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There is still much hope looking forward, here is the fix (revisited)

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7 hours ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said:

Currently nine draft picks in the upcoming draft doesn’t hurt either!

Obligatory "TD could use all 9 on the OL and **** up all 9 of them"

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3 hours ago, Pacific_Falcon said:

Sort of. I think 5 more good years of Ryan might be a little optimistic - not saying it can't happen, but I think after a few more years we will start seeing a decline.

I also think you are underestimating our needs. Alford is done, and Trufant is sketchy as well. At the least we need a CB and OT, and IMO would be a good idea to get a young C - Mack I think is going to continue his downward trend, but I think he'd be an AWESOME mentor. I'd love to grab a good C in the draft ~rd 3, but most people won't agree with that at all.

Also, DQ has a LONG way to go with game management. He is BAD. I'm not sure he's the guy that leads us to the promised land, but I hope I'm wrong.

You make many good points about areas of concern, but I see a lot of it getting cleaned up with a few changes.

For instance, I believe a stud DT to play next to Grady will make our DEs, LBs and secondary better. We have talent in secondary but I believe it looks a lot worse than it is becuase the DL has a massive hole that could be turned into a strength with a single pick.

everything is incremental, so each move impacts other areas and I think we have a lot of great playmakers on defense, we just need to address the weakest points and get our star players healthy. 

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2 hours ago, gazoo said:

You make many good points about areas of concern, but I see a lot of it getting cleaned up with a few changes.

For instance, I believe a stud DT to play next to Grady will make our DEs, LBs and secondary better. We have talent in secondary but I believe it looks a lot worse than it is becuase the DL has a massive hole that could be turned into a strength with a single pick.

everything is incremental, so each move impacts other areas and I think we have a lot of great playmakers on defense, we just need to address the weakest points and get our star players healthy. 

I hear ya, although I'm a bit iffy on another penetrating-type DT. It would be nice to be able to stop the run in short yardage once or twice a year :(

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48 minutes ago, Pacific_Falcon said:

I hear ya, although I'm a bit iffy on another penetrating-type DT. It would be nice to be able to stop the run in short yardage once or twice a year :(

I won’t be surprised if we cut Beasley, Brooks Reed, Shelby and McClain, keep Irvin, in FA use the money we would have paid Beasley to help augment the cost of an upper tier starting DE, sign a FA mid range older DT that still has a couple years left, and then draft 3 DL. ( a pass rush specialist DE, a stud DT and a run stuffing DT)

The draft is loaded at DT this year. The stars have aligned for us.

In the draft, I assume our top pick will be an immediate starting stud DT. Sure, it may take a few games for him to acclimate.  I also believe we will draft a pass rush specialist with our 3rd pick, or one of our 4th rounders.  With all the picks we can move around a little too.

We could see a totally different DL next year with two awesome starting DTs, Tak and a strong veteran FA at DE as our starting 4, with Senat, another vet DT and some new draft picks rotating in. Maybe we keep one of the vets Reed if he takes another pay cut or Shelby.

On defense, and I’ve been watching this game close to 6 decades, it starts at the DT position. If you have two dominant DTs, it opens so much more up for a defensive coordinator to game plan against great offenses. It’s huge, it’s everything. In other words, Having two dominant DTs is basically three times better than having one domint DT. 

Notice our offense often sputtered  when we faced defenses with stud DTs?

its not just becuase the DTs were good, it’s because they allowed the defensive coordinator way more ways to attack our offense. 

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7 minutes ago, gazoo said:

I won’t be surprised if we cut Beasley, Brooks Reed, Shelby and McClain, keep Irvin, in FA sign an upper tier starting DE and mid range DT, and then draft 3 DL. 

In the draft, I assume our top pick will be an immediate starting DT. I also believe we will draft a pass rush specialist with our 3rd pick, or one of our 4th rounders. I could see us also draft a big DT to rotate in with Senat on running down snaps.

We could see a totally different DL next year with two awesome starting DTs, Tak and a strong veteran FA at DEs, with Senat, another vet DT and some new draft picks rotating in. Maybe we keep one of the vets Reed or Shelby.

On defense, and I’ve been watching this game close to 6 decades, it starts at the DT position. If you have two dominant DTs, it opens so much more up for a defensive coordinator to game plan against great offenses. It’s huge, it’s everything. Notice our offense often sputtered  when we faced defenses with stud DTs?

its not just becuase the DTs were good, it’s because they allowed the defensive coordinator way more ways to attack our offense. 

