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Does Ryan fold under Pressure? Scared of hits and pressure?

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7 minutes ago, Sandy5prings said:

News flash - Brady, Brees and Rodgers fold under pressure. Every QB sees ghosts if hit enough times, especially up the middle. 

You know what they call QBs who don't flinch under pressure? 

Retired

A-gap pressure is kryptonite to every quarterback not named Mike Vick

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14 minutes ago, HASHBROWN3 said:

The MR haters are writhing in pain as 007 has done a nice job of posting a few clever topics of agenda killing truth.

Lets face it, we have an awesome QB who deserves respect.  

Thanks OP.  

If you keep repeating the same thing, people will start believing the narrative. It’s better to see if those are myths and kill them. 

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2 hours ago, jlrfalcon said:

Simple test - watch an average Falcons game and count how many seconds Ryan has in the pocket to look for a receiver and then watch the opposing QB and how many seconds he has.

Our 3-man rush allows even rookie QB's a free pass to find somebody downfield (or get a penalty called on our coverage), but teams that play us know to just put a few in coverage and send most of the defense in to rush Ryan.  The only thing that has saved him are stupid opposing DC's or the few times we have had a rushing game pop up.

When we drop 8 and rush 3 it regularly confuses quarterbacks.  If our DB’s not named Kazee could catch, we’d have another 6-7 INT’s this year.  Tru alone may have 6-7.

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27 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

If you keep repeating the same thing, people will start believing the narrative. It’s better to see if those are myths and kill them. 

Bottom line

MR is one **** of a QB.

MR has been punking his haters since we drafted him.  With each passing year the MR haters look progressively more stupid than the previous year.  LOL let’s face it, the better his career gets, the more angry they become.

The haters lost the battle & the war at this point.  Their lies have no effect except to make themselves look out of touch with reality actually.

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8 hours ago, falcons007 said:

Here is how the QBs did under pressure in 2018. 

Completion % under pressure: 

Ryan is 4th( Cousins, Brees and Rivers Ahead)

Rodgers is 29 th and Russell Wilson is 17th. 

Accuracy ( with out drops):

Ryan is 3rd ( Cousins and Brees ahead) Brees has almost half of QB pressures as Ryan).

Rodgers is 25th, only scrambling Qb in top 10 is Deshaun Watson. 

NFL rating: 

Ryan is second in NFL behind Russell Wilson. 3rd on the list is Deshaun Watson. Rodgers is 20th. 

TD/Int: under pressure 

Ryan is fifth in TD, Brees and Rodgers are 11th.

Ryan has 8 TD and just 3 INT. Brees has 5 TD and 4 INT. 

Not bad for a guy who folds under pressure.

 

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12 hours ago, KCartledge85 said:

I’m a big Matt Ryan fan. To say he folds under pressure or he’s scared to take hits would be laughable.

That said, it does seem like he’s lost what made him Marty Ice. Early in his career, he lead a lot of 4th quarter comebacks. Over the past 4 years, it seems he/the offense stalls out when it comes to crunch time and game winning drives.

I simply can think of the last time we took a lead late in a game. GB 2 years ago?

Although I love Matt Ryan, I cannot argue this.  There is definitely an issue, and I'm hoping it'll be solved by shoring up the OL, because he & Julio aren't getting any younger.

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13 hours ago, Stray Dog THA GAWD said:

Great stats, tough, and zero Superbowl wins.

Thank you Quinn & Shanahan.  It would have been great to shut up all the Ryan haters, now we just have to keep listening to this garbage narrative and cross our fingers that he'll get another shot.

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13 hours ago, mattyicefalcon said:

More like our defense becomes charmin paper soft in 2nd half...

Teams at will ...march down and score T.Ds !! 

It doesnt matter how many pts Ryan puts up.....this trash red zone defense is atrocious!

Yeah, "let's just keep everything in front of us."

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14 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Ryan was the only one collected and calm in the Super Bowl.  After the strip sack he left the field and screamed to LaFleur “run the farkking football.”  Apparently nobody cared to listen.

Once up 28-3, the Falcons rushed the ball FOUR times.  If they simply ran up the gut 3 times and punted on all remaining possessions, they win easily.  Just kneel 3 times and punt

This right here!!  They could have kneeled 3 times after amazing throw and catch from Ryan to Julio to get them to the 22 yd line.  Kneel 3 times and kick a FG

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Saints / Dallas got back to their winning ways this year because of one factor = DEFENSE.

Ryan NEVER had an elite defense which shut down opponents in crucial 4th quarters or in red zone.....

So any amount of lead he had ...just use to evaporate yet, front office thought its okay spend more on offense and NOT bring big, physical forces upfront.

Until we dont fix trenches nothing will happen...we will be here decade from now...talking how many creative this team gave up big leads. 

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Just now, Gee-Q said:

This right here!!  They could have kneeled 3 times after amazing throw and catch from Ryan to Julio to get them to the 22 yd line.  Kneel 3 times and kick a FG

Shanny and D.Q are too cocky!! ....when you ignore basic football fundamentals thats what happens.

And clearly,  Dan Quinn has failed to manage games in pivotal moments of 4th quarter.

Its shame! 

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11 hours ago, falcons007 said:

Lot of that can be attributed to Mike Smith. How many times you have heard they practiced final 2 minute drill during Smitty Era. Falcons lead NFL in 2 min scoring offense most of 2008-2012. DQ needs to improve situational football.

