Who was the best Falcons Edge defender?

[raysnill1 11,757]

1 hour ago, RING OF HONOR said:

Irvin and Takk bring an attitude that I like in my defensive players...

We need a few more of those...

it's not a popular idea but if TB was to release McCoy and we picked him up, we could probably have, Grady, Crawford, Senat, McCoy, Irvin, Means, and Takk all in the rotation and if Vic is retained at a reasonable rate, with Debo and Campbell, that's a pretty nice jump off point to turn this defense around, and that's not even including draft picks

[Knight of God 47,014]

1 hour ago, RING OF HONOR said:

Irvin and Takk bring an attitude that I like in my defensive players...

We need a few more of those...

Takk needs to get there more. I don’t care about percentages. 

[RING OF HONOR 13,133]

25 minutes ago, raysnill1 said:

it's not a popular idea but if TB was to release McCoy and we picked him up, we could probably have, Grady, Crawford, Senat, McCoy, Irvin, Means, and Takk all in the rotation and if Vic is retained at a reasonable rate, with Debo and Campbell, that's a pretty nice jump off point to turn this defense around, and that's not even including draft picks

Mmmmmmmmm...... defense

[papachaz 15,271]

I don't play for the Falcons, BUT I can guarantee I don't let NOTHIN fall off the edge of my plate.....does that count?

[raysnill1 11,757]

2 minutes ago, papachaz said:

I don't play for the Falcons, BUT I can guarantee I don't let NOTHIN fall off the edge of my plate.....does that count?

if we meet face to face I'm literally gonna punch you in the throat for the many times I've d@mn near choked reading your stupid replies dude!

[papachaz 15,271]

3 minutes ago, raysnill1 said:

if we meet face to face I'm literally gonna punch you in the throat for the many times I've d@mn near choked reading your stupid replies dude!

it's SOOOO nice to be so loved....

 

 

but at least if you're choking, you're not ruining your screen by spewing 

[GABLACKBIRD 45]

the sidelines lol

 

[Hometownfan 151]

Speaking of stats from PFF, have you seen this evaluation from PFF (courtesy of The Prof)?

 

Posted yesterday at 12:52 PM · Report post

PFF final 2018 season grades and rankings in bold below, compared to grades/rankings as of the Bye Week in parentheses:

 

Offense:

Julio Jones  90.9 #3WR    (89.7 #3WR as of Bye Week)

Matt Ryan  84.3 #11QB     (81.9  #10QB)

Jake Matthews  79.1 #9OT   (76.8  #13OT)

Alex Mack   77.3 #3C      (78.1  #3C)

Mohamed Sanu  72.0 #40WR   (69.2  #43WR)

Ito Smith  69.5 #38RB   (63.5  #39RB)

Calvin Ridley  68.8 #53WR   (72.5  #35WR)

Ben Garland  68.7 #17G    (76.8  Unranked, not enough snaps)

Austin Hooper  68.5 #24TE   (64.0  #28TE)

Tevin Coleman  65.9 #47RB   (51.7  #59RB)

Wes Schweitzer  63.7 #28G   (51.3  #66G)

Ryan Schraeder  63.6 #54OT   (61.7  #47OT)

Logan Paulsen  62.9 #40TE   (59.7  #41TE)

Branden Fusco  60.2 #45G   (60.2  #42G)

 

Brian Hill 70.1 Unranked, not enough snaps

Ty Sambrailo 67.0  Unranked, not enough snaps

Ricky Ortiz  62.5 Unranked, not enough snaps  

Zane Beadles 57.7 Unranked, not enough snaps

 

Defense:

Grady Jarrett  91.0 #5DT   (86.8  #10DT as of Bye Week)

Demontae Kazee   77.9 #17S   (77.9  #13S)

Deion Jones  75.8  #12LB

Desmond Trufant  71.4 #35CB   (59.3  #81CB)

Jack Crawford  71.3 #57DT   (67.1  #63DT)

Deadrin Senat   71.1 #59DT   (73.5  #30DT)

Sharod Neasman  67.8 #47S   (60.6  Unranked)

Brooks Reed  66.5 #60DE   (64.5  #61DE)

