Arthur Blank and Falcons must go all in on Gary Kubiak if they truly want to maximize this Super Bowl window.

[Macintez]

2 hours ago, HMFIC said:

ummmm.................how can Sark learn under Kubiak if Kubiac replaces him ?

Make up a role to keep him... Assistant offensive coordinator. Lol

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

I think it could be the right move. But Kubiak is going to have to continue to refine his game, his philosophy, his planning. 

The league is changing dramatically on the offensive side of the ball. And if you arent keeping pace from a schematic standpoint, you're going to be in trouble. 

It'll be an interesting offseason, for sure. 

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

25 minutes ago, HMFIC said:

I agree about the O Line and tipped balls etc, but that doesn't  excuse Sark's lack of understanding of NFL offense.  There is a definite lack of discipline in the way he runs the offense, because he is not confident in it. It is not HIS offense, it is Shanny's.  Don't you know that Julio and others are more familiar with Shanny's offense, and surely they have corrected or at least advised Sark that ,"This is the way Shanny did it".   Sark was just a bad hire, and he has cost us a couple of years, along with the O Line, and D Line, while he learns NFL offenses. he can't say, "This is the way we need to do this guys", because he doesn't KNOW.  Most OCs have many years in the NFL before they become OCs, he had NONE. 

Pretty much none of this is right. 

[JD dirtybird21]

31 minutes ago, HMFIC said:

I agree about the O Line and tipped balls etc, but that doesn't  excuse Sark's lack of understanding of NFL offense.  There is a definite lack of discipline in the way he runs the offense, because he is not confident in it. It is not HIS offense, it is Shanny's.  Don't you know that Julio and others are more familiar with Shanny's offense, and surely they have corrected or at least advised Sark that ,"This is the way Shanny did it".   Sark was just a bad hire, and he has cost us a couple of years, along with the O Line, and D Line, while he learns NFL offenses. he can't say, "This is the way we need to do this guys", because he doesn't KNOW.  Most OCs have many years in the NFL before they become OCs, he had NONE. 

Ok,  lets suppose you're right. Let's say that Sark is running Shanahan's offense. If that's the case, that just makes it even more not his fault. He isn't Shanahan. You should play to a persons strengths...not ask them to be something they're not. That being said, I don't believe for a minute that Sark is "running Shanahan's offense" like you're suggesting

[Tribal Chief]

42 minutes ago, HMFIC said:

I agree about the O Line and tipped balls etc, but that doesn't  excuse Sark's lack of understanding of NFL offense.  There is a definite lack of discipline in the way he runs the offense, because he is not confident in it. It is not HIS offense, it is Shanny's.  Don't you know that Julio and others are more familiar with Shanny's offense, and surely they have corrected or at least advised Sark that ,"This is the way Shanny did it".   Sark was just a bad hire, and he has cost us a couple of years, along with the O Line, and D Line, while he learns NFL offenses. he can't say, "This is the way we need to do this guys", because he doesn't KNOW.  Most OCs have many years in the NFL before they become OCs, he had NONE. 

This is my thing though. For the most part, Sark has called a good game in almost every game this season. Granted, as I said earlier he makes questionable calls in key areas and I knock the **** out of him for that. But outside of the last 5 weeks where the offense seems to just be completely out of the loop, no one complained about sark. Even in every early season loss up until Cleveland, sarks offense had them in position to win but the defense sputters. 

Its always easy for us and commentators to say what Matt Ryan has done with 2 minutes left but when the momentum shifts the other way, you have to be able to counter it. This team has no identity on offense or defense for that matter   But that starts with Quinn and TD. Sark can only work with what he has and if what he has doesn’t do their part, what more can he do. 

One of the biggest knocks I have is the failure to adjust. He’s not the chess player we wish he was. It’s almost like the approach from him and Quinn is the players are good enough, there’s no need to make adjustments. Not saying that’s what it is but it’s what it seems like and if it were true, could you blame them. You have a top wr, former mvp at qb and solid playmakers surrounding them, it’s like the staff sits back and says, as Campbell said about the Browns, they’ll figure it out. 

Imo, not a single coach on staff deserves to be in their current position. Not even Quinn. But everyone sitting back purely pointing at Quinn daily, it’s unfair. Give everyone their rightful share including the $100 million man. 