Great post.

Ray Lewis and Ed Reed got all the glory, but those great ravens defenses were built with the DL doing all the dirty work. 

Ravens offenses had stud OL as well. 

See Patriots, 49ers, and cowboy dynasties as well. You win championship when you invest in both sides of your lines. 

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40 minutes ago, Vandy said:

Great post.

Ray Lewis and Ed Reed got all the glory, but those great ravens defenses were built with the DL doing all the dirty work. 

Ravens offenses had stud OL as well. 

See Patriots, 49ers, and cowboy dynasties as well. You win championship when you invest in both sides of your lines. 

I can see us drafting OG with our 2nd rounder, which would probably be close to same area of draft we got our first round pick in 2017 Tak McKinley.

i believe we can also trade compensatory picks, which would give us a little  room to manuever if there isn’t value at OG at top of 2nd or 3rd  rounds but value in the middle of one of them.  

We could move up in 2nd or 3rd if need be, although I’m not clear on wha5 OG we would target yet.  We could grab a pass rusher with our 2nd and trade our 3rd rounder and the 4th round compensatory to get an OG in the middle of 2nd round too.

We could end up with a beast top DT, a stud pass rusher and an OG with our first 3 picks, possibly all in the first two rounds.  We have a ton of picks so trading a mid round one doesn’t bother me if we are strategic about it.

We clearly have to sign a FA OG as well, see if Levitre will take paycut and stay.

 

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36 minutes ago, Vandy said:

Great post.

Ray Lewis and Ed Reed got all the glory, but those great ravens defenses were built with the DL doing all the dirty work. 

Ravens offenses had stud OL as well. 

See Patriots, 49ers, and cowboy dynasties as well. You win championship when you invest in both sides of your lines. 

I heard R Lewis complain he was getting eaten up by guards (even m turner famously blew him up). Then he was so happy when he got NGata. 

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4 minutes ago, VTCrunkler said:

I heard R Lewis complain he was getting eaten up by guards (even m turner famously blew him up). Then he was so happy when he got NGata. 

Yep. He had massive NTs and 2 huge DEs in front of him much of his career.  Didn’t he have behemoth Tony Saragusa early on too? 

Two Dominant DTs....that’s what I want for Christmas. We have one already. 

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Some people automatically assume high draft picks will come in and have an immediate impact. That is not alway true.

Getting rid of Sark seems to be the hot flavor of the month.  I understand but we have more problems than Sark. It is not his fault the F O didn't build the O lines properly, Schader having a bad year, the F O never signing a big, bruising back. Coach Morris never coached offense. I just don't want Sark to be the scapegoat for ALL the problems this team has. We have to look at the F O first.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, gazoo said:

I can see us drafting OG with our 2nd rounder, which would probably be close to same area of draft we got our first round pick in 2017 Tak McKinley.

i believe we can also trade compensatory picks, which would give us a little  room to manuever if there isn’t value at OG at top of 2nd round.  We could move up if need be, although I’m not clear on wha5 OG we would target yet.  We could grab a pass rusher with our second and trade our 3rd rounder and the 4th round compensatory to get an OG in the middle of 2nd round too.

we could end up with a beast top DT, a stud pass rusher and an OG with 3 picks in the first two rounds.  We have a ton of picks so trading a mid round one doesn’t bother me if we are strategic about it.

We clearly have to sign a FA OG as well, see if Levitre will take paycut and stay.

 

I like your idea of trading up for an OG in middle Rd 2. Chris Lindstom from Boston College would fit the bill for that pick.

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7 minutes ago, gazoo said:

Yep. He had massive NTs and 2 huge DEs in front of him much of his career.  Didn’t he have behemoth Tony Saragusa early on too? 

Two Dominant DTs....that’s what I want for Christmas. We have one already. 

Yes. Goose. Suggs- he looks like the killer croc from Batman. Huge too.  Goose was A mammoth. We have a chance to nab one maybe two in this draft. All from clemson or Bama. Or well, from anywhere. 

Whe. Lewis didn't have those mammoths he got swallowed up. 

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31 minutes ago, Gold4425 said:

Some people automatically assume high draft picks will come in and have an immediate impact. That is not alway true.

