FalconsIn2012 35,693 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Edit: still applies this year. I understand your desire for a top-5 pick. It’s sexy and exciting. But ask yourself this: if we lost the past 2 games, what would it say about our team? If we lost to Arizona & Carolina, it would be a problem. The team would be terminal and in need of a purge. Thankfully we won convincingly. That’s what a good team does. It wasn’t perfect or pretty, but we asserted ourselves. I’d rather go into the offseason looking like the team we all assumed we were 6 months ago. It gives us reasonable hope for 2019. If we lost 5 in a row to end the year, it would be a terrifying offseason. Picking in the top-5 is great in a rebuild...but I’d rather pick 12th with reasonable expectations of playoffs and possibly more in 2019. Knight of God, WhenFalconsWin, VTCrunkler and 9 others 12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steel City Falcon 1,072 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 It would say the team is as bad as we thought. Now with them winning pointless games, it gives Quinn a reason to second guess firing the OC and DC. Not to mention player evaluations. vitaman, No Talent *** Clown, Sponge and 4 others 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconsIn2012 35,693 Posted December 24, 2018 Author Share Posted December 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, Steel City Falcon said: It would say the team is as bad as we thought. Now with them winning pointless games, it gives Quinn a reason to second guess firing the OC and DC. Not to mention player evaluations. Guess you see something different. No worries. From my POV, the foundation of a great team is still intact. Just needs health and a reboot. I for one am glad to see a semblance of the team we all thought we had. Knight of God, Drunken Minotaur Zebra and FalconFanSince1970 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11=team 357 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 There's not a serious fan who attends Falcons games or has a vested interest in this team who wants them to tank for a stupid chance at getting two or three draft chances higher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VTCrunkler 9,134 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 It would be a bad look, especially Cardinals. I didn't think we were close to playing our best and we beat them (car and az) handily. To loose to them on purpose is for looser franchises. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falcanuck 10,532 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Losing while resting key banged up players and getting a look at your quality of depth is not a bad look PokerSteve, Boise Falcon Fan, Sidecar Falcon and 5 others 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TSprings 616 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 You can argue losing hurts the team more than lower draft picks as it takes away from the pride and mentality of what it means to be a Falcon. Browns have lost for two decades not because they didn't have high draft picks, but that being a Brown basically implied that your okay with losing. Being a Patriot meant you win games even though you are picking 25+ every year. Every NFL player is a very capable athlete and like most things in life it comes down to your mentality and will to succeed. Xfactor and Falcons_Frenzy 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconsIn2012 35,693 Posted December 24, 2018 Author Share Posted December 24, 2018 53 minutes ago, Falcanuck said: Losing while resting key banged up players and getting a look at your quality of depth is not a bad look That’s a different scenario. I’m saying if we play our guys like it’s the playoffs. Playing to win..playing through injury. That’s what has been happening. In this scenario , I’m glad we are winning and doing so easily. If we had lost our franchise would be in disarray with more questions than answers.. Finish the drill and win out...I’ll feel much better about 2019 if we do so Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falcanuck 10,532 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 29 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said: That’s a different scenario. I’m saying if we play our guys like it’s the playoffs. Playing to win..playing through injury. That’s what has been happening. In this scenario , I’m glad we are winning and doing so easily. If we had lost our franchise would be in disarray with more questions than answers.. Finish the drill and win out...I’ll feel much better about 2019 if we do so idk I personally think the team is in disarray and has more questions than answers anyway vitaman and XXVIII-III 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconsIn2012 35,693 Posted December 24, 2018 Author Share Posted December 24, 2018 8 hours ago, Falcanuck said: idk I personally think the team is in disarray and has more questions than answers anyway It certainly has issues. But things are starting to improve which is a very good thing. I’d rather see an improving team...it’s worth the 5-6 draft spots it will cost us IMO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boise Falcon Fan 4,027 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 12 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said: I understand your desire for a top-5 pick. It’s sexy and exciting. But ask yourself this: if we lost the past 2 games, what would it say about our team? If we lost to Arizona & Carolina, it would be a problem. The team would be terminal and in need of a purge. Thankfully we won convincingly. That’s what a good team does. It wasn’t perfect or pretty, but we asserted ourselves. I’d rather go into the offseason looking like the team we all assumed we were 6 months ago. It gives us reasonable hope for 2019. If we lost 5 in a row to end the year, it would be a terrifying offseason. Picking in the top-5 is great in a rebuild...but I’d rather pick 12th with reasonable expectations of