[Tribal Chief]

28 minutes ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

Ok,  lets suppose you're right. Let's say that Sark is running Shanahan's offense. If that's the case, that just makes it even more not his fault. He isn't Shanahan. You should play to a persons strengths...not ask them to be something they're not. That being said, I don't believe for a minute that Sark is "running Shanahan's offense" like you're suggesting

If it was truly Shanahans offense there would be more screens lol

[THEHEADCOACH]

3 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

It isn't completely on him. That's what I think it's going to boil down to. He has zero control of the offensive line not giving Matt time. He has zero control over Matt missing at least 8 deep throws that could/should have been touchdowns. He has zero control over Ridley tipping balls into the opponents hands and running bad routes and he has zero control over all of the WR's dropping key passes. You can say he called bad plays in certain situations and i'll give you that but you can't put poor execution on him at all

You think he just shows up on Sunday to call plays? Poor coaching leads to poor execution. You play how you practice.

[Tribal Chief]

1 minute ago, THEHEADCOACH said:

You think he just shows up on Sunday to call plays? Poor coaching leads to poor execution. You play how you practice.

Like Julio said, they haven’t been playing how they practice

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

12 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

This is my thing though. For the most part, Sark has called a good game in almost every game this season. Granted, as I said earlier he makes questionable calls in key areas and I knock the **** out of him for that. But outside of the last 5 weeks where the offense seems to just be completely out of the loop, no one complained about sark. Even in every early season loss up until Cleveland, sarks offense had them in position to win but the defense sputters. 

Its always easy for us and commentators to say what Matt Ryan has done with 2 minutes left but when the momentum shifts the other way, you have to be able to counter it. This team has no identity on offense or defense for that matter   But that starts with Quinn and TD. Sark can only work with what he has and if what he has doesn’t do their part, what more can he do. 

One of the biggest knocks I have is the failure to adjust. He’s not the chess player we wish he was. It’s almost like the approach from him and Quinn is the players are good enough, there’s no need to make adjustments. Not saying that’s what it is but it’s what it seems like and if it were true, could you blame them. You have a top wr, former mvp at qb and solid playmakers surrounding them, it’s like the staff sits back and says, as Campbell said about the Browns, they’ll figure it out. 

Imo, not a single coach on staff deserves to be in their current position. Not even Quinn. But everyone sitting back purely pointing at Quinn daily, it’s unfair. Give everyone their rightful share including the $100 million man. 

I'm not as scorched earth as you are but I'm with you most of the way. 

And if we're being honest with ourselves, a LOT of the offensive failures we've seen this year have been on the WRs, not Sark. A lot of high leverage drops, a lot of stupid mistakes. On defense, its leaving dozens of plays on the field from dropped picks to 3/4 sacks. 

Your adjustment point is a strong one and its something that Mike Lombardi talks a lot about. Your average coaches are going to figure out what they think you're going to do and they're going to run beater concepts to defeat your standard approach. In our case, our defense is super simple and driven wholly on execution which requires a level of talent we dont quite have. What we rarely seem to do is go that extra level and start anticipating what teams are going to do to us and adjust off of that. 

But the problem is we arent INCAPABLE of doing that. Throughout the late 2016 run, we did that very very well. We did it really well against the Rams/Eagles last year. 

I just dont know why we do it sometimes and not others. 

[THEHEADCOACH]

10 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

Like Julio said, they haven’t been playing how they practice

Well, I'm sure things don't work out as good in a game ,as it does in practice, when your opponent is actually trying to stop you. This team and this offense especially is making alot of mistakes that are screaming coaching. Like I said all along, I think sarks problem is he don't know how to teach the little things. This ain't college, where your 11 is just better than the other teams 11 and the little things in execution really matter tremendously.

[Tribal Chief]

6 minutes ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

I'm not as scorched earth as you are but I'm with you most of the way. 

And if we're being honest with ourselves, a LOT of the offensive failures we've seen this year have been on the WRs, not Sark. A lot of high leverage drops, a lot of stupid mistakes. On defense, its leaving dozens of plays on the field from dropped picks to 3/4 sacks. 

Your adjustment point is a strong one and its something that Mike Lombardi talks a lot about. Your average coaches are going to figure out what they think you're going to do and they're going to run beater concepts to defeat your standard approach. In our case, our defense is super simple and driven wholly on execution which requires a level of talent we dont quite have. What we rarely seem to do is go that extra level and start anticipating what teams are going to do to us and adjust off of that. 

But the problem is we arent INCAPABLE of doing that. Throughout the late 2016 run, we did that very very well. We did it really well against the Rams/Eagles last year. 

I just dont know why we do it sometimes and not others. 

Between the drops and poor offensive line play, I don’t know which has Matt more discouraged. Sadly the injuries to the offensive line itself hurt more than any injury on defense. Then when Matt has a clean pocket to step into, either the receivers don’t finish the play or he makes an off target throw. It’s so freakin frustrating to watch. Don’t even get me started on the defense. 