Jordan Richards  65.2 #62S   (55.1  #77S)

Foye Oluokun  64.6 #44LB   (57.0  #58LB)

Tak McKinley  62.2 #74DE   (57.8  #84DE)

Brian Poole  61.7 #83CB   (57.7  #89CB)

Bruce Irvin  59.0 #88DE

De'Vondre Campbell  57.5 #65LB    (61.0  #46LB)

Robert Alford   56.6 #109CB   (49.9  #103CB)

Terrell McClain  56.2 #109DT   (54.7  #98DT)

Duke Riley  44.2 #85LB   (43.6  #77 LB)

Vic Beasley 42.2 #108DE   (42.3  #101 DE)

 

Rico Allen  77.5  Unranked, not enough snaps

Steven Means 74.9 Unranked, not enough snaps

Isaiah Oliver   70.0 Unranked, not enough snaps  (58.2  Unranked as of Bye Week)

Derrick Shelby  63.7  Unranked, not enough snaps

Bruce Carter 55.5  Unranked, not enough snaps

Kemal Ishmael  46.8  Unranked, not enough snaps

[thajames 111]

Suprised that Garland was the #17 guard.....must've been a down year at guard across the league 

[raysnill1 11,757]

39 minutes ago, thajames said:

Suprised that Garland was the #17 guard.....must've been a down year at guard across the league 

that's funny because Garland was bad. there was a reason he got benched but he somehow had a better grade than Wes. maybe they take off a whole lot of points for penalties.

[Falconcheff 4,897]

On 1/4/2019 at 8:35 PM, falcons007 said:

\It’s time to cut Reed and give more snaps to Means. 

 

Sold!

[Hometownfan 151]

On 1/4/2019 at 8:35 PM, falcons007 said:

Brooks Reed: 189 snaps, 11 tackles, 4 mistackles, 10 stops, 5.4 % stops. 

Takk : 188 snaps, 10 tackles, 1 mistackle, 8 stops, 4.3 Stop%.

Vic: 209 snaps, 8 tackles , 7 mistackles, 7 stops,  3.3% stops.

Steven Means: 69 snaps, 11 tackles, 0 mistackles, 11 stops, stop%: 14.5 %.

Shelby: 60 snaps, 9 tackles, 0 mistackles, 5 stops, stop%:8.3%.

It’s obvious, Steven Means had more tackles, more stops than all other edge defenders in limited snaps. Why did it take so long for DQ to put Means in the line up?  What happened to DQ playing more young guys over veterans  myth? 

If Falcons are negotiating a new deal with Vic Beasley, they need a discount for having as many mistackles(7) as tackles(8).

Shelby and Means should have played more against the run than Reed. It’s time to cut Reed and give more snaps to Means. 

 

Don't know where you get your info, but your snap counts are way off.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/atl/2018-snap-counts.htm

[Hometownfan 151]

On 1/4/2019 at 8:35 PM, falcons007 said:

Brooks Reed: 189 snaps, 11 tackles, 4 mistackles, 10 stops, 5.4 % stops. 

Takk : 188 snaps, 10 tackles, 1 mistackle, 8 stops, 4.3 Stop%.

Vic: 209 snaps, 8 tackles , 7 mistackles, 7 stops,  3.3% stops.

Steven Means: 69 snaps, 11 tackles, 0 mistackles, 11 stops, stop%: 14.5 %.

Shelby: 60 snaps, 9 tackles, 0 mistackles, 5 stops, stop%:8.3%.

It’s obvious, Steven Means had more tackles, more stops than all other edge defenders in limited snaps. Why did it take so long for DQ to put Means in the line up?  What happened to DQ playing more young guys over veterans  myth? 

If Falcons are negotiating a new deal with Vic Beasley, they need a discount for having as many mistackles(7) as tackles(8).

Shelby and Means should have played more against the run than Reed. It’s time to cut Reed and give more snaps to Means. 

 

Don't know where you get your info, but your snap counts are way off.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/atl/2018-snap-counts.htm

Edited January 6 by Hometownfan

[falcons007 18,240]

18 minutes ago, Hometownfan said:

Don't know where you get your info, but your snap counts are way off.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/atl/2018-snap-counts.htm

Those are Run defense snap counts. Not total.

