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What happens to beasely, trufant and Bryant

The fate of Trufannt and Beasely?   120 members have voted

  1. 1. Cut Trufant

    • Yes. Bye bye bye
      19
    • No
      39
    • Restructure
      62
  2. 2. Cut beasely

    • Yes. Bye bye bye
      49
    • No. Give him the 12
      13
    • No. I really have crazy thoughts he'll do 5/year.
      58
  3. 3. Cut bryant

    • Yes. Age and injuries are an issue
      52
    • No. He thinks he can do it. Let him. We honor him like he honored us
      65

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We are obviously letting Beasley hit the open market, and will probably offer him a fair contract. Obviously with how high demand ends are odds are some team over pays for him and we lose him. I think it will come down to loyalty, and I actually think Vic is one of the rare guys that actually cares about stuff like that so I think we have a shot at keeping him though in my mind I'd put his odds at around 30% he stays. 

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Financially, Trufant will not get cut or traded. Too high a cost.

To me, Beasley is a supplementary pass rusher and should be paid as such. Although I imagine he wants more $ than that. 

With Tavecchio being kept on the roster, I wonder if Bryant has expressed thoughts of retirement and Atlanta have their replacement lined up.

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24 minutes ago, falconsd56 said:

He plays so soft because that is what that particular defense calls for

No it isn't he is just soft as a pillow. He gives that 10 yard cushion because he is not confident in challenging the wr and plays very conservative/passive. He rather not get beat over the top but lose by 100 paper cuts.

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I'll play the game with some add-ons

Trufant stays Alford goes as they both last season played at about the same level last year and finincal Alford contract adds more to the pot and is designed to be a lot more cut friendly.

Resign Beasley 4 year extension on top of 5th year and my cap # for next year for him would be around 6.5-7 Million still thinking he's capable of averaging 8 sacks a year and impact player with proper handling Rush Ends of him, Irvin, and Mckinnley is solid 

Resign Jarrett of Course and Resign B.Irvin something along the 5-7 million per year for 2-3 years

Resign Sambrillo on a 1-2 year deal let him come into camp with opportunity to win th RT job outright risky but your hoping that he maybe is finally maximuming talent to be decent RT

Sucks but cut Bryant tough decision but other kicker looked pretty good and that money would help greatly in other areas

Extend Julio 2 more years on top of existing 2 year maybe this saves a million or so off of 2019 cap depending on structure.

Cut Schareder, Reed, Alfords, Bryant & Extending Beasley adds about 28.75 Million to the Cap next year overall that give us about 51 Million to play with which would be plenty to do all mentioned plus still have enough to target a Guard in FA, and some depth pieces and draft while retaining a rainy day fund

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It comes down to having a solution in place before letting a guy go. Big reason I think trufant is the safest of the 3.

With Beasley it depends if he agrees woth what the Falcons think he is worth. They will set a price and let him make a decision.

bryant is a little tougher, because he is so darn good, but hard to believe they did have a plan with keeping Italian ice on the 53 all season. Maybe they did it because Bryant wasn’t sure if his future, maybe the did because the Falcons weren’t sure...who knows 

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4 hours ago, JDaveG said:

Trufant isn't going anywhere, and not just because he is too expensive to cut.  He improved over the back half of the season (i.e., when Quinn was running the defense).  He's going to be fine.

I'm in between keep Vic for $12 million next season and I think he'll take $5 million.  Restructure Vic and pay him in that 2nd tier of pass rushers area.  Perhaps with performance incentives and escalators.

As much as it pains me, cut Matt Bryant and let Italian Ice take over.  He can still kick, but honestly, great teams move on too soon rather than too late.  We're already pushing too late.

Maybe as part of his offseason regimen the coaching staff can consider getting him a nad implant. There were times where he may as well have been wearing a ****ing tootoo and slippers out there. Friggin' embarrassing.

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7 minutes ago, Pacific_Falcon said:

Maybe as part of his offseason regimen the coaching staff can consider getting him a nad implant. There were times where he may as well have been wearing a ****ing tootoo and slippers out there. Friggin' embarrassing.

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5 hours ago, Lornoth said:

Tru doesn't make sense to cut this year. It saves us little and makes us find yet another starting CB. See if he improves this year when he's not playing next to Joe Dirt at LB'er and Helen Keller at SS.