The inability to adjust is huge though. You’re never going to make it in the NFL if you can’t do that. Not saying it’s easy but you have to be prepared. Sark isn’t there yet

[Xfactor]

I don’t think Sark calls a bad game it’s some of his calls that are head scratchers especially in the red zone. Running Coleman up the gut on 4th and 1.

Abandoning the run game

Forcing the ball to Julio earlier in the year at an absurd level.

I think one thing Sark is guilty of is not creating a offense that plays to his players strengths.

Example Amari Cooper left for dead in Oakland now flourishing in Dallas and Prescott is no better than Carr it’s how they are utilizing him is the difference.

I think this is where Kubiak would make a huge difference.

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

Just now, ya_boi_j said:

Between the drops and poor offensive line play, I don’t know which has Matt more discouraged. Sadly the injuries to the offensive line itself hurt more than any injury on defense. Then when Matt has a clean pocket to step into, either the receivers don’t finish the play or he makes an off target throw. It’s so freakin frustrating to watch. Don’t even get me started on the defense. 

The inability to adjust is huge though. You’re never going to make it in the NFL if you can’t do that. Not saying it’s easy but you have to be prepared. Sark isn’t there yet

Has Matt ever looked half as frustrated as he has over the last month? Dude looks like he's going out of his mind. 

I'd also like to see a measure of the penalty damage this team has done to itself over the year. It seems like its every other drive we're giving up big plays to penalties on both sides of the ball. 

[Tribal Chief]

3 minutes ago, THEHEADCOACH said:

Well, I'm sure things don't work out as good in a game ,as it does in practice, when your opponent is actually trying to stop you. This team and this offense especially is making alot of mistakes that are screaming coaching. Like I said all along, I think sarks problem is he don't know how to teach the little things. This ain't college, where your 11 is just better than the other teams 11 and the little things in execution really matter tremendously.

If you’re only going to place blame on Sark that’s you. There’s a bigger picture. If you can’t see that the players deserve a big amount of the blame then you’re avoiding the big picture

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

2 minutes ago, Xfactor said:

I don’t think Sark calls a bad game it’s some of his calls that are head scratchers especially in the red zone. Running Coleman up the gut on 4th and 1.

Abandoning the run game

Forcing the ball to Julio earlier in the year at an absurd level.

I think one thing Sark is guilty of is not creating a offense that plays to his players strengths.

Example Amari Cooper left for dead in Oakland now flourishing in Dallas and Prescott is no better than Carr it’s how they are utilizing him is the difference.

I think this is where Kubiak would make a huge difference.

Meh, Dak is a good deal better than Carr, imo. But I think a lot of that profit has been Amari raising his level of play. His usage in Oakland was fine. He was just bad. 

And in Sark's defense, its tough not to abandon the run game when the run game is absolutely awful. I mean, I think its largely his fault the run game is so bad but that doesnt change the fact that it simply isnt effective at moving the ball for this offense. 

[Tribal Chief]

1 minute ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

Has Matt ever looked half as frustrated as he has over the last month? Dude looks like he's going out of his mind. 

I'd also like to see a measure of the penalty damage this team has done to itself over the year. It seems like its every other drive we're giving up big plays to penalties on both sides of the ball. 

When he was mic’d up, that told me all I needed to know about his frustration lol

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

6 minutes ago, HMFIC said:

It is spot on, and your football knowledge is sadly lacking.

this is funny. You still dont understand the basics of the offense and somehow you're saying my football knowledge is lacking. 

okay Captain Conjecture. 

[Tribal Chief]

Just now, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

Meh, Dak is a good deal better than Carr, imo. But I think a lot of that profit has been Amari raising his level of play. His usage in Oakland was fine. He was just bad. 

And in Sark's defense, its tough not to abandon the run game when the run game is absolutely awful. I mean, I think its largely his fault the run game is so bad but that doesnt change the fact that it simply isnt effective at moving the ball for this offense. 

I don’t like Dak period but I’ll give him props on what he has been able to do with Cooper. It seems like since he’s came, every single wr on that team benefited

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

1 minute ago, ya_boi_j said:

I don’t like Dak period but I’ll give him props on what he has been able to do with Cooper. It seems like since he’s came, every single wr on that team benefited

I'm a pretty big Dak fan based on what I've seen. 

I do think Cooper brought something to the offense that added leverage to a group that didnt really have a fulcrum in the passing game. At least now defenses have to pay attention to the pass game a bit which opens the field up. And it seems to have given everyone a bit more confidence to be aggressive. 

Of course, thats going to end up saving a job that shouldnt be saved (Garrett) and the Cowboys will keep Cowboying. 

