Arthur Blank and Falcons must go all in on Gary Kubiak if they truly want to maximize this Super Bowl window.

[Tribal Chief]

1 minute ago, THEHEADCOACH said:

Players make mistakes, but good coaching will minimize them. How many more seasons are you willing to waste while Sark figures this out and learns? You're wanting the talent to go out there and continue to perform in spite of the coach. Which they have done at times, when they are just that much better than who they are facing.  I want the coach to have the talent prepared to execute and perform no matter who they face. I want the coach to put them in a position to succeed. It was obvious the Sark's first year, that wasn't happening, yet people like you continued to blame the players. Then Sark and Quinn both admitted Sark was in over his head, although not in those exact words, he struggled with the things that everyone tried to say he was struggling with.  Even in his best games, you can still see it, but a loaded offense kept performing. He's lost some valuable pieces, I'm willing to give him a pass on that, but I need to see a confident prepared offense take that field. He may eventually get it figured out, I just wonder how long it will take. In the meantime I guess y'all can continue to excuse it away , till he finally gets it, then finally get to say he ,he did it , like you were right all along. Which is as stupid as people trying to compare his first and second year to Kyle's. How had to rebuild an offense and teach it. Sark came into a loaded offense and broke it down.  Stupid comparison. I just want to see some direction in this offense from sark, something that hasn't happened since he's been here, and I want them prepared.

I’m sorry but no matter how good the coach is, they can’t prevent the bs the players have done this year. 

[THEHEADCOACH]

3 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

I’m sorry but no matter how good the coach is, they can’t prevent the bs the players have done this year. 

You're greatly underestimating the difference in a well coached team. A offense that their coordinator knows exactly what they want, how they want it,  and knows how to prepare a team to do that.

[JD dirtybird21]

2 hours ago, HMFIC said:

He's certainly not running his own offense, he doesn't HAVE one, unless he brought it from USC, and therein lies the problem. he has no business being an OC in the NFL, and Quinn needs to be blamed for even hiring him.

This is 100% made up. You have no proof of this statement being true at all

[JD dirtybird21]

1 hour ago, Atl Falcon said:

He did and Smith wasn’t very good... but Armstrong has been terrible since he got there and Sark been terrible for two yrs. Shanny left on his own. So he’s definitely been loyal to Armstrong and didn’t make a change with Sark this yr.... and imo he’s been way too loyal to VB and other players as well. Has he pulled MM and Sarks play calling duties?? The whole brotherhood thing seems too much about loyalty....it’s a business not politics. I guess time will tell

Sark has been “terrible?” Define “terrible.” Because his offense is ranked 10th this year and was 8th last year as well as 1st in 3rd down %. You may try twist my words and say that I’m calling Sark good...I’m not. But to call him “terrible” is pretty unfair 

[Pacific_Falcon]

11 hours ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

If Quinn is the defensive guru that has been claimed why does he just run the defense himself?

If Sark and Manuel are not fired the day after this miserable season is over then Quinn is not the HC we need here.

But, but...we had injuries!!!

[Xfactor]

2 hours ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

Meh, Dak is a good deal better than Carr, imo. But I think a lot of that profit has been Amari raising his level of play. His usage in Oakland was fine. He was just bad. 

And in Sark's defense, its tough not to abandon the run game when the run game is absolutely awful. I mean, I think its largely his fault the run game is so bad but that doesnt change the fact that it simply isnt effective at moving the ball for this offense. 

As a player with his run game yes but passing they are about the same.

In Oakland Cooper was being used on go or fly routes totally relying on his speed. Dallas is being a lot more creative with the route tree that's why he is being more successful.

Coleman is a one cut and go type back not between the tackles. Some of the blame is the OL not blocking but once he has some space he can still do damage Sark has never used him correctly.

[Atl Falcon]

57 minutes ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

Sark has been “terrible?” Define “terrible.” Because his offense is ranked 10th this year and was 8th last year as well as 1st in 3rd down %. You may try twist my words and say that I’m calling Sark good...I’m not. But to call him “terrible” is pretty unfair 

Define the play calls in the red zone at the end of the game against the Eagles in game one - define the two fourth and ones against the Ravens two weeks ago. You’re right he’s not terrible - he’s TURRIBLE. Now how fair is that to the Atl fans? I’ll tell you ....UNFAIR is an understatement. 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

At this point, it would probably be a career saving move for both Quinn and DUMBmitrof.(Has he gone into witness protection? Cause I haven't seen him in a while)

[Spts1]

On 12/13/2018 at 8:20 AM, WhenFalconsWin said:

If Quinn is the defensive guru that has been claimed why does he just run the defense himself?

If Sark and Manuel are not fired the day after this miserable season is over then Quinn is not the HC we need here.

Maybe its Quinn that needs to go...