Bryant will either retire or be retained, we're not cutting him at this point. My money's on retirement though. 

Vic's the one I'm not sure what happens. I'd like them to sign him to a long term deal. It won't be 5/per but it won't be 12/per either. He's not JJ Watt that can do it all but he can be used.

you win today just for the "Joe Dirt and Helen Keller" statement.....I had to clean my screen to be able to post this, well played sir, well played! :lol:

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4 hours ago, Lornoth said:

I liked Sam Baker better than who we immediately replaced him with, which is the point. We don't have a Jake Matthews in the wings to replace Tru, we have Lamar Holmes'. 

This. Also what is the point of cutting him. Let's say it had zero impact on our cap. Who are we gonna bring in to do his job, whether starting or backup, for  Zero cap hit? It's stupid to think he could be cut. 

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Neither Alford or Tru are going anywhere. We lost both safeties and fired our DC. Tru isn't going based on dead cap alone. Also Alford has played by far the most total snaps on this team since DQ got here 99+%on defense and 35% on St. In 2017 Alford had as many St snaps as Duke Riley. Now u cut Alford not only do you have to bring in a vet for 9m in this market to start for you, but you give up a roster spot for a St back up player. Nobody that I'm aware of has ever given Alford props for saving us a roster spot.

And no I am not Robert Alford, or his mother. His play was atrocious, but that atrocious play is an anomaly since DQ arrived. He will return to form with the safeties back.

Trufants penchant for playing 2 hand touch against rbs is far more of a liability, and is a weakness that Rico hid by his play.

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5 minutes ago, E. T. said:

Resign Tru to what he's worth.

Give VB the 12.

Give Bryant 1 more season.

Please sell me on giving VB 12.8m next year. I'd rather have Bobby Massie and saffold for that.

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10 minutes ago, E. T. said:

Resign Tru to what he's worth.

Give VB the 12.

Give Bryant 1 more season.

Please sell me on giving VB 12.8m next year. I'd rather have Bobby Massie and saffold for that.

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4 hours ago, falcons007 said:

Like our safeties, LB and DL attempted. Lol. The whole 2018 Falcons defense is an example of how bad the whole team was against the run. Funny Trufant had more stops in run defense than other QB, may be he does tackle. TATF has habit of holding one missed play as something which happens all the time.

Only difference is Trufant has been a starter, and the safeties,mlb were never meant to play meaningful snaps. He's also getting Julio Jones money. That would be like paying Julio to also not catch passes

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2 hours ago, 1989Fan said:

It comes down to having a solution in place before letting a guy go. Big reason I think trufant is the safest of the 3.

With Beasley it depends if he agrees woth what the Falcons think he is worth. They will set a price and let him make a decision.

bryant is a little tougher, because he is so darn good, but hard to believe they did have a plan with keeping Italian ice on the 53 all season. Maybe they did it because Bryant wasn’t sure if his future, maybe the did because the Falcons weren’t sure...who knows 

Id like to move on from bosher. Would be nice to bring in a punter that had the ability to attempt those 50+ yd attempts. Obviously no punter is going to be great at that, but making Bryant give every ounce of leg practicing from 55 is going to make him Matty ICY-HOT, from the recurring hamstring injuries. But even he would prefer the name over Matty BENGAY.

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3 minutes ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

Please sell me on giving VB 12.8m next year. I'd rather have Bobby Massie and saffold for that.

Well unless we get a substantial upgrade by FA to give him that money, What other options are there? Hopefully with Quinn taking over the defense, maybe he'll work with Beasley and put him in a better position to be successful. Time will tell.

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5 minutes ago, E. T. said:

Well unless we get a substantial upgrade by FA to give him that money, What other options are there? Hopefully with Quinn taking over the defense, maybe he'll work with Beasley and put him in a better position to be successful. Time will tell.

I really don't know his true value to the team other than it isn't as a sack specialist. Maybe he keeps mobile QBs from destroying us as a SPY? I THINK 4/30 is his ceiling in f.a. anyway. There may be a team that sees him as a 3-4 olb, but I think they will be disappointed if so. I'd roll with giving means his snaps before I give him 12.8 though. 