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

Just now, HMFIC said:

I calls em the way I sees em, and I understand this offense just fine. I see the flaws in Sark's handling of it, and you want to defend a man who was hired with no NFL experience to run one of the hottest offenses in the NFL before he got here.

You're still here vom'ing up tripe about "Shanahan's offense" like it's an IKEA instruction manual. 

I dont really care about experience level....I care about skill and proficiency. And while Sarkisian certainly has issues, he's still overseen a very productive offense for two years. So while you're making stuff up about experience, he's literally adding experience as a productive OC. 

So yeah, when you suggest you know more about NFL offenses than Steve Sarkisian and then you say "I calls em the way I sees em" you need to get your eyes checked....and maybe read a book or forty. 

[Tribal Chief]

6 minutes ago, DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry said:

I'm a pretty big Dak fan based on what I've seen. 

I do think Cooper brought something to the offense that added leverage to a group that didnt really have a fulcrum in the passing game. At least now defenses have to pay attention to the pass game a bit which opens the field up. And it seems to have given everyone a bit more confidence to be aggressive. 

Of course, thats going to end up saving a job that shouldnt be saved (Garrett) and the Cowboys will keep Cowboying. 

Yeah I gotta give credit where it’s due. I just have this thing against pure scramblers. Before cooper arrived that seemed to be the only way he saw success. When they weren’t running option plays, they couldn’t move without Zeke. Dak is a careful one with the ball though and that’s a big thing people like about him 

[Tribal Chief]

13 minutes ago, HMFIC said:

That's my point entirely, Sark has no OC experience in the NFL, NONE.

And Manuel has no DC experience. Everyone has to start somewhere though

[Atl Falcon]

4 hours ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

Where exactly did people get this idea that Quinn is “too loyal?” Didn’t he pull play calling duties from Richard Smith and let him go at the end of the 2016 season?

He did and Smith wasn’t very good... but Armstrong has been terrible since he got there and Sark been terrible for two yrs. Shanny left on his own. So he’s definitely been loyal to Armstrong and didn’t make a change with Sark this yr.... and imo he’s been way too loyal to VB and other players as well. Has he pulled MM and Sarks play calling duties?? The whole brotherhood thing seems too much about loyalty....it’s a business not politics. I guess time will tell

[THEHEADCOACH]

34 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

If you’re only going to place blame on Sark that’s you. There’s a bigger picture. If you can’t see that the players deserve a big amount of the blame then you’re avoiding the big picture

Players make mistakes, but good coaching will minimize them. How many more seasons are you willing to waste while Sark figures this out and learns? You're wanting the talent to go out there and continue to perform in spite of the coach. Which they have done at times, when they are just that much better than who they are facing.  I want the coach to have the talent prepared to execute and perform no matter who they face. I want the coach to put them in a position to succeed. It was obvious Sark's first year, that wasn't happening, yet people like you continued to blame the players. Then Sark and Quinn both admitted Sark was in over his head, although not in those exact words, he struggled with the things that everyone tried to say he was struggling with.  Even in his best games, you can still see it, but a loaded offense kept performing. He's lost some valuable pieces, I'm willing to give him a pass on that, but I need to see a confident prepared offense take that field. He may eventually get it figured out, I just wonder how long it will take. In the meantime I guess y'all can continue to excuse it away , till he finally gets it, then finally get to say he ,he did it , like you were right all along. Which is as stupid as people trying to compare his first and second year to Kyle's. Kyle had to rebuild an offense and teach it. Sark came into a loaded offense and broke it down.  Stupid comparison. I just want to see some direction in this offense from sark, something that hasn't happened since he's been here, and I want them prepared.

Edited December 13, 2018 by THEHEADCOACH

[Atl Falcon]

5 hours ago, 1989Fan said:

He is too loyal? He has been here 3 seasons and on his 2nd set of coordinators on both sides of the ball. And brought in Knapp as an outsider because he didn’t have faith in Sark...let’s let him actually keep SS and MM before we make more unfactual accusations;)

Duke played zero snaps last week also. 

Shanny left on his own....Sark proved last yr he couldn’t do it.....I’d say he was pretty loyal Duke to wait 29 gms into his career before benching him. And let’s not forget about Bs being awful and making a spot for him last yr as a OLB. Maybe I’m blind but it appears to me there’s something wrong here. Maybe he needs to hire competent coaches. Yea and the Knapp hire proves my point....as you said he didn’t have confidence in Sark so he hired Knapp....that tells me he’s too loyal. MM was on staff and a DQ protoge .....is all that not being loyal or is it plain stupid? I want a coach that holds players and coaches accountable to perform their job with no excuses or multiple chances. 

Edited December 13, 2018 by Atl Falcon