Getting rid of Sark seems to be the hot flavor of the month.  I understand but we have more problems than Sark. It is not his fault the F O didn't build the O lines properly, Schader having a bad year, the F O never signing a big, bruising back. Coach Morris never coached offense. I just don't want Sark to be the scapegoat for ALL the problems this team has. We have to look at the F O first.

 

 

You have two sides of the ball, offense and defense.

I stated the biggest piece of the rebound will be who we bring in as OC. I am sure Blank, TD and DQ all know we have to bring in a veteran OC who knows how to utilize all the talent we have on offense. I would not be surprised if Kubiak is named our OC. I would be shocked if we brought in an untested one like Sark. In fact, I guaranty we won’t do that twice in a row.

I know we will sign a FA OG, maybe bring back Levitre AND pick up one of the top OGs in the draft, possibly by moving up from our 2nd or 3rd round picks. We have been spectacular drafting RBs in the middle rounds. I expect we will draft a bigger back to team with Freeman and Ito.

Based on the above, I anticipate our offense to get right back to dominant next year, real quick like. Might take a couple of games to iron out kinks, but a veteran OC will have this ultra talented unit running on all cylinders quickly.

Tha leaves defense. We have a BOATLOAD of talented players and bigtime playmakers already on the defense. We had injuries to not just many of our vocal team leaders, some of our best players, but to our veteran playcallers. It was a massive gut punch to lose Deion Jones and enforcer Neal, then Allen. We had a rookie LB from Yale and Duke Riley. Add this to losing Poe and Clayborn and it was a nightmare.

This year, we can replace Poe immediately with our top pick. Poe wasn’t even a dominant player, but he plugged up the middle well in running game. We can draft a top pass rushing specialist as well as sign a top DE in FA.

While decayed players can take a little while to learn the game, top tiered  dominant DTs can usually hold their own as they develop. While our top draft pick is gett8mg his feet wet, our offense should be able to pull the teams weight as the season progresses.

Once we get to the playoffs, everyone should be good to go.

Some of you guys can’t seem to see how this all flushes out in a multidimensional way. All you see is piecemeal issues like “but a rookie DT might not play at a pro bowl level right away”.  Well, I’m way ahead of you. To me, it matter how he is playing toward end of season more than in game 1. 

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29 minutes ago, Vandy said:

I like your idea of trading up for an OG in middle Rd 2. Chris Lindstom from Boston College would fit the bill for that pick.

I think it’s quite possible we will have one of the top 5 picks in the entire 2018 draft, a top 5 pick in the 2nd round and another middle round 2nd.  I believe we will snag one of best DTs in the nation, a stud pass rusher and a talented OG who will start immediately or by mid season with these picks. 

 

I haven’t done a lot of research yet one where an OG tha fits our scheme may be sitting at our second round pick, but a cursory look appeared top of 2nd may not be best place so I allowed for moving around, somewhere in round 2, to snag the best one for our scheme. 

Having all these picks this yea is really awesome. 

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It may not take much to turn this around, but, g’dang it must start with marshmallow Quinn! If this boyo wants to stay here past the 2019 season he better wtfu and do some g’**** Coaching and leave the brothership sheeetz behind! He is a freaking coach not a best bud!!! 

I’d rather him fail being a coach of the old school than a best friend woosie music inspired slogan mind manipulator flucker fest on the downlow with the hoodies!! 

This is a warrior inspired business not a poofter league from...whoever 

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You get Grady and this Cat playing next to each other on passing downs and QBs like Brady and Brees get rattled by interior collapsing and not being able to buy an extra second stepping up. Grady gave Brady fits during Super Bowl blowing picket up until Grady tired out.

Having two pocket collapsing DTs is the very best way to beat the best pocket passing  QBs in the NFL.

 

Jeffery Simmons, DT, MIssissippi State
“He is a strong kid. He is really hard to move and he plays with great leverage and power. He is really a good technician, great with his hands. He can play on all three downs. He is so powerful he can disrupt the inside of the pocket, which right now, is even more important than bringing heat off the edge because you aren’t giving guys room to step up, especially undersized guys like Drew Brees. If you pressure Brees from the edge, he can just slide up into the pocket and beat you, whereas this kid can wreak havoc on the offensive line. 

 

 

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Another wild card is if Derrick Brown DT Auburn is our guy to line up next to Grady.  That would allow us to use our high 1st rounder on another player and snag Brown possibly at top of 2nd round..

