since68andcounting Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 This was the quote from Rankin Smith when we hired "Swamp Fox" Marion Campbell for the second time. Frankly, it was corporate spin BS and everyone knew it. The Falcons were a train wreck at that point and NOBODY wanted the job. After multiple turn-downs by guys we wanted, the franchise had to save face somehow. So they grabbed a guy they knew wouldn't refuse. The results were about equivalent to the first go round, about a .300 W/L record. I'm not saying that's exactly the same situation as now. We've got talent, and there are certainly a lot of OCs who would love to coach Matt, Julio, Freeman, and cast. But evidently Kubiak wasn't one of them. And something in the back of my mind tells me I've seen this before. Something tells me that we got the guy we settled on, not the guy we really wanted. The other possibility is Matt just put his foot down and said "**** no, I'm not learning another offensive play call system at this stage of my career". Which, if true, in some ways, I respect him for it. And maybe this will all work out ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 What's so special about Kubiak? He left the game because his health couldn't handle it now wants to come back in a lesser capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geneaut Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) People over-reacted to all the Kubiak hullabaloo. I'm not sure he was really ever in play. Dirk is 10X the OC that Marion was an HC. Edited January 9, 2019 by Geneaut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUsualStuff Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 We are the Falcons. This is what we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The O.D.B Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 22 minutes ago, since68andcounting said: This was the quote from Rankin Smith when we hired "Swamp Fox" Marion Campbell for the second time. Frankly, it was corporate spin BS and everyone knew it. The Falcons were a train wreck at that point and NOBODY wanted the job. After multiple turn-downs by guys we wanted, the franchise had to save face somehow. So they grabbed a guy they knew wouldn't refuse. The results were about equivalent to the first go round, about a .300 W/L record. I'm not saying that's exactly the same situation as now. We've got talent, and there are certainly a lot of OCs who would love to coach Matt, Julio, Freeman, and cast. But evidently Kubiak wasn't one of them. And something in the back of my mind tells me I've seen this before. Something tells me that we got the guy we settled on, not the guy we really wanted. The other possibility is Matt just put his foot down and said "**** no, I'm not learning another offensive play call system at this stage of my career". Which, if true, in some ways, I respect him for it. And maybe this will all work out ok. I'm not super excited about it either, not against it, just not excited. We settled but, we got the best available to us. Kubiak may have never happened and waiting/hoping for him would waste time and at that point we'd be settling for left overs as all the better coaches would've been hired. DQ Mentioned wanting to talk to coaches involved in the post season. I believe those post season guys are the two from the Rams and I don't believe DQ expected people to be interviewing them for HC jobs. I think the one he wanted to speak with was Zac Taylor and Taylor has interviewed for at least 2 HC jobs. Waiting for anyone could've been catastrophic so they made the best move possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papachaz Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 according to an interview I just watched (in another thread) Quinn said he didn't know if Matt was even aware. Although honestly that seemed to be a 'sidestep' answer to being asked if Matt had much if any input.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOI Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Well, what else might be going on is that potential candidates may see that Dan Quinn is in a situation where he may not have a job in a year if things go bad. It makes it hard for the Falcons to attract the coaches they may want to hire. I don't think it's that bad of a hire with Koetter. There was success before with him and I agree with an earlier post, Matt may have put his foot down and said no mas! And what type of success did Gary Kubiak have in his career prior to the Super Bowl win with him has a head coach? I'm honestly asking because I don't know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUsualStuff Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, papachaz said: according to an interview I just watched (in another thread) Quinn said he didn't know if Matt was even aware. Although honestly that seemed to be a 'sidestep' answer to being asked if Matt had much if any input.... Quinn also said we were in no hurry and he wanted to interview people still involved in the playoffs. ---------- It feels like we saw people being hired and Koetter being considered for other jobs and panicked. He might have been the guy we ended up with anyway, but it does seem we were rushed and worried someone may have grabbed him before us..... or it's just that Quinn is a pahological liar.. who knows, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 