This is a really good call out. I didn't realize it till the other day, but we struggle with the 2 minute offense. Whether it is before the half or at the end of the game, we are not as good as we used to be. 

I do think that the end of the half can be attributed to Quinn playing scared some times. At the end of the half, we are trying to score but also making sure we use time in case we have to give the ball back. In football, you can't do that because it plays into the other teams hands. I can remember a couple times where we ran the ball twice and asked Ryan to try to bail us out of a 3rd and long.

In the past, teams always focused on having a good 3rd down conversion rate. This is important, but teams are smarter these days. The best offenses try to avoid third downs by converting on 1st or 2nd down. Who cares about your 3rd down conversion rate if you consistently get 10+ yards on 1st and 2nd down?

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1 hour ago, Jpg428gggg said:

This is a really good call out. I didn't realize it till the other day, but we struggle with the 2 minute offense. Whether it is before the half or at the end of the game, we are not as good as we used to be. 

I do think that the end of the half can be attributed to Quinn playing scared some times. At the end of the half, we are trying to score but also making sure we use time in case we have to give the ball back. In football, you can't do that because it plays into the other teams hands. I can remember a couple times where we ran the ball twice and asked Ryan to try to bail us out of a 3rd and long.

In the past, teams always focused on having a good 3rd down conversion rate. This is important, but teams are smarter these days. The best offenses try to avoid third downs by converting on 1st or 2nd down. Who cares about your 3rd down conversion rate if you consistently get 10+ yards on 1st and 2nd down?

DQ is clueless in final 2 mins of half or end of the game. Ryan and offense drove down the field like clock work in no huddle offense. They were prepared.

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44 minutes ago, falcons007 said:

DQ is clueless in final 2 mins of half or end of the game. Ryan and offense drove down the field like clock work in no huddle offense. They were prepared.

I cringe whenever DQ calls a time out during other teams 2 min drive.  It's like he is trying to give them more time to score.  I know he is being aggressive to try and get the ball back with more time for the offense, but at least know your defense and what the chance it has to stop other team.       

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I like to use the old Jerry Glanville compliment on Ryan that I think he originally used for Bobby Herbert:

'He's as tough as a Waffle House steak'

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15 minutes ago, slickgadawg said:

As long as he doesn't have to block anyone, he is ok...:lol:

 

Image result for MATT RYAN BLOCKING GIF

LOL. I don't blame him there. That was Nick Fairley. A wise business decision :)

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Ryan fan checking in. He's always been good under pressure. He had no choice behind Dimi lines. With that said if there were a such thing as ghost pressure stats, I'd like to see where he ranks. Many times he felt pressure that wasn't there and mucked up the play. To me the last thing he needs to do is kill the ghost pressure plays and flatten out his deep balls.

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6 hours ago, runshoot said:

Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts, Fran Tarkenton say Hi.

More great QBs with no Superbowl wins, unless you prefer great QBs with no Superbowl wins.

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5 hours ago, Jpg428gggg said:

This is a really good call out. I didn't realize it till the other day, but we struggle with the 2 minute offense. Whether it is before the half or at the end of the game, we are not as good as we used to be. 

I do think that the end of the half can be attributed to Quinn playing scared some times. At the end of the half, we are trying to score but also making sure we use time in case we have to give the ball back. In football, you can't do that because it plays into the other teams hands. I can remember a couple times where we ran the ball twice and asked Ryan to try to bail us out of a 3rd and long.

In the past, teams always focused on having a good 3rd down conversion rate. This is important, but teams are smarter these days. The best offenses try to avoid third downs by converting on 1st or 2nd down. Who cares about your 3rd down conversion rate if you consistently get 10+ yards on 1st and 2nd down?

DQ is really good at calling timeouts at the end of both 1st and 2nd halves! He always stops the clock long enough for the other team to have time to continue marching down the field and score on us!!!  

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2 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Ryan fan checking in. He's always been good under pressure. He had no choice behind Dimi lines. With that said if there were a such thing as ghost pressure stats, I'd like to see where he ranks. Many times he felt pressure that wasn't there and mucked up the play. To me the last thing he needs to do is kill the ghost pressure plays and flatten out his deep balls.

That comes with constant pressure. Happens to every single QB out there when they start getting hit frequently in a game. 

Just look at how scared Brady was in the 1st half of SB51 we were all over him and he was throwing even when the pressure was not there. 2nd half we got tired, pressure stopped, and he had enough time to cook a 3 course meal in the backfield every play.

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17 minutes ago, Stray Dog THA GAWD said:

More great QBs with no Superbowl wins, unless you prefer great QBs with no Superbowl wins.

We certainly prefer them to bums like Schonert, Campbell, Graz, Tolliver, Kanell, Miller, Millen, Johnson, Kittner, Redman, Leftwich, Harrington, need I go on?

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21 minutes ago, Stray Dog THA GAWD said:

More great QBs with no Superbowl wins, unless you prefer great QBs with no Superbowl wins.

A great QB is a great QB. End of story. Football is the ultimate team sport and judging a QB by rings is equally as stupid as any other position. This is not basketball where one guy can dominate.

Eli Manning has 2 rings. Peyton Manning has 2 rings. Does that make them equal in how good they were?

Brees and Rodgers only have 1, Does that make Trent Dilfer as good as them?  Is Eli better than them?

Does it make Trent Dilfer better than all those great QBs listed prior to your response with 0 rings?

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