Posted December 31, 2018 I know this game is a lot more than just stats, but it does give us a slight apple to apple comparison. Why are so many deadset against Bevell? Bevell's Offensive Stats: 2011 - Seahawks (OC) | YPG: 303.8 (28th) | PPG: 20.1 (23rd) 2012 - Seahawks (OC) | YPG: 350.6 (17th) | PPG: 25.8 (9th) 2013 - Seahawks (OC) | YPG: 339.0 (18th) | PPG: 26.1 (8th) *Super Bowl Champs* 2014 - Seahawks (OC) | YPG: 375.8 (9th) | PPG: 24.6 (10th) 2015 - Seahawks (OC) | YPG: 378.6 (4th) | PPG: 26.4 (4th) 2016 - Seahawks (OC) | YPG: 357.2 (12th) | PPG: 22.1 (18th) 2017 - Seahawks (OC) | YPG: 330.4 (15th) | PPG: 22.9 (11th) Kubiak's Offensive Stats: 2011 - Texans (HC) | YPG: 372.1 (13th) | PPG: 23.8 (10th) 2012 - Texans (HC) | YPG: 372.1 (7th) | PPG: 26 (8th) 2013 - Texans (HC) | YPG: 347.2 (11th) | PPG: 17.2 (31st) 2014 - Ravens (OC) | YPG: 364.9 (12th) | PPG: 25.6 (8th) 2015 - Broncos (HC) | YPG: 355.5 (16th) | PPG: 22.2 (19th) *Super Bowl Champs* 2016 - Broncos (HC) | YPG: 323.1 (27th) | PPG: 20.8 (22nd) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 Have passing and rushing ranking breakdowns? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 A lot of people see Kubiak as being a great OC and he was at one point back in the 90s - 2000s. Then they complain and that they want someone new and fresh with a cutting edge. Schwarzwald likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, ATLFalcon36 said: Have passing and rushing ranking breakdowns? I can add them. I got the stats from NFL.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 2016 no manning. I'll give a pass on that year.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, ThemDarnFalconsBoy! said: Why are so many deadset against Bevell? They fondly remember the INT play in SB 49 dothan_birdman likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 If you compare just their tenure as OC I think you'll see Kubiak was way more successful. I believe I remember him having Top 10 scoring offenses in 10 of his 11 seasons as an OC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 I think there are a few things worth pointing out and clarifying. Kubiak was OC in only one of those seasons. He led the Ravens to 8th in scoring with Flacco at QB. Equating offensive stats while he was HC is like judging DQ as a DC since he’s been in Atlanta. I think Bevel benefitted from a stellar D and ST’s contributing to field position, along with good OL. But he also never had the offensive talent we have here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: If you just compare just their tenure as OC I think you'll see Kubiak was way more successful. I believe I remember him having Top 10 scoring offenses in 10 of his 11 seasons as an OC. He also made everyone and their grandmother 1000 yard rushers in Denver. Sidecar Falcon, Drew4719, Schwarzwald and 3 others like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, ATLFalcon36 said: Have passing and rushing ranking breakdowns? I was posting this info and then I accidentally refreshed my browser window and gave up. You can compare them here though: http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&tabSeq=2&season=2013&role=TM&Submit=Go&archive=true&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false To make a long story short, Bevell's offense was great at rushing, and Kubiak's were balanced and a lot better at passing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 The biggest difference to me is the method in which they found success. Bevell constantly sought out mobile QBs... Tavaris Jackson at first in Minny & Seattle, and then R. Wilson in Seattle. Outside on one great year from Brett Farve in Minny, I don't believe Bevell has a track record of success using non-mobile QBs. Kubiak's philosophies on the other hand seem to fall in line with most of what we already have in place here.... which makes sense as he was an OC under Kyle's dad & Kyle was an OC under him. ThemDarnFalconsBoy! and Schwarzwald like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: If you just compare just their tenure as OC I think you'll see Kubiak was way more successful. I thought about doing that but I wanted to compare from the same sample size for the same years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jesus said: A lot of people see Kubiak as being a great OC and he was at one point back in the 90s - 2000s. Then they complain and that they want someone new and fresh with a cutting edge. Bevell is new and cutting edge to you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 Got this from twitter... Bevell wasn't perfect, but he got scapegoated for a lot of Seattle's offensive struggles near the end of his tenure, imo. From 2012-2015, the Seahawks' offense finished 4th, 7th, 5th, and 1st in DVOA FalconsIn2012 likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 Just now, youngbloodz said: Bevell is new and cutting edge to you Who's talking about Bevell? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, ThemDarnFalconsBoy! said: I thought about doing that but I wanted to compare from the same sample size for the same years. Hopefully the FO is focusing on that if they are actually pursuing Kubiak as an OC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 Just now, FalconFanSince1970 said: Hopefully the FO is focusing on that if they are actually pursuing Kubiak as an OC. Same here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Stray Dog THA GAWD said: "Welcome back, Smitty." You keep posting this in every thread & it still isn't funny/doesn't make any sense. blkbigdog35, Drew4719, No.11 and 4 others like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: Hopefully the FO is focusing on that if they are actually pursuing Kubiak as an OC. I get what you're saying the NFL was a very different league when Kubiak mainly an OC. Even if you look at what I posted 2014 is a fair OC comparison and it's still pretty close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 Kubes (I took liberty) didn't exactly have Matty Ice during his OC days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, ThemDarnFalconsBoy! said: I get what you're saying the NFL was a very different league when Kubiak mainly an OC. Even if you look at what I posted 2014 is a fair OC comparison and it's still pretty close. He was running the offense we want to run. Not a fan of it but if we're married to it he's the man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 Kubiak is staying in Denver with his rule TBD according to Elway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 18 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said: If you compare just their tenure as OC I think you'll see Kubiak was way more successful. I believe I remember him having Top 10 scoring offenses in 10 of his 11 seasons as an OC. Exactly, that’s a fair comparison. Right now this analysis is comparing apples and oranges FalconFanSince1970 likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted December 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, MSalmon said: Exactly, that’s a fair comparison. Right now this analysis is comparing apples and oranges How so? The NFL was a different league, with the exception of 2014, when Kubiak was an OC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
