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Coleman Payday

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12 minutes ago, RubberDucky said:

I hope he gets paid what he wants. Got no qualms with the guy, just dont want it to be us.

 

I Think the safe bet for him would be going to a team w/ already established #1 back and continue to operate in tandem. I think he'd need to be in a near-perfect situatiuon to be a feature back in the league. Kansas City may be an option for him in that regard.

I think the RB coach in KC was his college coach as well.

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21 minutes ago, 1989Fan said:

I agree but Shanahan overpaid quite a few players his first year including A huge deal to the ravens fullback.

He also drafted Solomon (#3 overall - can’t get on the field) & Foster (#31 - cut for being a *********).  He is lucky he got Jimmy G, cause two first round busts is a tough one to overcome.

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22 minutes ago, Lornoth said:

Exactly. I think McKinnon got overpaid, which makes me question using him as the benchmark, but we'll see. I have a feeling Teco will get a good chunk of cash from somebody desperate for speed.

When the Steelers move on from Bell I wonder if the look his way as a rotational, joker type of player for their offense.

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Whether he stays or goes is dependent on him.   He will get paid if he leaves.  It's TAFT and at some point everyone on the team has been called a bum by some group of folks here.  What I do fear is that he is going to get behind a line that will block for him and have an OC who will use him a lot more as a receiver than we did and like that bum Andre Roberts, we find out too late.  I DO NOT WANT TO FACE COLEMAN.

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That actually seems doable. I’m sure TD could work out a deal for something like 32 million over 4 years. Really hope we can keep him.

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8 minutes ago, Drew4719 said:

That actually seems doable. I’m sure TD could work out a deal for something like 32 million over 4 years. Really hope we can keep him.

You only make that kind’ve move if you plan on cutting Freeman post 2020 June 1st. Etc. it’d have to be another cash up front and lower cap hit than the average suggests with the cut Free later in mind.

Probably smarter to get a speedy 3rd back and bring Ito along as well.

You can’t coach speed, but we need Free or OL overall; probably both more right now. Coleman after that. He just isn’t quite the same RB. Good skill set but more of a compliment than primary back. I would like him back.

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2 hours ago, 1989Fan said:

I hope he gets it, it will be a better comp pick for us then.  That said if I recall there were some snippets from teams around the league that Coleman didn’t do himself any favors this year and failed to maximize his chance to earn a big contract.

He did stay healthy though

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Since when is a 4 year, $30 million contract that unreasonable?

This is $7.5 million a year which is only $100K more than we are scheduled to pay Sanu in 2019, $250K less than Schraeder (will he even be around?), $2.6 million less than we pay Alford (certain to be cut?) and only $2 million more than Brooks Reed (another certain cut?).  We also probably will not resign Schaub who is making $4.5 million this year (Benkert new backup?).

It would actually be $750K more than we are scheduled to pay Freeman next year in 2019 but Freeman's salary jumps higher in 2020.  Freeman's contract was 5 years/$41.25 million but the 4th year (2021) is only $3 million guaranteed and the 5th year (2022) is $0 guaranteed, so he would be easy to cut after 2020.  

The trick would be to spread this contract out so that we pay as little as possible in 2019 and then put the bulk of it in future years.  It would also be best to make as little of the contract guaranteed as possible.

https://overthecap.com/calculator/atlanta-falcons/

Jerick McKinnon's contract (only $4 million and $2 million cap hits in last 2 years if cut):

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/jerick-mckinnon-14507/

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3 hours ago, caponine said:

i dont think he will tbh, probably closer to 20 mil

He will get 30. I'd put big money on it. I just hope the Falcons aren't the ones to give it to him. 

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2 hours ago, Drew4719 said:

That actually seems doable. I’m sure TD could work out a deal for something like 32 million over 4 years. Really hope we can keep him.

I actually like Coleman...but in today’s NFL you can’t pay 2 backs.  You are right, it’s certainly doable.  Just not prudent at this point IMO.  Wish we could keep him cause I too like Teco.  His greatest asset still is untapped under Sark: a threat out of the backfield catching the ball.  Dude eats up linebackers.  Remember this? Rob Nonkovich (sp) is helpless.  Great disguise by Shanny

 

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4 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

I actually like Coleman...but in today’s NFL you can’t pay 2 backs.  You are right, it’s certainly doable.  Just not prudent at this point IMO.  Wish we could keep him cause I too like Teco.  His greatest asset still is untapped under Sark: a threat out of the backfield catching the ball.  Dude eats up linebackers.  Remember this? Rob Nonkovich (sp) is helpless.  Great disguise by Shanny

 

Stop the video at 6 second mark and see what good playcalling is.  Everything and everybody rolls left.  The assumption is a fade to Julio.  Ryan doesn’t even acknowledge Teco filling the void on the right.  Easy TD.  Great disguise...great sell by Matt.  

