gazoo Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Stryka said: Saubert is coming along. He is a project and a 5th round pick. Guys around here are spoiled because TD and Quinn have nailed so many late round picks it feels like Saubert is behind(Grady, Kazee, Foye). He isnt. He is a Small school guy who was basically asked at Drake to be a downfield threat. Falcons will have him do so much more. He has to continue to learn. He needs more PT and I feel indubitably he will be much more productive and a bigger threat than our last couple of 1 dimensional blocking TEs in the future. You nailed it Stryka. I also place a gigantic value on a TE who can block, get rdownfield and catch. They are invaluable. Hooper is already that guy, even is a Pro Bowl alternate. His blocking g is part of the reason he made pro bowl. Some here claim he didn’t deserve Pro Bowl because all they do is look at his receiving stats. Saubert is coming along. I saw him flash in camp, play mostly special teams early on and get a lot of snaps on offense toward end of season. I watched him very closely and could see the lights turning on for him in blocking. I already know he can catch, he was #2 in college football in receiving and TDs his last year. I don’t expect him to be a 1000 yard 10 TD guy, not even close. He will be invaluable here if he can continue developing as a blocker and get 250 yards receiving and 3 or 4 TDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 hours ago, gazoo said: Saubert had 178 snaps on offense and 292 more snaps on STs this year. The 178 snaps on offense were good for just under 17% of our total offensive snaps. Did you not watch any of the games? Saubert also was turning heads in training camp, drawing praise from DQ, Dave Archer and many fans here who were posting from practice. Point being, he is an emerging player and I’ve been watching him very closely on those 178 offensive snaps. That just raises the question of why he hasn't gotten more snaps? I like his potential and athletic ability but you just have to wonder why he didn't get more snaps this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 9 hours ago, TheDirtyWordII said: I think Hooper has been ‘OK’...but I actually think 2019 becomes make/break for him with regard to whether the Falcons sign him long term. For me, jury is still out. Saubert is treading water...but after a lot of buzz thru September, he really didn’t do much. Ultimately, if DQ was pleased with TE progress, wouldn’t he have kept the coach. Hooper just needs to clean up the drops a little bit. I think another strong offseason of working 1-on-1 with Matt Ryan will help that. The jump Hooper made from 2017 to 2018 was miles!! He's got another jump like that in him I believe. I'm a big fan of Hooper and I think we got a keeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 46 minutes ago, Falconsfan567 said: That just raises the question of why he hasn't gotten more snaps? I like his potential and athletic ability but you just have to wonder why he didn't get more snaps this year. I just think it has to do with him having to learn (in large part) the running game and to block at NFL level. He played in a spread offense at Drake and had way more to learn than many TEs coming into the NFL. Hooper sort of broke out his 3rd season and not only was Hooper far more deevolped in run blocking and passing game against better competition coming out of college, coaches are saying he hasn’t come close to realizing his potential. in short, learning curve was huge for Saubert. Thus, progress is what I’m focused on with him while others just look at his stats and conclude he sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 56 minutes ago, gazoo said: On another thread you have been showing all kinds of excitement about Steven Means locked in at DE for the Falcons next year. Steven Means got one sack here last year. His career stats are 3 sacks in 7 seasons. Your arguments are inconsistent. If production is all that matters to you,why are you swinging from the sack of Means like a spider monkey? Lol you comparing Means production to Saubert. Steven Means out produced all Edge rushers in run defense in just 4 games. What has Saubert done? Nada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runshoot Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 14 hours ago, gazoo said: Did you not watch any of the games? Saubert also was turning heads in training camp, drawing praise from DQ, Dave Archer and many fans here who were posting from practice. You literally could swap out the name Saubert and put in the name Duke Riley and it would be the same. IE it means nothing. Hearing DQ and Dave Archer praise someone in practice is way different than someone actually being a player. Riley was all the praise in the TC and early season practice, but what did was see when we watched the games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, falcons007 said: Lol you comparing Means production to Saubert. Steven Means out produced all Edge rushers in run defense in just 4 games. What has Saubert done? Nada. You are missing my point. In 7 NFL season, Steven Means has a career 3 sacks and 26 tackles. Many here, including me, think he will be a good rotating DE for us next year. Many are excited about Means. They aren’t excited about his career stats or his 1 sack last year. They (we) are excited about his progress and potential. Now, you can say one sack is enough production to crown a 7 year player a starting DE position next year, but that one sack isn’t what has you excited about him. For Saubert, I’m excited about how much better of a blocker he became toward end of season, how much more aware of what his responsibilities were in running game assignments and how much better his technique became in run blocking. Too many of our fans ignore how important run blocking skills are for a TE. A big TE like Saubert who runs a 4.65 40, can catch the ball and block is a really big deal, even if he is just a complementary piece to our #1 TE Hooper. just as many are excited about Means despite 1 sack , I’m excited about our TE position form a 1 and 2 standpoint. If we get 1000 receiving yards, 10 TDs, 60 1st Downs and a lot of good run blocking from out 1 and 2 TEs position next year we are in awesome shape at the position as a whole. Again, the run blocking component of my projection is way bigger than most realize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 44 minutes ago, runshoot said: You literally could swap out the name Saubert and put in the name Duke Riley and it would be the same. IE it means nothing. Hearing DQ and Dave Archer praise someone in practice is way different than someone actually being a player. Riley was all the praise in the