Brees arm looks completely shot.  They need to implement a NE style offense to mask some of Brees deficiencies if they want to make another run

Hope so, but....Other than Thomas, who does he have to throw to deep? 

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1 minute ago, Vandy said:

Hope so, but....Other than Thomas, who does he have to throw to deep? 

His deep shots were all pretty bad.  I actually thought he was aweful in the NFCCG.  He seemed to tire this year.

5 of their last 7 games the Saints scored under 23 points.  Brees intellect and short/intermediate is still on point.  Just don’t see him as a dominant vertical threat any longer

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5 minutes ago, Vandy said:

Hope so, but....Other than Thomas, who does he have to throw to deep? 

You think Saints might make a run at Brown?

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21 minutes ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

Lol. He'll you can say that for UdFAs. Then would you say not.having draft picks isn't a disadvantage because there are good players that go undrafted? That's some good homerism

No that’s just common sense 

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12 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Brees arm looks completely shot.  They need to implement a NE style offense to mask some of Brees deficiencies if they want to make another run

That’s why I said dink and dunk it

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Just now, ya_boi_j said:

That’s why I said dink and dunk it

I posted this in another thread, but I’m convinced the Patriots dink & dunk WCO is how to win in today’s NFL.  Check down to your RB 15 times a game.  It’s demoralizing. It also gets the ball out in 1.5 seconds to protect your OL.  You can afford to pay less for your OL in that system.  In ours, the routes take time to develop so you’d better pay top dollar for those blocking up front

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27 minutes ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

Lol. He'll you can say that for UdFAs. Then would you say not.having draft picks isn't a disadvantage because there are good players that go undrafted? That's some good homerism

Just look at the Patriots offense.  One first round pick.  

In a nutshell, the Patriots have been unworldly when it comes to building a Super Bowl roster with players the rest of the NFL could have easily had.

Let's look at those who presented the foundation for that win in Kansas City:

Tom Brady (duh), sixth-round, 199th overall pick.

Don't worry, there's more ...

Offensive line? Joe Thuney was drafted in the third round with the 78th overall pick, but that would represent the greatest draft value of any of this group.

Trent Brown came over from San Francisco along with a fifth-round pick (which turned out to be promising linebacker Ja'Whaun Bentley) for a third-rounder. Shaq Mason (4th round) and Marcus Cannon (5th round) proved to be among the best in the league at their position. And center David Andrews wasn't even drafted.

Andrews wasn't the only one on the field at Arrowhead Stadium who played a key role despite signing as an undrafted rookie free agent. Cornerbacks Jonathan Jones and J.C. Jackson were tasked with helping lock down two of the Chiefs most important players in Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce respectively. Jones also got help from seventh-rounder Keion Crossen. Defensive lineman Adam Butler? Another one who wasn't drafted but made a mark, actually seeing six more snaps than first-rounder Malcom Brown last Sunday.

Other key members of this Patriots' defense also came at remarkably manageable costs. Their best pass rusher, Trey Flowers, was a fourth-rounder (101st overall). Perhaps the defender offering the most impact, Kyle Van Noy, was reeled in from Detroit along with a seventh-round pick for a sixth-round selection. Another contributor in the defensive backfield, Jason McCourty, they got along with a seventh-round pick (which turned out to be quarterback Danny Etling) for a sixth-round spot. Elandon Roberts (sixth-rounder) and John Simon (signed in September after the Colts released him) each also saw significant time.

Julian Edelman (duh, again), seventh-round, 232nd overall pick.

Phillip Dorsett was more useful than Jacoby Brissett (a third-rounder), the quarterback he was traded for, would have been.

The Patriots have certainly got the most out of the three-year, $12 million contract given to Chris Hogan, who would have stayed in Buffalo if it chose to match the offer.

Rex Burkhead's three-year, $9.75 million contract appears more prudent than the four-year, $20 million it would have cost to match Dion Lewis' deal with the Titans.

James White? He was the 130th overall pick (fourth-round) in 2014. The running backs picked before him were Bishop Sankey, Jeremy Hill, Carlos Hyde, Charlie Sims, Tre Mason, Terrance West, Jerick McKinnon, Bashaud Breeland, Devonta Freeman (OK, he's pretty good), Andre Williams, Ka'Deem Carey, and De'Anthony Thomas. So, there you go.

Even a couple of key bit parts of the offensive attack came at very palatable costs, with the Patriots trading a fifth-round pick to Oakland for Cordarelle Patterson and a sixth-rounder, and Belichick doing a deal with the Colts for Dwayne Allen and a sixth-round selection (turning out to be Roberts) for a fourth-round selection.

The trend extends to special teams, as well thanks to Stephen Gostkowski (fourth-round), Matthew Slater (fifth-round), Nate Ebner (sixth-round), punter Ryan Allen (rookie free agent) and long-snapper Joe Cardona (fifth-round).

Sure, the Patriots have spent somewhat loosely on occasion, hitting on one in Stephon Gilmore and seemingly overpaying on another with Adrian Clayborn. But the vast majority of this Super Bowl team is made up of players who were there for the taking.

In this case, New England out-smarted the NFL once again.

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2 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

I posted this in another thread, but I’m convinced the Patriots dink & dunk WCO is how to win in today’s NFL.  Check down to your RB 15 times a game.  It’s demoralizing. It also gets the ball out in 1.5 seconds to protect your OL.  You can afford to pay less for your OL in that system.  In ours, the routes take time to develop so you’d better pay top dollar for those blocking up front

I would do it until they stop it lol. You can mix in some crossers with the wr as well. Screw trying to be fancy with long drawn out routes. 