Where do you think Tru value is? Lol. Next to pep boys? What do you think his worth, and Alford value is if both hit f.a. this year? Genuine question not smart *** rhetorical

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Vic could be replaced with a potted plant or an orange cone and you would get more production.

Give him more money and time????????????????????

 

 

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1 hour ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

I really don't know his true value to the team other than it isn't as a sack specialist. Maybe he keeps mobile QBs from destroying us as a SPY? I THINK 4/30 is his ceiling in f.a. anyway. There may be a team that sees him as a 3-4 olb, but I think they will be disappointed if so. I'd roll with giving means his snaps before I give him 12.8 though. 

Where do you think Tru value is? Lol. Next to pep boys? What do you think his worth, and Alford value is if both hit f.a. this year? Genuine question not smart *** rhetorical

If Beasley can work on technique and learn to shed blocks, mixed with his speed, I can see him making more of an impact. I've been watching him closely, his game has declined soooo bad that I feel nobody with a good skillset in the position is actually working with him to improve his game. It's like coaches are just letting him play strictly off of raw talent. This is where I hope DQ can have an impact on him. Bottom line, Beasley needs to have a seriously good training program this off season. He desperately needs to work on his craft.

As far as Tru…. he's been a disappointment all around ever since his return from injury in 2017. As a vet, I really thought him and Alford would step up. But so did the team. 

I honestly don't know what to think or do about Tru or Alford. Until we have a solid replacement, we will have to ride with them. I'm hoping Oliver matures nicely to fill part of that void and roll with a FA vet in the near future.

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I can see Alford going to make room for Oliver, but Tru will have to stay for now. Also Kazee should be a nice NB option once allen is back.

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15 hours ago, E. T. said:

If Beasley can work on technique and learn to shed blocks, mixed with his speed, I can see him making more of an impact. I've been watching him closely, his game has declined soooo bad that I feel nobody with a good skillset in the position is actually working with him to improve his game. It's like coaches are just letting him play strictly off of raw talent. This is where I hope DQ can have an impact on him. Bottom line, Beasley needs to have a seriously good training program this off season. He desperately needs to work on his craft.

As far as Tru…. he's been a disappointment all around ever since his return from injury in 2017. As a vet, I really thought him and Alford would step up. But so did the team. 

I honestly don't know what to think or do about Tru or Alford. Until we have a solid replacement, we will have to ride with them. I'm hoping Oliver matures nicely to fill part of that void and roll with a FA vet in the near future.

Agree on everything. But 12.8 m is a bit much for a 5th yr project at d.e.? He has elite speed, but without any countermove it's easy to defend against him. Seems like Irvin may be able to work with him some but he is no technician himself.

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15 hours ago, 1989Fan said:

I can see Alford going to make room for Oliver, but Tru will have to stay for now. Also Kazee should be a nice NB option once allen is back.

Actually think Allen will play nb and kazee stay at fault where he will have more opportunities for picks

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1 hour ago, ATLSlobberKnockers said:

Agree on everything. But 12.8 m is a bit much for a 5th yr project at d.e.? He has elite speed, but without any countermove it's easy to defend against him. Seems like Irvin may be able to work with him some but he is no technician himself.

Agree. Beasley's best season he was opposite Freeney. No doubt in my mind Freeney was an influence. It's a no brainer what Beasley's issues are.

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Trufant’s contract means he stays. Alford likely gets cut. Ideally he’d be restructured and would be moved to nickel. He’s better on the slot than outside, imo. 

Beasley hits the market and 50-50 he comes back. Same player as Irvin but Irvin is more consistent. 

I’d cut both Bryant and Bosher. Can’t have nearly $6 million in kickers on a team with this many needs and that will need $$ for free agents. 

Reed is gone. Richards gone. Riley gone. Fusco gone. Levitre gone/retired. Hardy gone. Shelby gone. McClain gone. Schraeder will be a June 1 cut. Coleman gone as free agent. Ortiz gone. Hill is 50-50. I’d say goodbye to Garland - stand up guy, good story, but can’t play beyond a quarter or two if a starter gets hurt. Just not a NFL caliber guard. 

My guess is about 30% of the 53 man roster gets turned over. Sounds high but that’s what happens when your lines get repeatedly beaten up/humiliated and you go 7-9 and you turn over a big chunk of your staff.

 

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