raysnill1 12,109 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, RING OF HONOR said: Irvin and Takk bring an attitude that I like in my defensive players... We need a few more of those... it's not a popular idea but if TB was to release McCoy and we picked him up, we could probably have, Grady, Crawford, Senat, McCoy, Irvin, Means, and Takk all in the rotation and if Vic is retained at a reasonable rate, with Debo and Campbell, that's a pretty nice jump off point to turn this defense around, and that's not even including draft picks Link to post Share on other sites
Knight of God 52,716 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, RING OF HONOR said: Irvin and Takk bring an attitude that I like in my defensive players... We need a few more of those... Takk needs to get there more. I don’t care about percentages. Link to post Share on other sites
RING OF HONOR 15,922 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, raysnill1 said: it's not a popular idea but if TB was to release McCoy and we picked him up, we could probably have, Grady, Crawford, Senat, McCoy, Irvin, Means, and Takk all in the rotation and if Vic is retained at a reasonable rate, with Debo and Campbell, that's a pretty nice jump off point to turn this defense around, and that's not even including draft picks Mmmmmmmmm...... defense Link to post Share on other sites
papachaz 18,069 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I don't play for the Falcons, BUT I can guarantee I don't let NOTHIN fall off the edge of my plate.....does that count? Link to post Share on other sites
raysnill1 12,109 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, papachaz said: I don't play for the Falcons, BUT I can guarantee I don't let NOTHIN fall off the edge of my plate.....does that count? if we meet face to face I'm literally gonna punch you in the throat for the many times I've d@mn near choked reading your stupid replies dude! Link to post Share on other sites
papachaz 18,069 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, raysnill1 said: if we meet face to face I'm literally gonna punch you in the throat for the many times I've d@mn near choked reading your stupid replies dude! it's SOOOO nice to be so loved.... but at least if you're choking, you're not ruining your screen by spewing Link to post Share on other sites
GABLACKBIRD 54 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 the sidelines lol Link to post Share on other sites
Hometownfan 151 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Speaking of stats from PFF, have you seen this evaluation from PFF (courtesy of The Prof)? Posted yesterday at 12:52 PM · Report post PFF final 2018 season grades and rankings in bold below, compared to grades/rankings as of the Bye Week in parentheses: Offense: Julio Jones 90.9 #3WR (89.7 #3WR as of Bye Week) Matt Ryan 84.3 #11QB (81.9 #10QB) Jake Matthews 79.1 #9OT (76.8 #13OT) Alex Mack 77.3 #3C (78.1 #3C) Mohamed Sanu 72.0 #40WR (69.2 #43WR) Ito Smith 69.5 #38RB (63.5 #39RB) Calvin Ridley 68.8 #53WR (72.5 #35WR) Ben Garland 68.7 #17G (76.8 Unranked, not enough snaps) Austin Hooper 68.5 #24TE (64.0 #28TE) Tevin Coleman 65.9 #47RB (51.7 #59RB) Wes Schweitzer 63.7 #28G (51.3 #66G) Ryan Schraeder 63.6 #54OT (61.7 #47OT) Logan Paulsen 62.9 #40TE (59.7 #41TE) Branden Fusco 60.2 #45G (60.2 #42G) Brian Hill 70.1 Unranked, not enough snaps Ty Sambrailo 67.0 Unranked, not enough snaps Ricky Ortiz 62.5 Unranked, not enough snaps Zane Beadles 57.7 Unranked, not enough snaps Defense: Grady Jarrett 91.0 #5DT (86.8 #10DT as of Bye Week) Demontae Kazee 77.9 #17S (77.9 #13S) Deion Jones 75.8 #12LB Desmond Trufant 71.4 #35CB (59.3 #81CB) Jack Crawford 71.3 #57DT (67.1 #63DT) Deadrin Senat 71.1 #59DT (73.5 #30DT) Sharod Neasman 67.8 #47S (60.6 Unranked) Brooks Reed 66.5 #60DE (64.5 #61DE) Jordan Richards 65.2 #62S (55.1 #77S) Foye Oluokun 64.6 #44LB (57.0 #58LB) Tak McKinley 62.2 #74DE (57.8 #84DE) Brian Poole 61.7 #83CB (57.7 #89CB) Bruce Irvin 59.0 #88DE De'Vondre Campbell 57.5 #65LB (61.0 #46LB) Robert Alford 56.6 #109CB (49.9 #103CB) Terrell McClain 56.2 #109DT (54.7 #98DT) Duke Riley 44.2 #85LB (43.6 #77 LB) Vic Beasley 42.2 #108DE (42.3 #101 DE) Rico Allen 77.5 Unranked, not enough snaps Steven Means 74.9 Unranked, not enough snaps Isaiah Oliver 70.0 Unranked, not enough snaps (58.2 Unranked as of Bye Week) Derrick Shelby 63.7 Unranked, not enough snaps Bruce Carter 55.5 Unranked, not enough snaps Kemal Ishmael 46.8 Unranked, not enough snaps Link to post Share on other sites