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On 12/12/2018 at 6:47 PM, gazoo said:

I believe the team lost confidence after all the slew injuries to Dieon Jones, Neal and Allen who were vocal leaders and signal calers, followed by teams starting to dominate our lines, taking advantage of the weak spots. I also think we need a legitimate NFL OC. I was always worried Sark come MG out of college was a big risk. He is way too inconsistent and I don’t think the offense has confolidenxe in him any longer. The meltdown isn’t all his fault but he’s not part of the solution movin forward.

I saw a perfect storm of things take us down but I also believe minor adjustments with two new dominating lineman while getting rid of the weak links will turn this thing right back around to where we are better than 2016.  

We do need a OC who knows how to utilize this talent though

Let’s make Bienimen (KC’s OC) an offer he can’t refuse.  They run the Air Raid WCO, which would work nicely here in Atlanta

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Just now, Falconsin2012 said:

Let’s make Bienimen (KC’s OC) an offer he can’t refuse.  They run the Air Raid WCO, which would work nicely here in Atlanta

Blank does what it takes to get those we target here. Wouldn’t it be thrilling to have another great OC like Shanny who can run an offense loaded with weapons and game plan with the best 9f them?

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4 minutes ago, gazoo said:

Blank does what it takes to get those we target here. Wouldn’t it be thrilling to have another great OC like Shanny who can run an offense loaded with weapons and game plan with the best 9f them?

Bienimen likely ends up the Packers HC, but I can dream about us getting him to run the offense.

While we are at it, let’s transition Morris to Asst HC, demote MM to DB coach and Asst Defensive Coordinator...then have Quinn run the defense.  Let MM learn under him for another year or two

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16 minutes ago, Falconsin2012 said:

Bienimen likely ends up the Packers HC, but I can dream about us getting him to run the offense.

While we are at it, let’s transition Morris to Asst HC, demote MM to DB coach and Asst Defensive Coordinator...then have Quinn run the defense.  Let MM learn under him for another year or two

DQ did much better when he could turn over offensive duties to Shanny. Once Sark got here, and due to Shannys call in Super Bowl that blew it for us, DQ took on more responsibility and it diluted the defensive focus. 

Lets get a veteran OC tha doesn’t require hand holding and get DQ back focused on defense

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On 12/12/2018 at 6:25 PM, gazoo said:

Sure, it looks really ugly, but the sky is not even remotely falling. This team is stacked with talent and we have been improving depth bigtime over the last several drafts. We absolutely have a few huge holes, (Offensive Coordinator, OG, and DT)  but we are in an excellent position to fill them with solid to top tiered replacements. We have one of the best QBs in the NFL who should still play at an elite level for minimum 5 more years if we protect him.

We really are not far off. We need new coordinators, any good NFL OC would jump at the opportunity to work with our group. A veteran ( not college) OC could turn offense around mmediately .....we are stacked. This is stil, DQs defense, I don’t see the DC job that difficult to correct. Same with any underperforming position coaches. 

We need a dominant, bad t9 the bone DT and the stars have aligned perfectly for us to get one with our top pick in 2019 draft. There are 4 top tier DTs in this draft, we should have our choice of 2 or 3 of them by our pick. This one pick could transform our DL. You put Grady and another dominant disruptive DT next him and  Tak gets 15 sacks next year.

We need a couple of OGs. We need to draft 2 this year with high picks and sign a veteran. Not sure what happened to Schraeder but he’s played well for 5 years, maybe he’s go personal issues distracting him  or an injury we don’t know about but he should be fine next year unless there is something we don’t know. You don’t play well for 5 years then forget how to play. 

We will get to pick at top of each round, and we get 4th and 5th round compensatory picks for Poe and Gabriel. We are in an excellent position to make an immediate rebound.

Our biggest issue is teams beating up our lines and the entire team collapsing. This is correctable, we have some awesome pieces already but need to get rid of the bad ones and stock up in draft. With one more dominant OL and DT to replace the weakest ones the team changes. But we have resources to get more than 2.

I see this as a fluke year where much of what could have gone wrong went wrong, exposing some weaknesses that needed to be fixed before moving up to next level. .As a team, I think we come back next year better than we were in 2016 and jump right back in the Super Bowl Hunt.

(Revisiting this after the uproar I experienced from several after posting it in December)

Point #1. I said Falcons were stacked with talent. ESPN just said Falcons have the 3rd most talented roster in NFL

Point #2. We got rid of the college OC and made what many pundits are calling an excellent choice in bringing back Keotter. Not only did we get rid of the college OC, we filled the position with a former NFL head coach who helped Matt Ryan rise from good to greatness. We also brought in Mularkey to fix our running game, also a former head coach.