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1 minute ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Just look at the Patriots offense.  One first round pick.  

In a nutshell, the Patriots have been unworldly when it comes to building a Super Bowl roster with players the rest of the NFL could have easily had.

Let's look at those who presented the foundation for that win in Kansas City:

Tom Brady (duh), sixth-round, 199th overall pick.

Don't worry, there's more ...

Offensive line? Joe Thuney was drafted in the third round with the 78th overall pick, but that would represent the greatest draft value of any of this group.

Trent Brown came over from San Francisco along with a fifth-round pick (which turned out to be promising linebacker Ja'Whaun Bentley) for a third-rounder. Shaq Mason (4th round) and Marcus Cannon (5th round) proved to be among the best in the league at their position. And center David Andrews wasn't even drafted.

Andrews wasn't the only one on the field at Arrowhead Stadium who played a key role despite signing as an undrafted rookie free agent. Cornerbacks Jonathan Jones and J.C. Jackson were tasked with helping lock down two of the Chiefs most important players in Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce respectively. Jones also got help from seventh-rounder Keion Crossen. Defensive lineman Adam Butler? Another one who wasn't drafted but made a mark, actually seeing six more snaps than first-rounder Malcom Brown last Sunday.

Other key members of this Patriots' defense also came at remarkably manageable costs. Their best pass rusher, Trey Flowers, was a fourth-rounder (101st overall). Perhaps the defender offering the most impact, Kyle Van Noy, was reeled in from Detroit along with a seventh-round pick for a sixth-round selection. Another contributor in the defensive backfield, Jason McCourty, they got along with a seventh-round pick (which turned out to be quarterback Danny Etling) for a sixth-round spot. Elandon Roberts (sixth-rounder) and John Simon (signed in September after the Colts released him) each also saw significant time.

Julian Edelman (duh, again), seventh-round, 232nd overall pick.

Phillip Dorsett was more useful than Jacoby Brissett (a third-rounder), the quarterback he was traded for, would have been.

The Patriots have certainly got the most out of the three-year, $12 million contract given to Chris Hogan, who would have stayed in Buffalo if it chose to match the offer.

Rex Burkhead's three-year, $9.75 million contract appears more prudent than the four-year, $20 million it would have cost to match Dion Lewis' deal with the Titans.

James White? He was the 130th overall pick (fourth-round) in 2014. The running backs picked before him were Bishop Sankey, Jeremy Hill, Carlos Hyde, Charlie Sims, Tre Mason, Terrance West, Jerick McKinnon, Bashaud Breeland, Devonta Freeman (OK, he's pretty good), Andre Williams, Ka'Deem Carey, and De'Anthony Thomas. So, there you go.

Even a couple of key bit parts of the offensive attack came at very palatable costs, with the Patriots trading a fifth-round pick to Oakland for Cordarelle Patterson and a sixth-rounder, and Belichick doing a deal with the Colts for Dwayne Allen and a sixth-round selection (turning out to be Roberts) for a fourth-round selection.

The trend extends to special teams, as well thanks to Stephen Gostkowski (fourth-round), Matthew Slater (fifth-round), Nate Ebner (sixth-round), punter Ryan Allen (rookie free agent) and long-snapper Joe Cardona (fifth-round).

Sure, the Patriots have spent somewhat loosely on occasion, hitting on one in Stephon Gilmore and seemingly overpaying on another with Adrian Clayborn. But the vast majority of this Super Bowl team is made up of players who were there for the taking.

In this case, New England out-smarted the NFL once again.

Man Trent Brown was a flippin 7th round pick. There’s talent throughout the draft. Good coaches know how to use them. Good post

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4 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

I would do it until they stop it lol. You can mix in some crossers with the wr as well. Screw trying to be fancy with long drawn out routes. 

Do it until they could puke.  Then blow the top off vertically with Jones, Ridley & Sanu.

People may not realize it, but Freeman/Coleman in the passing game is what made 2016 such a special offense.  

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3 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

Man Trent Brown was a flippin 7th round pick. There’s talent throughout the draft. Good coaches know how to use them. Good post

And Shanny traded him to NE for peanuts

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7 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Do it until they could puke.  Then blow the top off vertically with Jones, Ridley & Sanu.

People may not realize it, but Freeman/Coleman in the passing game is what made 2016 such a special offense.  

Yep. I’m not the biggest freeman guy but I give props where they’re due. 

5 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

And Shanny traded him to NE for peanuts

Yep. People can hate on NE all they want but them dudes know how to win. Just based on everything you hear former guys say, that’s a freakin family frfr. They ain’t gotta push all this brotherhood ********. It all starts with Brady

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10 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

Yep. I’m not the biggest freeman guy but I give props where they’re due. 

Yep. People can hate on NE all they want but them dudes know how to win. Just based on everything you hear former guys say, that’s a freakin family frfr. They ain’t gotta push all this brotherhood ********. It all starts with Brady

Yep.  Belichick builds a team in lieu of accumulating talent.  Values dependability over your time in the 40.  And don’t tell FFS1970, but he rarely goes BPA.  

Where Belichick really wins is 2 areas:

First by meeting tenders to sign RSA, which almost nobody does....they had almost no picks in 2017 but got 3 starters by giving up those picks to get restricted free agents.

And second he uses the inherent benefit of trading for a player.  The signing bonus stays with the team he signed with, so NE only inherits the base salary and let’s the other team assume the rest.  Clever

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