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5 possible Atlanta Falcons roster cuts to keep an eye on

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1 hour ago, kiwifalcon said:

Agreed I even think the coaches and GM will be sweating on cutting Bryant.

I think it’s just one of those tough calls you got to make.

That’s not an easy cut to make with an unproven kicker. If DQ starts losing games with missed FG, he will get fired. 

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51 minutes ago, MSalmon said:

And who do you replace him with? A draft pick? Free agent? He may NT have replicated his 16 season but he gets pressure and still forced three fumbles and had 5 sacks and an int 

It all boils down to value and roster construction moving forward; right now his production isn't where it needs to be for a long-term deal.

He probably gets 1 more chance this year unless we get him to settle now for a team friendly deal. That also is very unlikely. I'd like to see him back and wish it wouldn't be at the $13M tag so as to make this FA more productive.

As others have mentioned, there aren't many scenarios where Vic comes back long-term; as a part-time player, when another team thinks their system could yield a better fit/production for him and their team.

It is what it is:  A difficult decision.

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Just now, Ergo Proxy said:

It all boils down to value and roster construction moving forward; right now his production isn't where it needs to be for a long-term deal.

He probably gets 1 more chance this year unless we get him to settle now for a team friendly deal. That also is very unlikely. I'd like to see him back and wish it wouldn't be at the $13M tag so as to make this FA more productive.

As others have mentioned, there aren't many scenarios where Vic comes back long-term; as a part-time player, when another team thinks their system could yield a better fit/production for him and their team.

It is what it is:  A difficult decision.

Sure. I have a feeling he gets the one year 13m unless he settles for a much less per long term deal—whichhe may not.

if Vic is gone, that pretty much puts us on the hunt for another edge guy

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1 hour ago, mqg96 said:

I'd rather cut Desmond Trufant instead of Robert Alford anyday. I'm telling you, Alford would thrive with a better DC or better skill players than the Falcons.

I gave this a "like" simply because Trufant is my least liked player on the entire team. 

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Just now, MSalmon said:

Sure. I have a feeling he gets the one year 13m unless he settles for a much less per long term deal—whichhe may not.

if Vic is gone, that pretty much puts us on the hunt for another edge guy

And if we bring Irvin back/Takk situation is ok, it buys us an offseason. Who knows, nail the rest of the LOS concerns and the coaching decisions pan out? He can ride off into a payday somewhere if need be with a SB ring. ;)

Of course, if he became more than a role player vs the pass here next season we may opt to try to keep him beyond 2019. That's the best chance for him to stay long-term as he likely wants more than where Falcons currently value him vs his UFA payday chances. Teams always overpay if they think they can use a guy; and his agent knows this.

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6 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

And if we bring Irvin back/Takk situation is ok, it buys us an offseason. Who knows, nail the rest of the LOS concerns and the coaching decisions pan out? He can ride off into a payday somewhere if need be with a SB ring. ;)

Of course, if he became more than a role player vs the pass here next season we may opt to try to keep him beyond 2019. That's the best chance for him to stay long-term as he likely wants more than where Falcons currently value him vs his UFA payday chances. Teams always overpay if they think they can use a guy; and his agent knows this.

I think that I’d keep Vic for the season. Do as you suggest bring back Irvin and go for it. Determining his market is hard when you look at 16 vs the other years. 

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Stop putting Bryant on these lists. He's as clutch as they come. Ask Chicago if they could use him.

Again, if you want to save money on ST, cut Bosher. Gets his punts blocked way too often and was ranked toward the bottom of the league last year according to PFF.

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1 hour ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

All five are on my cut list along with Fusco, Bosher, Ortiz, Zimmer and Neal. That frees up $39.7M in 2019. Even more if we designate Shredder as a Post June 1 cut.

Neal?  cut?

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10 minutes ago, stizz said:

Stop putting Bryant on these lists. He's as clutch as they come. Ask Chicago if they could use him.

Again, if you want to save money on ST, cut Bosher. Gets his punts blocked way too often and was ranked toward the bottom of the league last year according to PFF.

Yep. Bother and others should go first. Only way I see cutting Bryant is end of preseason other than injury. Even then it’s a big gamble which can cost games and jobs. 