Point 3. We just cut Ben Garland and Arthur Blank promised we are going to make fixing the OL the highest priority. With Mularkey, Keotter and a couple of new starting OL, we should be in great shape to run the ball and provide Matty Ice a real pocket to step up into. I expect to see his deep ball accuracy get back to 2016 which was last time he had a consistent pocket  to step up into. Impossible for any QB to get his fundamentals perfected when his pocket is constantly collapsing and defenders keep getting through the A gaps.

Point #4. We are set in draft to be able to draft a top DT, many have mocked Oliver for us.

#5. Dan Quinn, not that he has two former NFL head coaches added to our offense, no longer has to babysit the offense and is the Falcons new DC, including playcalling.  This is really, really good.

Still panicking? Point #6. I stand by my position that the Falcons will be right back in the Super Bowl Hunt next year.

 

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3 hours ago, gazoo said:

(Revisiting this after the uproar I experienced from several after posting it in December)

Point #1. I said Falcons were stacked with talent. ESPN just said Falcons have the 3rd most talented roster in NFL

Point #2. We got rid of the college OC and made what many pundits are calling an excellent choice in bringing back Keotter. Not only did we get rid of the college OC, we filled the position with a former NFL head coach who helped Matt Ryan rise from good to greatness. We also brought in Mularkey to fix our running game, also a former head coach.

Point 3. We just cut Ben Garland and Arthur Blank promised we are going to make fixing the OL the highest priority. With Mularkey, Keotter and a couple of new starting OL, we should be in great shape to run the ball and provide Matty Ice a real pocket to step up into. I expect to see his deep ball accuracy get back to 2016 which was last time he had a consistent pocket  to step up into. Impossible for any QB to get his fundamentals perfected when his pocket is constantly collapsing and defenders keep getting through the A gaps.

Point #4. We are set in draft to be able to draft a top DT, many have mocked Oliver for us.

#5. Dan Quinn, not that he has two former NFL head coaches added to our offense, no longer has to babysit the offense and is the Falcons new DC, including playcalling.  This is really, really good.

Still panicking? Point #6. I stand by my position that the Falcons will be right back in the Super Bowl Hunt next year.

 

I agree with everything you said. Sark and Armstrong were the biggest problems and they are gone. If this team stays healthy, they will contend big time. 

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11 hours ago, gazoo said:

(Revisiting this after the uproar I experienced from several after posting it in December)

Point #1. I said Falcons were stacked with talent. ESPN just said Falcons have the 3rd most talented roster in NFL

Point #2. We got rid of the college OC and made what many pundits are calling an excellent choice in bringing back Keotter. Not only did we get rid of the college OC, we filled the position with a former NFL head coach who helped Matt Ryan rise from good to greatness. We also brought in Mularkey to fix our running game, also a former head coach.

Point 3. We just cut Ben Garland and Arthur Blank promised we are going to make fixing the OL the highest priority. With Mularkey, Keotter and a couple of new starting OL, we should be in great shape to run the ball and provide Matty Ice a real pocket to step up into. I expect to see his deep ball accuracy get back to 2016 which was last time he had a consistent pocket  to step up into. Impossible for any QB to get his fundamentals perfected when his pocket is constantly collapsing and defenders keep getting through the A gaps.

Point #4. We are set in draft to be able to draft a top DT, many have mocked Oliver for us.

#5. Dan Quinn, not that he has two former NFL head coaches added to our offense, no longer has to babysit the offense and is the Falcons new DC, including playcalling.  This is really, really good.

Still panicking? Point #6. I stand by my position that the Falcons will be right back in the Super Bowl Hunt next year.

 

Re-signing Sombrero, Means, Carter and three fired coaches triggered a self bump of this thread? You special bro. Heaven help us if something really significant happens like nailing the free agency and draft class. 

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5 hours ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Re-signing Sombrero, Means, Carter and three fired coaches triggered a self bump of this thread? You special bro. Heaven help us if something really significant happens like nailing the free agency and draft class. 

While there was no desire to bump this to antagonize anyone who was in disagreement, and while I didn’t even look to see who had been in disagreement with my OP, your response that misses 98% of what I was saying suggests you may have been one of those. Sorry if this caused you butthurt, they may have some salve you can order online for that. 

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