The difference between the re-hire of Marion Campbell and the re-hire of Dirk Koetter? Campbell never proved he would win anything. And I don't mean Campbell didn't prove he could win consistently. I mean he literally never had a winning record. Ever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Campbell#Head_coaching_record Koetter is miles ahead of that as an offensive coordinator. The comparison is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 30 minutes ago, SOI said: Well, what else might be going on is that potential candidates may see that Dan Quinn is in a situation where he may not have a job in a year if things go bad. It makes it hard for the Falcons to attract the coaches they may want to hire. I don't think it's that bad of a hire with Koetter. There was success before with him and I agree with an earlier post, Matt may have put his foot down and said no mas! And what type of success did Gary Kubiak have in his career prior to the Super Bowl win with him has a head coach? I'm honestly asking because I don't know... Kubiak ran successful offenses in Houston, and before that he won 2 Super Bowls as the OC for Mike Shanahan's Broncos. Just before winning the Super Bowl as a HC for Denver (his 3rd with that team), he resurrected the Ravens' flagging offense. He's as solid as they come. But he isn't available, so we had to pick from among those who were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B.N. Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 37 minutes ago, papachaz said: according to an interview I just watched (in another thread) Quinn said he didn't know if Matt was even aware. Although honestly that seemed to be a 'sidestep' answer to being asked if Matt had much if any input.... Yeah and on 92.9 they reported DQ said that Matt had basically no input in who next OC would be. It’s basically just a lazy hire cuz there’s “familiarity” between Koetter & Ryan I guess. This notion that Matt pulled so hard to get Koetter here is hogwash. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geneaut Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, JDaveG said: The difference between the re-hire of Marion Campbell and the re-hire of Dirk Koetter? Campbell never proved he would win anything. And I don't mean Campbell didn't prove he could win consistently. I mean he literally never had a winning record. Ever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Campbell#Head_coaching_record Koetter is miles ahead of that as an offensive coordinator. The comparison is ridiculous. Agreed. Dirk's offense has been successful in the NFL. Marion never had success as a HC ( though he wasn't a terrible DC ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewcrew Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 55 minutes ago, SOI said: Well, what else might be going on is that potential candidates may see that Dan Quinn is in a situation where he may not have a job in a year if things go bad. It makes it hard for the Falcons to attract the coaches they may want to hire. There aren't many coaches in the league that aren't one bad season away from getting canned. 25% of the teams fired their coaches this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTCrunkler Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 we never had a shot at kubiak... who else in the playoffs could we have waited to target? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kschreck Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Jesus said: What's so special about Kubiak? He left the game because his health couldn't handle it now wants to come back in a lesser capacity. Because when we obsess over someone on these boards, we go all in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockerfalcon Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I thought Denver was blocking all kubiak interviews, did we or any team for that matter ever have a legit shot at him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcndave Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 minute ago, shockerfalcon said: I thought Denver was blocking all kubiak interviews, did we or any team for that matter ever have a legit shot at him? You are correct. Currently, he's not available and there is only speculation beyond that. The speculation is that if Denver hired an offensive minded HC, they may make Kubiak available based on how the new HC wanted the offense coordinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukeduke211 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, SOI said: Well, what else might be going on is that potential candidates may see that Dan Quinn is in a situation where he may not have a job in a year if things go bad. It makes it hard for the Falcons to attract the coaches they may want to hire. I don't think it's that bad of a hire with Koetter. There was success before with him and I agree with an earlier post, Matt may have put his foot down and said no mas! And what type of success did Gary Kubiak have in his career prior to the Super Bowl win with him has a head coach? I'm honestly asking because I don't know... Agreed. Not much job security at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, since68andcounting said: This was the quote from Rankin Smith when we hired "Swamp Fox" Marion Campbell for the second time. Frankly, it was corporate