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11 minutes ago, MSalmon said:

I think that I’d keep Vic for the season. Do as you suggest bring back Irvin and go for it. Determining his market is hard when you look at 16 vs the other years. 

Agreed. Also, if we were to push too hard on a 'really' team friendly deal it could hurt next offseason negotiations if he were to go off. So much uncertainty with him right now.

I think a reasonable contract now is okay to lower his 2019 and 2020 cap hits from said $13ish, but I don't know that idea vs market if he went off. He probably bets on himself and takes the option. We then have to keep his option to get opportunity at compensatory pick.

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4 hours ago, Geneaut said:

https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2019/1/17/18183589/5-possible-atlanta-falcons-roster-cuts-to-keep-an-eye-on-robert-alford-ryan-schraeder

It’s not the most fun part of the offseason, but every year, the Falcons make cuts. In a league where a single bad year can get you the axe and cap space is at a premium no matter how much it increases, good players (or at least formerly good players) are going to hit the bricks.

We’ll dive in on each of these players in the weeks ahead, but for now, here’s a look at some of big name potential cuts for this football team that you’ll want to monitor closely this spring and summer.

T Ryan Schraeder
Let’s take a moment and appreciate what Schraeder has accomplished as an undrafted free agent. He was a part-time starter in 2013 and 2014 before taking over full-time at right tackle in 2015 and not looking back. He put together a three season run as a terrific offensive lineman before the wheels came off in a major way in 2018, and for a dude who had to claw and fight just to make the team in the first place, that’s extremely impressive.

At minimum, though, the Falcons are likely going to approach Schraeder about a re-structure. By cutting him in 2019, they’ll save $5.2 million and suffer a dead cap hit of $2.5 million this year and $1.2 million next year, and that money could go toward other needs along the offensive line. Schraeder will be 31 this year, which is not necessarily a sign that his career is winding down, but he’s coming off a 2018 where he was benched for and outplayed by Ty Sambrailo, which is a massive red flag. Unless there was a lurking injury the Falcons are aware of and we aren’t, he feels like a mortal lock to be re-doing his deal or seeking a starting job elsewhere.

Who would replace him? Chances are good the Falcons will draft a tackle or lean on Ty Sambrailo for a year, though the latter will have to re-sign.

DE Brooks Reed
Reed has been a valuable rotational defensive end since joining the Falcons all the way back in 2015, but the returns haven’t been truly stellar. Reed is rock solid against the run but is an iffy pass rusher, and he’s heading into his age 32 season with seven sacks (and, to be fair, 18 quarterback hits) in his last three seasons. The Falcons can save $3.9 million against a dead money hit of less than $1 million if they part ways with him in 2019, and with the defensive end position delivering a couple of disappointing seasons in a row in general, they’d likely be wise to do so. Reed is a free agent in 2020, however, so it’s possible the Falcons keep him around as a veteran bridge regardless of what they do at the position.


Quite simply, they don’t have a replacement for him on the roster today, so we’ll see how free agency and the draft shake out.

DE Vic Beasley
I don’t think the Falcons will outright cut Beasley, but stranger things have happened. He’s staring at a fifth year option worth $12.8 million, an exorbitant total for a player who had one of the worst seasons of any Falcon in 2018. You keep waiting for things to click for Beasley, a tremendous athlete with great speed and bursts of impressive production, but he keeps getting washed out of plays and failing to make an impact as a pass rusher. If the team is serious about revamping both lines, they simply can’t pay Beasley that money.

That said, Dan Quinn had indicated they’d like to keep Beasley around, because he’s only 27 and he’s still shown flashes of being the player Atlanta hoped they were getting with a top ten pick. Axing him would save them nearly $13 million outright, but I expect the Falcons to try to talk extension with Beasley, getting him something incentive-heavy that lands closer to what Brooks Reed is making now than what Beasley himself is supposed to make in 2019. If that fails, don’t be stunned if the team moves on.

CB Robert Alford
There isn’t a more obvious cut candidate on this list than Robert Alford. Full stop.

Start with his 2018 season, which was his worst since probably 2013 or 2014. Alford still made plays—he’s too good not to—but in between there were stretches of awful coverage, paired with the penalties you can excuse when he’s playing well and are magnified when he’s not. Alford is going to be 30 heading into 2019, and the dropoff from a great 2017 to 2018 was so dramatic that you’re worried about his future if he wasn’t nursing a secret injury.