[falcons007 18,240]

4 hours ago, raysnill1 said:

that's funny because Garland was bad. there was a reason he got benched but he somehow had a better grade than Wes. maybe they take off a whole lot of points for penalties.

Wes was worse, no Shraeder was. That was one of the WTF decision by DQ. Garland was pretty decent in pass protection.

[falcons007 18,240]

8 hours ago, Hometownfan said:

Speaking of stats from PFF, have you seen this evaluation from PFF (courtesy of The Prof)?

 

Posted yesterday at 12:52 PM · Report post

PFF final 2018 season grades and rankings in bold below, compared to grades/rankings as of the Bye Week in parentheses:

 

Offense:

Julio Jones  90.9 #3WR    (89.7 #3WR as of Bye Week)

Matt Ryan  84.3 #11QB     (81.9  #10QB)

Jake Matthews  79.1 #9OT   (76.8  #13OT)

Alex Mack   77.3 #3C      (78.1  #3C)

Mohamed Sanu  72.0 #40WR   (69.2  #43WR)

Ito Smith  69.5 #38RB   (63.5  #39RB)

Calvin Ridley  68.8 #53WR   (72.5  #35WR)

Ben Garland  68.7 #17G    (76.8  Unranked, not enough snaps)

Austin Hooper  68.5 #24TE   (64.0  #28TE)

Tevin Coleman  65.9 #47RB   (51.7  #59RB)

Wes Schweitzer  63.7 #28G   (51.3  #66G)

Ryan Schraeder  63.6 #54OT   (61.7  #47OT)

Logan Paulsen  62.9 #40TE   (59.7  #41TE)

Branden Fusco  60.2 #45G   (60.2  #42G)

 

Brian Hill 70.1 Unranked, not enough snaps

Ty Sambrailo 67.0  Unranked, not enough snaps

Ricky Ortiz  62.5 Unranked, not enough snaps  

Zane Beadles 57.7 Unranked, not enough snaps

 

Defense:

Grady Jarrett  91.0 #5DT   (86.8  #10DT as of Bye Week)

Demontae Kazee   77.9 #17S   (77.9  #13S)

Deion Jones  75.8  #12LB

Desmond Trufant  71.4 #35CB   (59.3  #81CB)

Jack Crawford  71.3 #57DT   (67.1  #63DT)

Deadrin Senat   71.1 #59DT   (73.5  #30DT)

Sharod Neasman  67.8 #47S   (60.6  Unranked)

Brooks Reed  66.5 #60DE   (64.5  #61DE)

Jordan Richards  65.2 #62S   (55.1  #77S)

Foye Oluokun  64.6 #44LB   (57.0  #58LB)

Tak McKinley  62.2 #74DE   (57.8  #84DE)

Brian Poole  61.7 #83CB   (57.7  #89CB)

Bruce Irvin  59.0 #88DE

De'Vondre Campbell  57.5 #65LB    (61.0  #46LB)

Robert Alford   56.6 #109CB   (49.9  #103CB)

Terrell McClain  56.2 #109DT   (54.7  #98DT)

Duke Riley  44.2 #85LB   (43.6  #77 LB)

Vic Beasley 42.2 #108DE   (42.3  #101 DE)

 

Rico Allen  77.5  Unranked, not enough snaps

Steven Means 74.9 Unranked, not enough snaps

Isaiah Oliver   70.0 Unranked, not enough snaps  (58.2  Unranked as of Bye Week)

Derrick Shelby  63.7  Unranked, not enough snaps

Bruce Carter 55.5  Unranked, not enough snaps

Kemal Ishmael  46.8  Unranked, not enough snaps

I don’t pay attention to grades. They all over the place. Give me raw unfiltered stats any day, not some ones opinions.

[Hometownfan 151]

1 minute ago, falcons007 said:

I don’t pay attention to grades. They all over the place. Give me raw unfiltered stats any day, not some ones opinions.

So your statements are not your (one man) opinion?

[falcons007 18,240]

1 minute ago, Hometownfan said:

So your statements are not your (one man) opinion?