thajames 157 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Suprised that Garland was the #17 guard.....must've been a down year at guard across the league Link to post Share on other sites
raysnill1 12,109 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 39 minutes ago, thajames said: Suprised that Garland was the #17 guard.....must've been a down year at guard across the league that's funny because Garland was bad. there was a reason he got benched but he somehow had a better grade than Wes. maybe they take off a whole lot of points for penalties. Link to post Share on other sites
Falconcheff 5,485 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 1/4/2019 at 8:35 PM, falcons007 said: \It’s time to cut Reed and give more snaps to Means. Sold! Link to post Share on other sites
Hometownfan 151 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 1/4/2019 at 8:35 PM, falcons007 said: Brooks Reed: 189 snaps, 11 tackles, 4 mistackles, 10 stops, 5.4 % stops. Takk : 188 snaps, 10 tackles, 1 mistackle, 8 stops, 4.3 Stop%. Vic: 209 snaps, 8 tackles , 7 mistackles, 7 stops, 3.3% stops. Steven Means: 69 snaps, 11 tackles, 0 mistackles, 11 stops, stop%: 14.5 %. Shelby: 60 snaps, 9 tackles, 0 mistackles, 5 stops, stop%:8.3%. It’s obvious, Steven Means had more tackles, more stops than all other edge defenders in limited snaps. Why did it take so long for DQ to put Means in the line up? What happened to DQ playing more young guys over veterans myth? If Falcons are negotiating a new deal with Vic Beasley, they need a discount for having as many mistackles(7) as tackles(8). Shelby and Means should have played more against the run than Reed. It’s time to cut Reed and give more snaps to Means. Don't know where you get your info, but your snap counts are way off. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/atl/2018-snap-counts.htm Link to post Share on other sites
Hometownfan 151 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 1/4/2019 at 8:35 PM, falcons007 said: Brooks Reed: 189 snaps, 11 tackles, 4 mistackles, 10 stops, 5.4 % stops. Takk : 188 snaps, 10 tackles, 1 mistackle, 8 stops, 4.3 Stop%. Vic: 209 snaps, 8 tackles , 7 mistackles, 7 stops, 3.3% stops. Steven Means: 69 snaps, 11 tackles, 0 mistackles, 11 stops, stop%: 14.5 %. Shelby: 60 snaps, 9 tackles, 0 mistackles, 5 stops, stop%:8.3%. It’s obvious, Steven Means had more tackles, more stops than all other edge defenders in limited snaps. Why did it take so long for DQ to put Means in the line up? What happened to DQ playing more young guys over veterans myth? If Falcons are negotiating a new deal with Vic Beasley, they need a discount for having as many mistackles(7) as tackles(8). Shelby and Means should have played more against the run than Reed. It’s time to cut Reed and give more snaps to Means. Don't know where you get your info, but your snap counts are way off. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/atl/2018-snap-counts.htm Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 19,835 Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 18 minutes ago, Hometownfan said: Don't know where you get your info, but your snap counts are way off. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/atl/2018-snap-counts.htm Those are Run defense snap counts. Not total. Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 19,835 Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 4 hours ago, raysnill1 said: that's funny because Garland was bad. there was a reason he got benched but he somehow had a better grade than Wes. maybe they take off a whole lot of points for penalties. Wes was worse, no Shraeder was. That was one of the WTF decision by DQ. Garland was pretty decent in pass protection. Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 19,835 Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 8 hours ago, Hometownfan said: Speaking of stats from PFF, have you seen this evaluation from PFF (courtesy of The Prof)? Posted yesterday at 12:52 PM · Report post PFF final 2018 season grades and rankings in bold below, compared to grades/rankings as of the Bye Week in parentheses: Offense: Julio Jones 90.9 #3WR (89.7 #3WR as of Bye Week) Matt Ryan 84.3 #11QB (81.9 #10QB) Jake Matthews 79.1 #9OT (76.8 #13OT) Alex Mack 77.3 #3C (78.1 #3C) Mohamed Sanu 72.0 #40WR (69.2 #43WR) Ito Smith 69.5 #38RB (63.5 #39RB) Calvin Ridley 68.8 #53WR (72.5 #35WR) Ben Garland 68.7 #17G (76.8 Unranked, not enough snaps) Austin Hooper 68.5 #24TE (64.0 #28TE) Tevin Coleman 65.9 #47RB (51.7 #59RB) Wes Schweitzer 63.7 #28G (51.3 #66G) Ryan Schraeder 63.6 #54OT (61.7 #47OT) Logan Paulsen 62.9 #40TE (59.7 #41TE) Branden Fusco 60.2 #45G (60.2 #42G) Brian Hill 70.1 Unranked, not enough snaps Ty Sambrailo 67.0 Unranked, not enough snaps Ricky Ortiz 62.5 Unranked, not enough snaps Zane Beadles 57.7 Unranked, not enough snaps Defense: Grady Jarrett 91.0 #5DT (86.8 #10DT as of Bye Week) Demontae Kazee 77.9 #17S (77.9 #13S) Deion Jones 75.8 #12LB Desmond Trufant 71.4 #35CB (59.3 #81CB) Jack Crawford 71.3 #57DT (67.1 #63DT) Deadrin Senat 71.1 #59DT (73.5 #30DT) Sharod Neasman 67.8 #47S (60.6 Unranked) Brooks Reed 66.5 #60DE (64.5 #61DE) Jordan Richards 65.2 #62S (55.1 #77S) Foye Oluokun 64.6 #44LB (57.0 #58LB) Tak McKinley 62.2 #74DE (57.8 #84DE) Brian Poole 61.7 #83CB (57.7 #89CB) Bruce Irvin 59.0 #88DE De'Vondre Campbell 57.5 #65LB (61.0 #46LB) Robert Alford 56.6 #109CB (49.9 #103CB) Terrell McClain 56.2 #109DT (54.7 #98DT) Duke Riley 44.2 #85LB (43.6 #77 LB) Vic Beasley 42.2 #108DE (42.3 #101 DE) Rico Allen 77.5 Unranked, not enough snaps Steven Means 74.9 Unranked, not enough snaps Isaiah Oliver 70.0 Unranked, not enough snaps (58.2 Unranked as of Bye Week) Derrick Shelby 63.7 Unranked, not enough snaps Bruce Carter 55.5 Unranked, not enough snaps Kemal Ishmael 46.8 Unranked, not enough snaps I don’t pay attention to grades. They all over the place. Give me raw unfiltered stats any day, not some ones opinions. Link to post Share on other sites
Hometownfan 151 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, falcons007 said: I don’t pay attention to grades. They all over the place. Give me raw unfiltered stats any day, not some ones opinions. So your statements are not your (one man) opinion? Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 19,835 Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Hometownfan said: So your statements are not your (one man) opinion? No. Those are stats. They speak for themselves on what player produced on the field. I am not interested in what some one grading this is good or bad. Just publish the numbers, tackles, stops etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Hometownfan 151 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just FYI, the grades are developed by PFF by having one expert look at every play that any particular player has and grading it one a -2 to+2 scale. Then another man grades the same player for every snap. Then, a third expert watches the same tape and reconciles any differences between the first two graders. THEN, the tape goes to a group of ex-NFL players and coaches for verification. Sacks, for example, are not all graded the same. Some sacks are earned and others are gimmes---tagging a fallen QB, for example. This method seems to me a much more accurate and objective way of arriving at the worth of any particular player than some guy in his basement with a computer. Link to post Share on other sites
