ThemDarnFalconsBoy! Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I know this game is a lot more than just stats, but it does give us a slight apple to apple comparison. Why are so many deadset against Bevell? Bevell's Offensive Stats: 2011 - Seahawks (OC) | YPG: 303.8 (28th) | PPG: 20.1 (23rd) 2012 - Seahawks (OC) | YPG: 350.6 (17th) | PPG: 25.8 (9th) 2013 - Seahawks (OC) | YPG: 339.0 (18th) | PPG: 26.1 (8th) *Super Bowl Champs* 2014 - Seahawks (OC) | YPG: 375.8 (9th) | PPG: 24.6 (10th) 2015 - Seahawks (OC) | YPG: 378.6 (4th) | PPG: 26.4 (4th) 2016 - Seahawks (OC) | YPG: 357.2 (12th) | PPG: 22.1 (18th) 2017 - Seahawks (OC) | YPG: 330.4 (15th) | PPG: 22.9 (11th) Kubiak's Offensive Stats: 2011 - Texans (HC) | YPG: 372.1 (13th) | PPG: 23.8 (10th) 2012 - Texans (HC) | YPG: 372.1 (7th) | PPG: 26 (8th) 2013 - Texans (HC) | YPG: 347.2 (11th) | PPG: 17.2 (31st) 2014 - Ravens (OC) | YPG: 364.9 (12th) | PPG: 25.6 (8th) 2015 - Broncos (HC) | YPG: 355.5 (16th) | PPG: 22.2 (19th) *Super Bowl Champs* 2016 - Broncos (HC) | YPG: 323.1 (27th) | PPG: 20.8 (22nd) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLFalcon36 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Have passing and rushing ranking breakdowns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 A lot of people see Kubiak as being a great OC and he was at one point back in the 90s - 2000s. Then they complain and that they want someone new and fresh with a cutting edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThemDarnFalconsBoy! Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, ATLFalcon36 said: Have passing and rushing ranking breakdowns? I can add them. I got the stats from NFL.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconfanEST1989 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 2016 no manning. I'll give a pass on that year.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Pimp Named Slickback™ Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, ThemDarnFalconsBoy! said: Why are so many deadset against Bevell? They fondly remember the INT play in SB 49 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 If you compare just their tenure as OC I think you'll see Kubiak was way more successful. I believe I remember him having Top 10 scoring offenses in 10 of his 11 seasons as an OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I think there are a few things worth pointing out and clarifying. Kubiak was OC in only one of those seasons. He led the Ravens to 8th in scoring with Flacco at QB. Equating offensive stats while he was HC is like judging DQ as a DC since he’s been in Atlanta. I think Bevel benefitted from a stellar D and ST’s contributing to field position, along with good OL. But he also never had the offensive talent we have here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: If you just compare just their tenure as OC I think you'll see Kubiak was way more successful. I believe I remember him having Top 10 scoring offenses in 10 of his 11 seasons as an OC. He also made everyone and their grandmother 1000 yard rushers in Denver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThemDarnFalconsBoy! Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ATLFalcon36 said: Have passing and rushing ranking breakdowns? I was posting this info and then I accidentally refreshed my browser window and gave up. You can compare them here though: http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&tabSeq=2&season=2013&role=TM&Submit=Go&archive=true&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false To make a long story short, Bevell's offense was great at rushing, and Kubiak's were balanced and a lot better at passing. Edited December 31, 2018 by ThemDarnFalconsBoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 The biggest difference to me is the method in which they found success. Bevell constantly sought out mobile QBs... Tavaris Jackson at first in Minny & Seattle, and then R. Wilson in Seattle. Outside on one great year from Brett Farve in Minny, I don't believe Bevell has a track record of success using non-mobile QBs. Kubiak's philosophies on the other hand seem to fall in line with most of what we already have in place here.... which makes sense as he was an OC under Kyle's dad & Kyle was an OC under him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThemDarnFalconsBoy! Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: If you just compare just their tenure as OC I think you'll see Kubiak was way more successful. I thought about doing that but I wanted to compare from the same sample size for the same years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jesus said: A lot of people see Kubiak as being a great OC and he was at one point back in the 90s - 2000s. Then they complain and that they want someone new and fresh with a cutting edge. Bevell is new and cutting edge to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando C. Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Got this from twitter... Bevell wasn't perfect, but he got scapegoated for a lot of Seattle's offensive struggles near the end of his tenure, imo. From 2012-2015, the Seahawks' offense finished 4th, 7th, 5th, and 1st in DVOA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Just now, youngbloodz said: Bevell is new and cutting edge to you Who's talking about Bevell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Dog THA GAWD Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 "Welcome back, Smitty." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, ThemDarnFalconsBoy! said: I thought about doing that but I wanted to compare from the same sample size for the same years. Hopefully the FO is focusing on that if they are actually pursuing Kubiak as an OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Just now, FalconFanSince1970 said: Hopefully the FO is focusing on that if they are actually pursuing Kubiak as an OC. Same here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Stray Dog THA GAWD said: "Welcome back, Smitty." You keep posting this in every thread & it still isn't funny/doesn't make any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThemDarnFalconsBoy! Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Hopefully the FO is focusing on that if they are actually pursuing Kubiak as an OC. I get what you're saying the NFL was a very different league when Kubiak mainly an OC. Even if you look at what I posted 2014 is a fair OC comparison and it's still pretty close. Edited December 31, 2018 by ThemDarnFalconsBoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, ThemDarnFalconsBoy! said: I get what you're saying the NFL was a very different league when Kubiak mainly an OC. Even if you look at what I posted 2014 is a fair OC comparison and it's still pretty close. He was running the offense we want to run. Not a fan of it but if we're married to it he's the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLEVEN Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Kubiak is staying in Denver with his rule TBD according to Elway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 18 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: If you compare just their tenure as OC I think you'll see Kubiak was way more successful. I believe I remember him having Top 10 scoring offenses in 10 of his 11 seasons as an OC. Exactly, that’s a fair comparison. Right now this analysis is comparing apples and oranges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThemDarnFalconsBoy! Posted December 31, 2018 Author Share Posted December 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, MSalmon said: Exactly, that’s a fair comparison. Right now this analysis is comparing apples and oranges How so? The NFL was a different league, with the exception of 2014, when Kubiak was an OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, ThemDarnFalconsBoy! said: How so? The NFL was a different league, with the exception of 2014, when Kubiak was an OC. Comparing a HC’s offenses to an OCs offense statistically is flawed. Also, your assumption that kubiak’s system Is irrelevant is moot, as Shanahan, game who many want and others still run that basic scheme. Btw kubiak git a great year out of Flacco—perhaps his best statistically and 1200 yds out of JUSTIN Forsett, and the ravens were 8th overall offensively (points scored) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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