Edited December 14, 2018 by slickgadawg

[TheJudge]

6 hours ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

You're still here vom'ing up tripe about "Shanahan's offense" like it's an IKEA instruction manual. 

I dont really care about experience level....I care about skill and proficiency. And while Sarkisian certainly has issues, he's still overseen a very productive offense for two years. So while you're making stuff up about experience, he's literally adding experience as a productive OC. 

So yeah, when you suggest you know more about NFL offenses than Steve Sarkisian and then you say "I calls em the way I sees em" you need to get your eyes checked....and maybe read a book or forty. 

Considering your position as "administrator" your post comes across as bullying.  And I object to such.  Was your use of the term "vom'ing" an attempt to get around the language filter? Perhaps you should read your sticky post where you threaten to ban others for such.  And you accuse the poster of "vom'ing up tripe"?? Tripe is the lining of a stomach and is primarily tissue.  What in the world does this have to do with a post on a football discussion board?  Clearly an abuse of discretion.  You are way too big for your britches.

[Falcons Fan MVP]

23 hours ago, Macintez said:

This just needs to happen... I am typically in favor of keeping staff around for two reasons.

1. Continuity 

2. Development (For both players and coaches)

But Kubiak throwing himself in the mix of OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR would be a dream come true for us because if he wanted to be a head coach he would be a TOP candidate but is submitting himself to a lesser role. Quinn really wants an offensive coordinator that he doesn’t have to worry about for the sake of him being fully hands on with the defense. Him having to constantly answer questions about the offensive is something that he is not used to. As much as I like Sark, I think he would be better served learning under Kubiak. TD needs to make this move, I understand being loyal to people but he loyal to winning.

 

22 hours ago, Atl Falcon said:

That’s DQ problem...he’s too loyal. I think that will end up costing him his job. He’s too loyal to his players and coaches..... Sark, MM, KA plus giving players like Bs and Duke Riley way too much PT without positive results is DQ weakness. 

TD should beheld accountable for the poor OL DL and lack of overalls depth. 

Kubiak would be a great hire...but DQ and TD should be on the HOT seat next yr.

 

11 hours ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

Where exactly did people get this idea that Quinn is “too loyal?” Didn’t he pull play calling duties from Richard Smith and let him go at the end of the 2016 season?

 

10 hours ago, 1989Fan said:

He is too loyal? He has been here 3 seasons and on his 2nd set of coordinators on both sides of the ball. And brought in Knapp as an outsider because he didn’t have faith in Sark...let’s let him actually keep SS and MM before we make more unfactual accusations;)

Duke played zero snaps last week also. 

So what are the chances Kubiak comes to Atlanta next year?

[Knight of God]

I’m with that

[1989Fan]

12 hours ago, Atl Falcon said:

Shanny left on his own....Sark proved last yr he couldn’t do it.....I’d say he was pretty loyal Duke to wait 29 gms into his career before benching him. And let’s not forget about Bs being awful and making a spot for him last yr as a OLB. Maybe I’m blind but it appears to me there’s something wrong here. Maybe he needs to hire competent coaches. Yea and the Knapp hire proves my point....as you said he didn’t have confidence in Sark so he hired Knapp....that tells me he’s too loyal. MM was on staff and a DQ protoge .....is all that not being loyal or is it plain stupid? I want a coach that holds players and coaches accountable to perform their job with no excuses or multiple chances. 

I get a Shanny left, but the sample size is small with quinn, my point is way to early to claim he is loyal to a fault. My opinion is our fan base is too quick to want to jump ship. Y’all wanted Shanny fires after year one as well.

if he doesn’t fire Sark this year I may agree w you more. But y’all are accusing Quinn of being too loyal and not firing Sark, and the season isn’t even over. Let him be too loyal before pointing fingers.

he fired the DC after the defense made great strides in the 2nd half of the SB Run, surprising many. How is that too loyal? It was his hand picked DC.

not sure the Knapp hire proves your point at all. IMO it tells Sark you need help and things must get better. Again, not sure why y’all thought we would make major changes after being the only nfc team to have B2B playoff appearances. I think it was the right move to keep Sark last off-season....I do not think so this year though. That said, there will be drawbacks to starting over on offense as well, and I find the players comments that is isn’t coaching but them executing that’s the problem....

[Da_Truth]

Bring the man in and stop wasting Ryan's prime years with a coach who's still trying to figure it out.

[Vandy]

18 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

Can we at least let Sark get fired first before moving on from him prematurely. I know no one on this team will publicly call out a coach like past stars and on other teams, but the top 2 guys on offense have said way too many times the issue is poor execution. They don't carry practice over to game day. I honestly don't think Sark will get fired. It's clear that the offensive line is complete trash and the receivers can't make catches when it matters most. That isn't on Sark no matter how much fans try to put it on him. It would be a surprise if Sark is fired and Matt ends up with his 5th OC.