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14 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Stop the video at 6 second mark and see what good playcalling is.  Everything and everybody rolls left.  The assumption is a fade to Julio.  Ryan doesn’t even acknowledge Teco filling the void on the right.  Easy TD.  Great disguise...great sell by Matt.  

This is why I say Teco is replaceable. There isn't anything he did on that play. That was all scheme and pre-snap work. Get a better OC who can scheme and come up with these plays and Teco is replaced. 

He's getting at least McKinnon's contract somewhere. It's a waste of money to spend that on Teco. That's $70MM in the backfield. Stupid. 

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14 minutes ago, vel said:

This is why I say Teco is replaceable. There isn't anything he did on that play. That was all scheme and pre-snap work. Get a better OC who can scheme and come up with these plays and Teco is replaced. 

He's getting at least McKinnon's contract somewhere. It's a waste of money to spend that on Teco. That's $70MM in the backfield. Stupid. 

His speed allowed him to beat the linebacker to the edge.  I don’t believe Free scores there.  But I get what you are saying

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3 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

His speed allowed him to beat the linebacker to the edge.  I don’t believe Free scores there.  But I get what you are saying

The trash in the middle allowed him to beat the LB, mainly Hooper holding him up. His speed helped him finish, but that's not a difficult spot that required a ton of speed. Free scores that just as easily. 

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On the surface in a vacuum that contract isn't unreasonable, but for the 2019 and forward Falcons it is.

We have to pay Grady, pay some other players soon after, and pay some free agents to try and fill other holes. We can't tie up that money in addition to all the other money we have tied up on offense.

Especially when he is replaceable for less money. Hill came in for goodness sakes and made runs as good as anything he has done. He's a one trick pony and while that might be a nice luxury to spend money on, it's a luxury we don't need considering our other needs. 

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2018 Falcons Offense Salary Summary - if Levitre, Schaub, Garland, ... are gone, why can we not sign Tevin?

Player Pos 2018 Salary Bonus 1 Bonus 2 Sal Cap Hit
Matt Ryan QB $6,000,000 $11,700,000 $0 $17,700,000
Julio Jones WR $9,000,000 $3,866,666 $0 $12,866,666
Alex Mack C $8,500,000 $2,550,000 $0 $11,050,000
Jake Matthews LT $5,500,000 $2,789,200 $0 $8,289,200
Mohamed Sanu WR $6,125,000 $1,400,000 $0 $7,525,000
Ryan Schraeder RT $5,000,000 $1,300,000 $200,000 $6,475,000
Devonta Freeman RB $2,000,000 $3,000,000 $0 $5,000,000
Brandon Fusco RG $2,250,000 $750,000 $0 $3,000,000
Calvin Ridley WR $480,000 $1,501,951 $0 $1,981,951
Austin Hooper TE $630,000 $186,881 $0 $842,881
Wes Schweitzer RG $630,000 $33,095 $0 $663,095
Ito Smith RB $480,000 $155,218 $0 $621,453
Eric Saubert TE $555,000 $56,850 $0 $611,850
Russell Gage WR $480,000 $39,048 $0 $519,048
Matt Gono T $480,000 $2,500 $0 $482,500
Ricky Ortiz FB $480,000 $0 $0 $480,000
Brian Hill RB $129,200 $0 $0 $129,200
Jeremy Langford RB $630,000 $0 $0 $74,118
           
  Subtotal (Offense-signed into 2019) $49,349,200 $29,331,409 $200,000 $78,311,962
           
Andy Levitre LG $3,500,000 $1,375,000 $1,000,000 $5,875,000
Matt Schaub QB $2,750,000 $1,250,000 $500,000 $4,500,000
Ben Garland LG $2,914,000 $0 $0 $2,914,000
Tevin Coleman RB $791,628 $186,311 $0 $977,939
Ty Sambrailo LT $959,448 $0 $0 $959,448
Justin Hardy WR $705,000 $135,205 $0 $840,205
Logan Paulsen TE $915,000 $90,000 $0 $720,000
Marvin Hall WR $555,000 $0 $0 $555,000
Zane Beadles LG $915,000 $0 $0 $333,529
Daniel Brunskill G $129,200 $0 $0 $129,200
Alex Gray TE $129,200 $0 $0 $129,200
Kurt Benkert QB $129,200 $0 $0 $129,200
Devin Gray WR $129,200 $0 $0 $129,200
Jaeden Graham TE $129,200 $0 $0 $129,200
Sean Harlow LG $129,200 $0 $0 $76,000
Chris Durant LT $129,200 $0 $0 $15,200
Christian Blake WR $129,200 $0 $0 $15,200
           
  Subtotal (Offense-2019 unsigned) $15,038,676 $3,036,516 $1,500,000 $18,427,521
           
           
  Total Offense $64,387,876 $32,367,925 $1,700,000 $96,739,483
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As salty as I am about TeCo, the man's gotta do what's right for himself and his family. If he goes to a team with a half decent OL, he's got a chance to make some noise. TeCo's got the talent to be a guy who can take it to the house any given play

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