playoffs and possibly more in 2019. I think this is the best statement I've seen on this board in sometime. It's rational, not attacking, and stated quite well. Although I wanted a high draft pick, I cannot argue this post at all. Nicely done... FalconsIn2012 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boise Falcon Fan 4,027 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 12 hours ago, 11=team said: There's not a serious fan who attends Falcons games or has a vested interest in this team who wants them to tank for a stupid chance at getting two or three draft chances higher. I hate to shoot down your narrative, but we've lost a lot more than "2 or 3" spots... No Talent *** Clown 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boise Falcon Fan 4,027 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 11 hours ago, TSprings said: You can argue losing hurts the team more than lower draft picks as it takes away from the pride and mentality of what it means to be a Falcon. Browns have lost for two decades not because they didn't have high draft picks, but that being a Brown basically implied that your okay with losing. Being a Patriot meant you win games even though you are picking 25+ every year. Every NFL player is a very capable athlete and like most things in life it comes down to your mentality and will to succeed. Comparing any team to the Patriots is not using any form of critical thinking. The Pats are the exception, and not the rule. Wanting a higher draft pick does not make one a loser despite what many on these boards would have you believe. Having a higher draft position can help in more than one round, and it gives you more options, trade down, more players to choose from, etc. Jerz #GurleySZN, No Talent *** Clown and Cheap Talk 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAD597 7,497 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 13 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said: I understand your desire for a top-5 pick. It’s sexy and exciting. But ask yourself this: if we lost the past 2 games, what would it say about our team? If we lost to Arizona & Carolina, it would be a problem. The team would be terminal and in need of a purge. Thankfully we won convincingly. That’s what a good team does. It wasn’t perfect or pretty, but we asserted ourselves. I’d rather go into the offseason looking like the team we all assumed we were 6 months ago. It gives us reasonable hope for 2019. If we lost 5 in a row to end the year, it would be a terrifying offseason. Picking in the top-5 is great in a rebuild...but I’d rather pick 12th with reasonable expectations of playoffs and possibly more in 2019. A top 5 pick isn't just in the first round. You get better valued picks throughout the draft and gives us a better chance to trade down for more picks. Osiruz and Cheap Talk 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gold4425 1,594 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 By finishing higher it insures we have a tougher schedule. MAD597 and Cheap Talk 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FalconFanSince1970 24,530 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, Boise Falcon Fan said: Comparing any team to the Patriots is not using any form of critical thinking. The Pats are the exception, and not the rule. Wanting a higher draft pick does not make one a loser despite what many on these boards would have you believe. Having a higher draft position can help in more than one round, and it gives you more options, trade down, more players to choose from, etc. No but wanting your team to lose does. Knight of God 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Osiruz 10,079 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 13 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said: Guess you see something different. No worries. From my POV, the foundation of a great team is still intact. Just needs health and a reboot. I for one am glad to see a semblance of the team we all thought we had. Team is overrated, all it gives you is false hope that this isnt a sheet show and many of the inherent problems will not be remedied and show their ugly face again. I bet another blown lead we probably won't try to fix the OL or OC problem. I also think we roll with the same Dbs next season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Osiruz 10,079 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 12 hours ago, TSprings said: You can argue losing hurts the team more than lower draft picks as it takes away from the pride and mentality of what it means to be a Falcon. Browns have lost for two decades not because they didn't have high draft picks, but that being a Brown basically implied that your okay with losing. Being a Patriot meant you win games even though you are picking 25+ every year. Every NFL player is a very capable athlete and like most things in life it comes down to your mentality and will to succeed. Browns are going to be one of the best teams next season. They should've been a playoff team this season if they didn't have one of the worst all time HC and beat us handily. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WhenFalconsWin 27,933 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Tanking for a few spots higher for a pick that could possibly be a generational player is just a pipe dream. Now changing mediocre coordinators for ones that are innovative and to build for a winning future is priceless. Knight of God 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcon1fan 741 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 15 hours ago, 11=team said: There's not a serious fan who attends Falcons games or has a vested interest in this team who wants them to tank for a stupid chance at getting two or three draft chances higher. Thats not true. Ive been a serious fan since the 80s, been to several games, and havent missed one on broadcast in years. That said 2 games ago i was all for tanking. We arent talking 2 or 3 places were talking top 5 to maybe mid round which could be 10-12 places. If youre going to tell me that many places dont change things id say you couldnt be more wrong. Ive seen enough pointless wins and moral victories to last id like to be in the best possible position to draft the best possible players. Cheap Talk 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mgaffar 13 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 15 hours ago, 11=team said: There's not a serious fan who attends Falcons games or has a vested interest in this team who wants them to tank for a stupid chance at getting two or three draft chances higher. 