spin BS and everyone knew it. The Falcons were a train wreck at that point and NOBODY wanted the job. After multiple turn-downs by guys we wanted, the franchise had to save face somehow. So they grabbed a guy they knew wouldn't refuse. The results were about equivalent to the first go round, about a .300 W/L record. I'm not saying that's exactly the same situation as now. We've got talent, and there are certainly a lot of OCs who would love to coach Matt, Julio, Freeman, and cast. But evidently Kubiak wasn't one of them. And something in the back of my mind tells me I've seen this before. Something tells me that we got the guy we settled on, not the guy we really wanted. The other possibility is Matt just put his foot down and said "**** no, I'm not learning another offensive play call system at this stage of my career". Which, if true, in some ways, I respect him for it. And maybe this will all work out ok. Question. What should you do if the person you want isn't available/doesn't want to work for you? Don't forget this is musical chairs. You don't want to be the one without a chair when the music stops. Other teams are hiring new coaches and building their staffs. Wait too long and the good candidates will all be gone.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, papachaz said: according to an interview I just watched (in another thread) Quinn said he didn't know if Matt was even aware. Although honestly that seemed to be a 'sidestep' answer to being asked if Matt had much if any input.... DQ was sly on that question. He said Matt wasn’t aware today of agreement. Didn’t mean that he wasn’t involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, WhenFalconsWin said: The Falcons offense in the hands of the right playcsller...but alas, it was not meant to be. Honestly it's hard to get upset about the decision. I have no control over it. Just go out and win dammmit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHEADCOACH Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) Matt Ryan seems to Excel with any offense they give him. I still think he made Sark look better than he was, i believe there was more to the story, and why he isn't still here. Also, Matt says he likes to be coached hard and be pushed to new levels. Which anyone who has ever watched him, Will have no trouble believing that. That's the Ryan we know. Dude is always trying to improve. So I don't believe Matt would be afraid of running any offense at this point. I believe he would jump into any offense with no problem and say no let's do this. All that said, if Quinn didn't even talk to Matt Ryan about potential OC's, especially one's he's already played for. Quinn is a **** fool. No way he just hired anyone without talking to his QB. He dang sure can't base it on what he's heard Matt say about him, Matt doesn't talk bad about anyone. Im gonna role with Matt had input on this., because i don't want to believe Quinn is that stupid. Edited January 9, 2019 by THEHEADCOACH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 In all honestly we should have held on to Kutty when DQ was hired, but it was understandable that DQ wanted his own guy. Kutty and this offense will put up points, what we need is for DQ to shore up the defense. I get it that everyone has a Gary Kubiak fetish, but he is one heart attack away from retiring for good and the stress of being an OC can't be that good for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryka Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I want to get back to those fast starts we had in 2016. I know we may not be going up 30 to 7 but a 2 score lead puts so much pressure on a defense it makes them search for plays to be made which means mistakes. It also means our defense gets to pin its ears back and get after the QB. That's 90% of the reason why Vic Beasley had 15.5 sacks. We had substantial leads in 3/4 of the games. Koetter provides that opportunity as he is not one to come off the gas. I like him conceptually because it means we will add on to leads instead of trying to salt games away. Quinn however seems more caught in between wanting a tough physical defensive team as opposed to a powerhouse offensive squad. He is trying to find that balance and I think when you blend a Knapp, with Koetter and Mularkey along with himself, you may see more balance due to contrasting ideologies. Lets hope for the best but I really believe that having a lot of "chiefs" can be beneficial with the right "Indians". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 1. Historically, have Kubiaks offenses greatly outperformed Koetters? Why is he so much better other than he ran a similar scheme to shanny? 2. Was Kubiak ever in play? Y’all wanted him to be but Elway said no, and Kubiak never public expressed any interest either. It takes two... 3. DK wasn’t “down the hall”, he was coaching a rival that seemed to take us to the limit when we played despite much less roster talent. 4. We complain that we don’t want Ryan to have to keep starting over, so why is an issue bringing back an OC that he had great rapport with, that allowed him to run no huddle and audible AND schemed Ryan to great success (2 of his 4 pro bowls) i am convinced no matter who the hire was it wouldn’t be good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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