Even if Alford played reasonably well in 2018, though, his contract leaves him in danger. The Falcons can save $7.9 million against $1.2 million in dead money by cutting him this year, with $8.5 million in savings versus $600,000 in dead money in 2020. That’s easily the most the Falcons will be able to save by cutting a single player in this spring or summer outside of Vic Beasley, and Alford’s 2018 won’t help his case.

Finally, consider the team’s own rhetoric. The Falcons just drafted Isaiah Oliver in the second round, Brian Poole is an affordable restricted free agent in 2019, and Blidi Wreh-Wilson has been good enough in limited duty to return on another affordable, one year deal. Yet the team is openly talking about cornerback as a position they need to address. Given that Desmond Trufant’s contract and second half improvement make him virtually uncuttable heading into this season, there’s only one player in that cornerbacks corps who the team could be thinking about replacing with an early round selection.

Unless the team finds a way to work out a re-structure that dramatically reduces him cap hit, I think it’s basically destined to happen. I really hope Alford can catch on with another team and fare well, because I think up until last year he was chronically underrated and underappreciated in Atlanta.

The Falcons will still have Trufant, Oliver and Poole in place even if they don’t make any additions at the position, and it’s a mortal lock that they will add. They should be fine next year one way or the other.

K Matt Bryant
Every time we add Bryant to a list like this, it looks foolish in hindsight. This year, Bryant was good as ever when healthy, so there’s no real compelling reason to cut him.

That said, there are reasons he belongs on a list of potential cuts, even if I sincerely hope it doesn’t happen. The first is the Falcons signing Giorgio Tavecchio to a two year deal in 2018 and holding on to him even when Bryant was healthy, which is at least vaguely ominous. The second is Bryant’s 2018 injuries, which only cost him three games but limited him in at least one other. Given that he’ll be 44 years old in 2019, I doubt anyone in Flowery Branch is taking those injuries lightly.

The team would save $3 million or so against $1.3 million in dead money in 2019, and would save $3.5 million vs. $666,668 in 2020 if they were to move on. There’s no urgency to do so if the team believes Bryant will stay healthy and effective, and frankly he’s done nothing in recent years to suggest that he won’t keep kicking like the ageless wonder he is well into the back half of his 40s. It’s possible that Tavecchio is just hanging around as insurance until the start of the season for Atlanta, but I do know one thing: The Falcons aren’t going to hang on to two kickers again for the whole of the 2019 season.

You may ask where a handful of players are, including Mohamed Sanu. The reality is that Sanu is a very productive member of the offense, and while the Falcons will save $4.6 million by cutting him, they have little incentive to do so with a cap crunch not looming. That may change in 2020, when the team can part ways with Sanu (or re-structure him, if he’s amenable) to save $6.5 million, but I think he’s safe for this year. Others like Devonta Freeman and Desmond Trufant were laid low by injury or a shaky half year, but the team will actually lose money by cutting tem this year due to the structure of their deals.

All of them will either NOT be back with Falcons are on a reduced contract....

Love Bryant, but in a win now league, the value prop is to use his $$ towards half the rookie pool.

Extend Beasley on a 3 year deal. Give him guaranteed money and let him be rotational piece at Brooks Reed $$$

As for Reed, he didn’t see much time this year and his veteran leadership may be missing now. The cap savings will help us along with Bryant’s in paying all our rookies.

Schraeder and Alford are no brainers. Both are overpaid and saw significant drops in quality of play. Their cap savings can go towards a significant upgrade piece on the OL (ie RT) and bring back Bruce Irvin on a solid vet deal.

Once we extend Julio and Jarrett we will still have about $15 million to look for a good OG and depth pieces in FA

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3 hours ago, Vandy said:

And Trufant wouldn’t?

you guys who’ve been touting Alf as some sort of elite corner need to let it go. He’s proven you dead wrong. 

 

2 hours ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

I’ve never understood the hate for Trufant and the love for Alford. It’s so stupid. 