TC and early season practice, but what did was see when we watched the games? Strange , I heard DQ and Archer state in camp Duke Riley was struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runshoot Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 56 minutes ago, gazoo said: Strange , I heard DQ and Archer state in camp Duke Riley was struggling. Yeah There are tweets and media sessions where DQ says praise about Riley. Here are the first 2 to come up in goolge search as far as articles go https://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/questions-about-duke-riley-right-guard-julio-jones-running-backs-steve-sarkisian Falcons coach Dan Quinn was asked about Riley and said, “I was glad to see the progress made from Game 1 to Game 2 from a tackling standpoint he was really rock-solid, and that’s part of what we were looking for from him.” In fact, Quinn called Riley one of the “bright spots” of the game https://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/questions-about-the-falcons-roster-austin-hooper-duke-riley-preseason-play-calli Riley, according to coach Dan Quinn, has had a solid offseason. He’s heading into his second season with the team, is more comfortable with the scheme and is still developing as a player. Really I don't care about rah rah speak and all that, Riley or Saubert. What I care about is, who's call was it to leave Riley in the games (snap counts) for as long as he did? If DQ is that person then there is a much bigger problem than M Manuel. But thats a different thread and Im not attempting to hi-jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryka Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 hours ago, gazoo said: You nailed it Stryka. I also place a gigantic value on a TE who can block, get rdownfield and catch. They are invaluable. Hooper is already that guy, even is a Pro Bowl alternate. His blocking g is part of the reason he made pro bowl. Some here claim he didn’t deserve Pro Bowl because all they do is look at his receiving stats. Saubert is coming along. I saw him flash in camp, play mostly special teams early on and get a lot of snaps on offense toward end of season. I watched him very closely and could see the lights turning on for him in blocking. I already know he can catch, he was #2 in college football in receiving and TDs his last year. I don’t expect him to be a 1000 yard 10 TD guy, not even close. He will be invaluable here if he can continue developing as a blocker and get 250 yards receiving and 3 or 4 TDs. Gazoo....couldnt agree more. He took a jump from last year to this year. Most people didnt notice because as you mentioned they are stat mongers! Ugh bothers me so. Dont get me wrong, I wish I could have seen Saubert out catching passes more often as I believe you feature guys for what they do best. However, im happy they are bringing hin around as a more balanced guy. Hooper was a stud this year. **** everyone dropped a few passes they shouldnt have. Hooper was a stud at being clutch. 30 1st downs is nothing to laugh at. The blocking was impressive. People kill me by not recognizing that as probably more than half the job of a TE. Hooper was good at sealing the edge and legal crack back blocks. Penetration from inside is what killed our run game. That and the rapid depreciation of Schrader. Saubert is trending up and so is Hooper. Both took steps every year. Hooper took major steps. Saubert will follow soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Stryka said: Gazoo....couldnt agree more. He took a jump from last year to this year. Most people didnt notice because as you mentioned they are stat mongers! Ugh bothers me so. Dont get me wrong, I wish I could have seen Saubert out catching passes more often as I believe you feature guys for what they do best. However, im happy they are bringing hin around as a more balanced guy. Hooper was a stud this year. **** everyone dropped a few passes they shouldnt have. Hooper was a stud at being clutch. 30 1st downs is nothing to laugh at. The blocking was impressive. People kill me by not recognizing that as probably more than half the job of a TE. Hooper was good at sealing the edge and legal crack back blocks. Penetration from inside is what killed our run game. That and the rapid depreciation of Schrader. Saubert is trending up and so is Hooper. Both took steps every year. Hooper took major steps. Saubert will follow soon. Nailed it again. You clearly see the importance of run blocking in a TE who can also get down field and catch passes. These multidimensional TEs are harder and harder to find. Most excel in one category and suck in the other. Having two TEs who can run block AND are good receivers is a really, really big deal. So many here don’t realize Hooper made Pro Bowl in part due to his run blocking. They are mystified when they look at stat sheet how he made it. Coaches and his peers know exactly why. The stat sheet on Saubert isn’t showing his progress in run blocking, so many here even on this thread don’t understand my position. They just see he had 5 catches and automatically conclude he hasn’t shown us anything. They don’t know what to look for. I think we are in excellent shape next year at #1 and #2 TE if Saubert continues to develop during OTAs, mini camp, training camp and pre season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 14 hours ago, MSalmon said: Also don’t forget he lined up at H-Back and FB as well as played well on STs. Good value for a fifth Good point MSalmon! I thought they were going to use Saubert in a Joker capacity, especially considering how they used him in training camp this year. They had Saubert run a lot of routes in training camp where he was lighting it up on highlight reels with great catches, but it’s clear from how they used him in regular season they have much bigger plans for him. They are clearly teaching him, with the majority of his 187 snaps on offense, the running game in preparation for him to be a complete multidimensional TE. The dude can block too, if you watched him closely late in the season he was all over the field laying good blocks, he squared up nicelyand took his defender out more often than not. A 6’5”, 253LB TE who can run routes with 4.65 40 speed, who can also block well in running game, is a lethal weapon playing next to a #1 like Hooper. It appears to be al, coming tougher for him, let’s hope he breaks out next season. Even 250 yards with Hooper at #1 is fine if the run blocking is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Was wondering when “OP Sunshine” would turn back up. First angle up is Falcon Tight Ends. No Vic Beasley thread, gazoo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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