22 minutes ago, falcon1fan said: Thats not true. Ive been a serious fan since the 80s, been to several games, and havent missed one on broadcast in years. That said 2 games ago i was all for tanking. We arent talking 2 or 3 places were talking top 5 to maybe mid round which could be 10-12 places. If youre going to tell me that many places dont change things id say you couldnt be more wrong. Ive seen enough pointless wins and moral victories to last id like to be in the best possible position to draft the best possible players. Um I am a serious fan (section 134 PSL holder) and I was at the game rooting for the cardinals to win in my #45 Deion Jones jersey. Not by a blow out but 3 points would have made me one happy TRUE SERIOUS FALCON FAN who is INVESTED. A top 6 pick isn't a guarantee but the value being that high up and the chances of it panning out over a top 15 pick is worth tanking. A stupid chance? lol if we lost the cardinals and panthers game we would be sitting at the 4-5 spot versus where we are currently. Once our season was over winning any more games was pointless. This season was a loss and now its even more of a loss now that we are picking out of the top 10. Getting a top 5 pick would have helped with the ****** season this team had. I could care less for winning going into the offseason. A 7-9 without making the playoffs is worse than a 5-11 season in my eyes as a SERIOUS FAN. I only care about winning and having a top 5 draft pick gives us better chances than a top 15. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Drunken Minotaur Zebra 7,032 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 16 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said: Guess you see something different. No worries. From my POV, the foundation of a great team is still intact. Just needs health and a reboot. I for one am glad to see a semblance of the team we all thought we had. Exactly. Tanking is for losers. Period. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobby.Digital 4,055 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said: That’s a different scenario. I’m saying if we play our guys like it’s the playoffs. Playing to win..playing through injury. That’s what has been happening. In this scenario , I’m glad we are winning and doing so easily. If we had lost our franchise would be in disarray with more questions than answers.. Finish the drill and win out...I’ll feel much better about 2019 if we do so We were in disarray during the 2nd half of the 2015 season, how did we follow that up? Does anyone have proof that how you finish a season affects how you start and finish the next or are people just making **** up to prove their point? Also seems like people have different take on what tanking is. Some think you want your team to throw the game. But most of us who are supporting "tanking" really just want us to lose. Not for the players or coaching staff to intentionally throw the game. Edited December 24, 2018 by Bobby.Digital Osiruz and Jerz #GurleySZN 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mgaffar 13 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Bobby.Digital said: We were in disarray during the 2nd half of the 2015 season, how did we follow that up? Does anyone have proof that how you finish a season has any correlation to how you start and finish the next or are people just making **** up to prove their point? Also seems like people have different take on what tanking is. Some think you want your team to throw the game. But most of us who are supporting "tanking" really just want us to lose. Not for the players or coaching staff to intentionally throw the game. This whole winning going in to the off-season helps with the following season is idiotic nonsense. Football has one of the highest turnovers from year to year for a team. Our team as a foundation might be the same but that's about it. Winning at the end of this season will have no bearing whatsoever how we do next season other than giving DQ some doubt on whether to make some coaching changes in the off-season. I didn't want the falcons to get blown out but i wanted them to play a good game and lose on the last play or drive. Pretty much how our season has played out. Edited December 24, 2018 by Mgaffar typo Bobby.Digital, Osiruz and No Talent *** Clown 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11=team 357 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 4 hours ago, falcon1fan said: Thats not true. Ive been a serious fan since the 80s, been to several games, and havent missed one on broadcast in years. That said 2 games ago i was all for tanking. We arent talking 2 or 3 places were talking top 5 to maybe mid round which could be 10-12 places. If youre going to tell me that many places dont change things id say you couldnt be more wrong. Ive seen enough pointless wins and moral victories to last id like to be in the best possible position to draft the best possible players. ...there is no such thing as a pointless win as teams are defined and remembered by their record. Your methodology would certainly make the Falcons losers over years. Football is a team sport and there is absolutely no evidence that tanking for a higher draft choice improves any chances of getting a Lombardi. I can recall only one number 1 pick who became a SB MVP - Eli Manning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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