falcons007 19,835 Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, Hometownfan said: Just FYI, the grades are developed by PFF by having one expert look at every play that any particular player has and grading it one a -2 to+2 scale. Then another man grades the same player for every snap. Then, a third expert watches the same tape and reconciles any differences between the first two graders. THEN, the tape goes to a group of ex-NFL players and coaches for verification. Sacks, for example, are not all graded the same. Some sacks are earned and others are gimmes---tagging a fallen QB, for example. This method seems to me a much more accurate and objective way of arriving at the worth of any particular player than some guy in his basement with a computer. Unless they changed it this year. It’s one person grading. I remember a PFF employee who was on TATF explaining how their grading is done. You can dig up that thread, it was pretty informative. I doubt the grades are posted that fast for every play with multiple people reviewing. In any case grades have been head scratchers for a while. Link to post Share on other sites
Hometownfan 151 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, falcons007 said: Unless they changed it this year. It’s one person grading. I remember a PFF employee who was on TATF explaining how their grading is done. You can dig up that thread, it was pretty informative. I doubt the grades are posted that fast for every play with multiple people reviewing. In any case grades have been head scratchers for a while. https://www.profootballfocus.com/pff-player-grades Link to post Share on other sites
sanfranfalcon 1,177 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 i think Means and Irvin get re-signed before Falcons and Beasley come to a new agreement. i honestly think DQ/TD are at a point where they know he's nothing more than a rotational guy at this point. gimme Irvin and Means for 2yrs each and we'll find Beasley's replacement in that time frame... Link to post Share on other sites
81KJW 122 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 1/5/2019 at 1:05 AM, FalconFanSince1970 said: Got buddy in the first edition of my offseason retooling plan. Him and Irvin. Those guys can play the run and pass and can be signed for half of Beasley's cap hit. Put em with Takk and a draft pick and I think we could wreck some QBs. I cut Beasley and Reed and let Shelby walk. It's time to get serious about both lines. 1 why should we keep an undersized defensive end like Takk? Link to post Share on other sites
81KJW 122 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 1/4/2019 at 10:35 PM, falcons007 said: Brooks Reed: 189 snaps, 11 tackles, 4 mistackles, 10 stops, 5.4 % stops. Takk : 188 snaps, 10 tackles, 1 mistackle, 8 stops, 4.3 Stop%. Vic: 209 snaps, 8 tackles , 7 mistackles, 7 stops, 3.3% stops. Steven Means: 69 snaps, 11 tackles, 0 mistackles, 11 stops, stop%: 14.5 %. Shelby: 60 snaps, 9 tackles, 0 mistackles, 5 stops, stop%:8.3%. It’s obvious, Steven Means had more tackles, more stops than all other edge defenders in limited snaps. Why did it take so long for DQ to put Means in the line up? What happened to DQ playing more young guys over veterans myth? If Falcons are negotiating a new deal with Vic Beasley, they need a discount for having as many mistackles(7) as tackles(8). Shelby and Means should have played more against the run than Reed. It’s time to cut Reed and give more snaps to Means. 8 just looking at the numbers we should only keep Reed and Steven means, Shelby. Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1970 24,093 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 59 minutes ago, 81KJW said: why should we keep an undersized defensive end like Takk? Because he plays the run well and can get after the QB. Plus 6'2" and 265 pounds aint undersized. If you don't believe me let him come off the edge and pile drive your as into the turf. You'll then agree. Trust me. Link to post Share on other sites
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