Also, cutting Bryant would be a very bad idea if he’s healthy and can still kick. Having a great kicker is super important 

 

3 hours ago, Stryka said:

Trufant is the sticker, less penalized guy.  Just with stone hands.  I like Alford when he is on but even then he gets too many penalties and does way too much grabbing.  His hands have been unreliable lately as well.  How many picks have either had in the last 2 years.  Id bed Kazee had more picks this year than Alford and Trufant have combined for the last 2 years.  Its shameful.

 

3 hours ago, Ergo Proxy said:

Trufant can't be moved.

 

Game winning pick 6 against the Redskins. Pick 6 against Brady in the Super Bowl. Game winning interception against the Panthers last season to seal our playoff spot last season. Alford has made bigger plays when it matters most the past few years and he's shorter than Trufant with a lot more effort. 2017 was the best year of Alford's career when everyone else on the defensive unit was healthy while Trufant started declining. 2 post season starts in 1 season for Trufant since he's been a Falcon in 2013, what has Trufant done significant for the Falcons when it counts most?

 

Since his season ending injury in 2016 Tru has done nothing for us as much as people don't want to admit it. This reminds me of when I kept trying to warn people about Beasley's inconsistencies before people started realizing how mediocre he had always been by 2018. Yes, Trufant did make the pro bowl in 2015, but he hasn't done anything ever since. I mean, Beasley had a pro bowl caliber year in 2016 (thanks to Dwight Freeney's leadership) and he hasn't done anything ever since either. 

 

I'm not saying Alford is close to an elite corner like a Sherman or Norman, but NEITHER has Trufant played close to that level either and paying him big money in 2017 was beyond dumb IMO. Alford stayed healthy in 2016. Alford has made the bigger plays and he had the better season in 2017. In 2018 Trufant and Alford have been about the same but from what I remember, Trufant had a lot more burned coverages and dropped INT's. 

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Alford has never been the best with technique and Trufant is probably not as well suited as a CB in Quinn's system.

That said, they stay on their sides of the field. Tru simply can't be moved.

Tru is 27. Non-cuttable. Who would trade for him and what would his cap hit remain like anyway here? Alford is cuttable and 30.

Just the facts even if you wanted to argue player vs player. Tru is more reliant on technique; to a fault and limits his play on the ball. Gets played more than he should for his price. Alford just straight up sucked almost all of 2018.

Can't cut one. Can cut the other.

Easy decision if Rocky doesn't re-structure. Sober views folks.

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Posting highlights of plays that Alford has made in his career doesn’t prove he’s the better player. Trufant was EASILY the better corner this season, especially the 2nd half of the season. Outside of 2017, Alford has averaged over a penalty per game. He hurts the team more often then he makes a big time play. Trufant isn’t a play making corner, that’s not his game. 

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2 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Because he sucks and stays injured.

No just kidding. Ryan Neal.

Lol I didn't know we had a ryan neal on the roster. Thanks

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2 hours ago, Cole World said:

I'm pretty sure he's talking about Ryan Neal.

 

Thanks. Haven't heard of him. Didn't even know we had him on the roster. 

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32 minutes ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

Posting highlights of plays that Alford has made in his career doesn’t prove he’s the better player. Trufant was EASILY the better corner this season, especially the 2nd half of the season. Outside of 2017, Alford has averaged over a penalty per game. He hurts the team more often then he makes a big time play. Trufant isn’t a play making corner, that’s not his game. 

Exactly. And coming back as a slot corner when we have 2 possible NCB in Kazee/Rico and a 3rd if RFA Poole comes back and no one offers something we don't match?

Only reason to bring Alford back for RCB; even with a massive pay cut, is if you don't believe in Oliver.

Hey, maybe Oliver isn't ready and Rocky bounces back? It's only worth it if he takes a pay cut due to our critical offseason needs along the LOS. Last year he was a liability. Fix the LOS he may be fine again without having to cover forever.

I'd like Rocky back for the right price. LOS money can't be limited by keeping him at the current rate. Hey, restructure Tru as well to save on cap space! But only one guy is at a place his contract + age suggests he may be done here. Why else draft Oliver in round 2 a year ago? Groom 1 more year? Okay.

I still can't believe VB sits as the 4th highest paid Falcon towards 2019 cap at the moment.

I know this will change even if he stays on his option due to Grady, etc.

This is just the reality of drafting well. You need to in order to let go of marginal veterans that are overpriced.

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