Ovie_Lover Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, gazoo said: You are saying coaches believe Hooper can’t play, so they fired Harmon? That is nonsensical. What exactly do you expect from a 2 year, bottom of 5th round draft pick TE out of a small,school like Drake in his second season? i look for progress, I watch his snaps to see if he is putting himself in the right position to make his blocks and how good he is once engaging the defender. I look to see if he knows what he is doing out there or looks lost. Some of you guys expectations seem to be if he didn’t have a 1000 yard receiving season with 10 TDs he hasn’t done anything. Im looking for progress, and I’m seeing it. I also see a lot of upside for. TE who was #2 in the nation in receiving yards and TDs. Blocking is coming along nicely, but he has to get that down before he can play more snaps. The Falcons didn’t play Saubert 187 snaps on offense for nothing. Many here were insisting Josh Perkins was going to stick and Saubert get cut, and Perkins only had 74 snaps on offense previous year. Dude no one was talking about Perkins, it was Paulsen who played 362 snaps, get your head out of your ***. Perkins wasn't even on the team in 2018 except for in JANUARY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovie_Lover Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, TheDirtyWordII said: I think the Falcons looked at the position and weren’t satisfied with how that position group played. TE is really a watered down position right now...particularly in the NFC. There’s Ertz/Kittle and then a huge drop off. So being named a Pro Bowl alternate is largely because he was shade better than other JAG types who played 16 games (Trey Burton, zkyle Rudolph, Jimmy Graham) and players who produced more on a per game basis had in-season injuries (Evan Engram, OJ Howard). His production was pedestrian. Based on what you saw in 2019, would we want to commit $9M/year on a long term deal? As for Saubert, I didn’t expect a 1000 yard season, but I did expect a 100 yard one... Saubert isn't what y'all think he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 36 minutes ago, TheDirtyWordII said: I think the Falcons looked at the position and weren’t satisfied with how that position group played. I think Falcons let Harmon go because they didn’t like something they saw in his coaching. You are implying, or somehow suggesting, falaciously, the reason they let Harmon go has something to do with them not thinking their TEs are not good. It would seem far more the case they fired Harmon becuase they feel Saubert and Hooper have the talent to be way better than they are now with better coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Y’all really gotta stop hyping hooper up. He’s C list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Waiting for saubert is like waiting for Lamar Holmes because they have ideal physique for playing the position. Saubeet was hyped up in off season and hasn’t shown anything. Hooper took a big step forward and hope he gets even better. Falcons should look for a veteran TE if they can find cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said: Y’all really gotta stop hyping hooper up. He’s C list. Coaches and Matt Ryan are saying Hooper still has a ton of upside, so while you are looking in the rear view mirror, my post is about the 2019 Season. There is a reason Harmon is fired.coaches we a lot of promise in our TEs that Harmon wasn’t getting out of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said: Y’all really gotta stop hyping hooper up. He’s C list. Crazy talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDirtyWordII Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, gazoo said: I think Falcons let Harmon go because they didn’t like something they saw in his coaching. You are implying, or somehow suggesting, falaciously, the reason they let Harmon go has something to do with them not thinking their TEs are not good. It would seem far more the case they fired Harmon becuase they feel Saubert and Hooper have the talent to be way better than they are now with better coaching. That’s likely the case...whether they are better or not remains to be seen. Ultimately, I thought Hooper’s play was awfully ‘meh’ for the most part...this season and last. Changing up his (and Saubert’s) position coach is likely done in mind to get better play out of both (and anyone else they might acquire). But it’s entirely possible that this is what Hooper is...and if that’s the case, I’d pass on a long term deal for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, falcons007 said: Waiting for saubert is like waiting for Lamar Holmes because they have ideal physique for playing the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 19 hours ago, TheDirtyWordII said: That’s likely the case...whether they are better or not remains to be seen. Ultimately, I thought Hooper’s play was awfully ‘meh’ for the most part...this season and last. Changing up his (and Saubert’s) position coach is likely done in mind to get better play out of both (and anyone else they might acquire). But it’s entirely possible that this is what Hooper is...and if that’s the case, I’d pass on a long term deal for him. Can’t imagine what you think you’re seeing. Hooper improved greatly from 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDirtyWordII Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Vandy said: Hooper improved greatly from 2017. But he was pretty bad in 2017... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, TheDirtyWordII said: That’s likely the case...whether they are better or not remains to be seen. Ultimately, I thought Hooper’s play was awfully ‘meh’ for the most part...this season and last. Changing up his (and Saubert’s) position coach is likely done in mind to get better play out of both (and anyone else they might acquire). But it’s entirely possible that this is what Hooper is...and if that’s the case, I’d pass on a long term deal for him. I largely agree Hoopers play was mostly “meh” for 2018 Despite making it to a Pro Bowl alternate. He got 30 1st downs on 71 receptions, he’s getting a lot of tough yards helping us keep chains moving. Not Sports Center highlights, but still productive. More importantly, still necessary. I doubt he will ever be a 1200 yard, 12 TD receiving TE. There aren’t really a lot of them out there. Will he ever get better? Coaches and Matt Ryan sure think so, they are saying they think Hooper still has a lot of upside. Whether Hooper gets a LOT better or just a little better, Hooper is still valuable to this team as a complete TE, and that becomes even more so if Saubert continues developing and also becomes a #2 complete TE capable of getting 250 yards, a few TDs and several 1st down catches as he blocks for our running game. Two complete TEs on field at same time, even if they are both just average, are more than twice the problem for a defense than if just one average complete TE is on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, TheDirtyWordII said: But he was pretty bad in 2017... Bad for a second year, 3rd round TE? Few TEs drafted in round 3 do much better in their second years. I don’t feel like digging around to do the research, but I’ll bet you Hoopers 2017 production is in the higher tier of all the Taes drafted in round 3 over the last 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, TheDirtyWordII said: But he was pretty bad in 2017... He was inconsistent in ‘17 with some drops, not unusual for young TE’s. In 2018 he took major steps forward. Still room to grow, but Not sure why you or anymore else would complain about his progress last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thofin21 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Who is Hooper again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons007 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Vandy said: He was inconsistent in ‘17 with some drops, not unusual for young TE’s. In 2018 he tooked major steps forward. Still room to grow, but Not sure why anymore would complain about his progress last season. Typical TATF. Once a player is in the dog house it’s hard to change the perception. Hooper was one of the most improved player on a roster when most players took a big step back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RING OF HONOR Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I'm having Dejavu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDirtyWordII Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Vandy said: He was inconsistent in ‘17 with some drops, not unusual for young TE’s. In 2018 he tooked major steps forward. Still room to grow, but Not sure why anymore would complain about his progress last season. Title of the thread: Falcons look awesome at TE next year... I said Hooper has been ‘OK’...but at current levels of play/production isn’t worth paying market value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 33 minutes ago, gazoo said: Coaches and Matt Ryan are saying Hooper still has a ton of upside, so while you are looking in the rear view mirror, my post is about the 2019 Season. There is a reason Harmon is fired.coaches we a lot of promise in our TEs that Harmon wasn’t getting out of them. I think we’re drafting a TE in round 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, TheDirtyWordII said: Title of the thread: Falcons look awesome at TE next year... I said Hooper has been ‘OK’...but at current levels of play/production isn’t worth paying market value. To each his own. I personally think Hooper is progressing nicely. Sure wish Beasley, Riley, et al would show his kind of growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDirtyWordII Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, Vandy said: This each his own. I personally think Hooper is progressing nicely. He’ll come up for contract extension in 2020. Would you re-sign him at $9-10M/year based on how he’s played to date? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, KRUNKuno said: I think we’re drafting a TE in round 4 What kind of production would you expect this 4th round TE you suggest would be picked to get in 2019? What about 2020? Pleae give me your general idea of expectations on this 4th round TE pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 25 minutes ago, TheDirtyWordII said: But he was pretty bad in 2017... No he wasn’t. He had, if I remember properly, the 3rd best catch% of all players in the NFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsIn2012 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, gazoo said: What kind of production would you expect this 4th round TE you suggest would be picked to get in 2019? What about 2020? Pleae give me your general idea of expectations on this 4th round TE pick. I’d like mini-Gronk, Nauta, if he falls to the 4th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, TheDirtyWordII said: He’ll come up for contract extension in 2020. Would you re-sign him at $9-10M/year based on how he’s played to date? No, nor do I believe he would ask me to pay him that based on how he’s played to date. Plus we just finished 2018 season, so I think ...with respect...you’re a little ahead of yourself if worried about his next contract right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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