LOL, bring it boi j.

sark’s not the problem on this team anyway, certainly not the biggest one. This thread proves most fans have no clue what’s going on with this team. 

[Tribal Chief]

10 minutes ago, Vandy said:

LOL, bring it boi j.

sark’s not the problem on this team anyway, certainly not the biggest one. This thread proves most fans have no clue what’s going on with this team. 

He really isn't. I haven't seen a single justifying reason showing that he is. It's more complaining than reasoning. Shanahan spoiled peeps. That's what it boils down to

[Atl Falcon]

3 hours ago, Vandy said:

LOL, bring it boi j.

sark’s not the problem on this team anyway, certainly not the biggest one. This thread proves most fans have no clue what’s going on with this team. 

Sarks not the problem???? Who was calling plays in the red zone against the Eagles play after play after play and didn’t score and who was doing the play calling against the Ravens on 4th and 1 near mid field with 4 players in A gap and then run straight up the middle - who called the Sanu pass on 4th and 1 near mid field against the Ravens that was incomplete???? Competent OCs get that right more times than not and don’t look stupid doing it. I agree, we have OL issues no doubt, but surely one would understand a fan base or the players not trusting a guy that hasn’t proven much if anything in two yrs. To say Sark’s not the problem.....that’s a huge statement? Really????

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

12 hours ago, TheJudge said:

Considering your position as "administrator" your post comes across as bullying.  And I object to such.  Was your use of the term "vom'ing" an attempt to get around the language filter? Perhaps you should read your sticky post where you threaten to ban others for such.  And you accuse the poster of "vom'ing up tripe"?? Tripe is the lining of a stomach and is primarily tissue.  What in the world does this have to do with a post on a football discussion board?  Clearly an abuse of discretion.  You are way too big for your britches.

lol

"I object to such"

amazing. 

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

5 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

He really isn't. I haven't seen a single justifying reason showing that he is. It's more complaining than reasoning. Shanahan spoiled peeps. That's what it boils down to

Which is hysterical because before 2016, people were saying the exact same thing about Kyle Shanahan needing to go. 

Funny how that works, isnt it? 

[RHEC]

God our fanbase is really stupid.

[Tribal Chief]

15 minutes ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

Which is hysterical because before 2016, people were saying the exact same thing about Kyle Shanahan needing to go. 

Funny how that works, isnt it? 

the response to that from the anti Sark crowd would be the improvement from year one to year two with shanny.

[Tribal Chief]

2 hours ago, Atl Falcon said:

Sarks not the problem???? Who was calling plays in the red zone against the Eagles play after play after play and didn’t score and who was doing the play calling against the Ravens on 4th and 1 near mid field with 4 players in A gap and then run straight up the middle - who called the Sanu pass on 4th and 1 near mid field against the Ravens that was incomplete???? Competent OCs get that right more times than not and don’t look stupid doing it. I agree, we have OL issues no doubt, but surely one would understand a fan base or the players not trusting a guy that hasn’t proven much if anything in two yrs. To say Sark’s not the problem.....that’s a huge statement? Really????

to downplay any wrong doing from the players is a huge problem.

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

Just now, ya_boi_j said:

the response to that from the anti Sark crowd would be the improvement from year one to year two with shanny.

Probably. Because most folks don't understand why/how things work, they just chase "results." 

Which means one year you're saying "DO X!" and the next year you're screaming "DO Y!" 

Chasing shadows. 

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

2 hours ago, Atl Falcon said:

Sarks not the problem???? Who was calling plays in the red zone against the Eagles play after play after play and didn’t score and who was doing the play calling against the Ravens on 4th and 1 near mid field with 4 players in A gap and then run straight up the middle - who called the Sanu pass on 4th and 1 near mid field against the Ravens that was incomplete???? Competent OCs get that right more times than not and don’t look stupid doing it. I agree, we have OL issues no doubt, but surely one would understand a fan base or the players not trusting a guy that hasn’t proven much if anything in two yrs. To say Sark’s not the problem.....that’s a huge statement? Really????

lol the Falcons went like 18/19 in their next 19 red zone appearances. 

Currently 9th in "red zone %" 9th in YPP, 9th in expected points added, 6th in AY/A, 5th in expected points added in the passing game. 

the run game sucks for sure and I think Sarkisian has to own a lot of that. But you guys are vastly vastly overstating the problems with the offense. Just like everyone did last year. 

Sark is part of the problem. As are the players dropping the ball and the players missing their blocks and the players making poor decisions about where the football should go. 

[Tribal Chief]

24 minutes ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

Probably. Because most folks don't understand why/how things work, they just chase "results." 

Which means one year you're saying "DO X!" and the next year you're screaming "DO Y!" 

Chasing shadows. 

yup. it's entertaining though.