No. Those are stats. They speak for themselves on what player produced on the field. I am not interested in what some one grading this is good or bad. Just publish the numbers, tackles, stops etc.

[Hometownfan 151]

Just FYI, the grades are developed by PFF by having one expert look at every play that any particular player has and grading it one a -2 to+2 scale.  Then another man grades the same player for every snap.  Then, a third expert watches the same tape and reconciles any differences between the first two graders.  THEN, the tape goes to a group of ex-NFL players and coaches for verification.  Sacks, for example, are not all graded the same.  Some sacks are earned and others are gimmes---tagging a fallen QB, for example.

This method seems to me a much more accurate and objective way of arriving at the worth of any particular player than some guy in his basement with a computer.

[falcons007 18,240]

Just now, Hometownfan said:

Just FYI, the grades are developed by PFF by having one expert look at every play that any particular player has and grading it one a -2 to+2 scale.  Then another man grades the same player for every snap.  Then, a third expert watches the same tape and reconciles any differences between the first two graders.  THEN, the tape goes to a group of ex-NFL players and coaches for verification.  Sacks, for example, are not all graded the same.  Some sacks are earned and others are gimmes---tagging a fallen QB, for example.

This method seems to me a much more accurate and objective way of arriving at the worth of any particular player than some guy in his basement with a computer.

Unless they changed it this year. It’s one person grading. I remember a PFF employee who was on TATF explaining how their grading is done. You can dig up that thread, it was pretty informative. I doubt the grades are posted that fast for every play with multiple people reviewing. In any case grades have been head scratchers for a while.

[Hometownfan 151]

7 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

Unless they changed it this year. It’s one person grading. I remember a PFF employee who was on TATF explaining how their grading is done. You can dig up that thread, it was pretty informative. I doubt the grades are posted that fast for every play with multiple people reviewing. In any case grades have been head scratchers for a while.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pff-player-grades

[sanfranfalcon 1,024]

i think Means and Irvin get re-signed before Falcons and Beasley come to a new agreement. i honestly think DQ/TD are at a point where they know he's nothing more than a rotational guy at this point. gimme Irvin and Means for 2yrs each and we'll find Beasley's replacement in that time frame...

[81KJW 97]

On ‎1‎/‎5‎/‎2019 at 1:05 AM, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Got buddy in the first edition of my offseason retooling plan. Him and Irvin. Those guys can play the run and pass and can be signed for half of Beasley's cap hit. Put em with Takk and a draft pick and I think we could wreck some QBs. I cut Beasley and Reed and let Shelby walk. It's time to get serious about both lines.

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why should we keep an undersized defensive end like Takk?

[81KJW 97]

On ‎1‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 10:35 PM, falcons007 said:

Brooks Reed: 189 snaps, 11 tackles, 4 mistackles, 10 stops, 5.4 % stops. 

Takk : 188 snaps, 10 tackles, 1 mistackle, 8 stops, 4.3 Stop%.

Vic: 209 snaps, 8 tackles , 7 mistackles, 7 stops,  3.3% stops.

Steven Means: 69 snaps, 11 tackles, 0 mistackles, 11 stops, stop%: 14.5 %.

Shelby: 60 snaps, 9 tackles, 0 mistackles, 5 stops, stop%:8.3%.

It’s obvious, Steven Means had more tackles, more stops than all other edge defenders in limited snaps. Why did it take so long for DQ to put Means in the line up?  What happened to DQ playing more young guys over veterans  myth? 

If Falcons are negotiating a new deal with Vic Beasley, they need a discount for having as many mistackles(7) as tackles(8).

Shelby and Means should have played more against the run than Reed. It’s time to cut Reed and give more snaps to Means. 

 

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just looking at the numbers we should only keep Reed and Steven means, Shelby. 

[FalconFanSince1970 21,342]

59 minutes ago, 81KJW said:

why should we keep an undersized defensive end like Takk?

Because he plays the run well and can get after the QB. Plus 6'2" and 265 pounds aint undersized. If you don't believe me let him come off the edge and pile drive your as into the turf. You'll then agree. Trust me.