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The Falcoholic: The Falcons are front-runners

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Man, that article did nothing but pizz me off all over again about this team. It doesn't matter what term McKelvin used....I completely understood everything the article was saying about the Falcons. This isn't something that has just started with this team, this is the way this team has always been since birth!

I think anyone who's a fan of this team has completely earned the right to say Fk this team because this team absolutely deserves it! It's been a complete sht show for decades! It's a shame what the fans have endured!

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1 hour ago, E. T. said:

Man, that article did nothing but pizz me off all over again about this team. It doesn't matter what term McKelvin used....I completely understood everything the article was saying about the Falcons. This isn't something that has just started with this team, this is the way this team has always been since birth!

I think anyone who's a fan of this team has completely earned the right to say Fk this team because this team absolutely deserves it! It's been a complete sht show for decades! It's a shame what the fans have endured!

The  Falcons are not that bad the QB is just old.  

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4 hours ago, Lornoth said:

I'm a bit confused what they mean by 'front-runner.' Are they implying that we only win when we're winning? If so, quite the bold statement. 

It's implying we only win when we don't blow a lead, which is routine. When we are losing, we don't come back ever, so even though being out in front is our only chance to win, with this team you're still not talking about much of a chance. It's not really a bold statement, it's just what this team has become known for.

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11 hours ago, PokerSteve said:

I agree with the writer. The Falcons are a front-running team with no heart, no balls, no pride and no idea of what it takes to win a game against a tough, hard-nosed opponent consistently. As the writer said, this goes back before Quinn, before Smitty.

The Falcons started off their existence as a trash franchise owned by a random business man who didn't know jack squat about sports, let alone professional football. They spent years getting their heads pounded in, with teams running up the score, with referees calling every conceivable nit-pick foul they could dream up on the Falcons. After decades of abuse with only rare seasons above .500, maybe the losing, embarrassment and humiliation just became ingrained.

Quinn's team is the epitomy of the front-runner mentality. The team tries to get a lead and then sit on it and hope the other team won't catch up instead of pouring it on. Quinn's teams don't look to put opponents away, they look for a good spot to go into a shell. And the bigger the lead, the more soft and chokey the Falcons play, so even 28-3 was not insurmountable.

It appears Quinn's job is safe, but he really needs to make a complete 180-degree change in his coaching hires, his game plans, chuck the Charmin defensive scheme and re-make his leadership philosophy this off-season. It's time to stop embracing the suck, stop being gutless chokers and start kicking ***, closing teams out and finishing games when we have the lead. If the players we have now don't have the intestinal fortitude to win the tough games, cut them and bring in some who do.

It'll be interesting to see if Quinn has it in him to re-make himself and his team to get back to the SB and finish the job he started in 2016.

 

Good post PS

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12 hours ago, Falcanuck said:

Someone akin to Gregg Williams. 

I know everyone on these boards hate him, and there is something to be said for professionality, but nobody fuqs with Gregg Williams.

No one in the world would be happier with the decision of the Falcons hiring Gregg Williams as their head coach than this man...

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Getting to smack the **** out of Gregg’s defenses twice per year? Payton might coach for free at that point. :lol:

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6 minutes ago, Iron Saint said:

No one in the world would be happier with the decision of the Falcons hiring Gregg Williams as their head coach than this man...

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Getting to smack the **** out of Gregg’s defenses twice per year? Payton might coach for free at that point. :lol:

Really? Payton should thank Gregg for the SB more than anyone else tbh

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That sounds what the leagues heading to though isn't it.

Physicalitys been run out of the league.You can barely touch a QB these days.Get a tackle wrong the flags come flying.Touch a WRer past 5 yards flag.

People have to adjust there thinking towards this,for the most part physical play is being legislated out of the league.

The rule makers want an up down the field product.Big throws big yards showtime TDs to sell the product to the masses.

Its all about money y'all forget being soft and all the rest of it.To me the grounds moving and you'd better be able to be adaptable and move with it or you'll get left behind.

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It's defense. Most teams are not likely to win it all if they have a mediocre to soft defense. Yes, the trenches on both sides of the ball for the Falcons needs to be much better, but overall we need a defense that makes it happen by stopping the run, by getting after the QB, by getting turnovers, and by getting off the field on 3rd down, and putting the ball back in the hands of the offense in good field position. 

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3 hours ago, Falcanuck said:

Really? Payton should thank Gregg for the SB more than anyone else tbh

Payton should thank Gregg for a defense that was 20th in points and 25th in yards?

Nah, Gregg needs to thank Payton for taking a pay cut for the team to even hire him and then again for the privilege of coaching opposite the offense that was 1st in points and 1st in yards that year.

After the slimeball tactics Williams pulled to try and save his own ***, Payton would salivate at the chance to wreck his defense twice per year and embarrass him every chance he can after he was robbed a year of his coaching career.

As our biggest rival, y’all know better than anyone of how vindictive Payton is. Publicly he won’t say it’s a big deal to him, but he’ll likely carry that grudge until his dying breath.

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8 hours ago, mqg96 said:

The Eagles formula of football won them the Super Bowl, and we went 0-3 against them 2 years in a row. In fact, if you look at the previous 2 Super Bowl champions. The Falcons went a combined 0-5 against them for 3 consecutive seasons. It was a combination of better head coaches and better line of scrimmages that bullied the Falcons. 

in 2016, the Eagles beat us 24-15

In the Super Bowl, the patriots were never ahead until the game was over.
In 2017, the Eagles beat us 15-10
In 2017, the Patriots beat us 23 - 7 <--This is the only one that would be considered bullied
In 2018, the Eagles beat us 18-12

And all except that 2017 Patriots game, they didn't beat us, we gave it to them.

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20 hours ago, FalconinPA said:

We need a head coach than can coach the softness out this team. We were soft but good under Smith as well as Quinn before this year. Now we are soft and terrible.

"The Falcons are soft, the Falcons aren't tough. Bullsh*t!"

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6 hours ago, Iron Saint said:

Payton should thank Gregg for a defense that was 20th in points and 25th in yards?

Nah, Gregg needs to thank Payton for taking a pay cut for the team to even hire him and then again for the privilege of coaching opposite the offense that was 1st in points and 1st in yards that year.

After the slimeball tactics Williams pulled to try and save his own ***, Payton would salivate at the chance to wreck his defense twice per year and embarrass him every chance he can after he was robbed a year of his coaching career.

As our biggest rival, y’all know better than anyone of how vindictive Payton is. Publicly he won’t say it’s a big deal to him, but he’ll likely carry that grudge until his dying breath.

Yeah, Payton is vindictive. He’d push his family in front of traffic if he could. 

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8 hours ago, shc said:

in 2016, the Eagles beat us 24-15

In the Super Bowl, the patriots were never ahead until the game was over.
In 2017, the Eagles beat us 15-10
In 2017, the Patriots beat us 23 - 7 <--This is the only one that would be considered bullied
In 2018, the Eagles beat us 18-12

And all except that 2017 Patriots game, they didn't beat us, we gave it to them.

How many points did our offense score in 4 of those 5 losses? How many plays and time of possession did all of these teams have compared to us? All of that starts with the line of scrimmage. We were bullied up front on both sides period (accept for the Super Bowl until the 4th quarter and OT). 

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31 minutes ago, mqg96 said:

How many points did our offense score in 4 of those 5 losses? How many plays and time of possession did all of these teams have compared to us? All of that starts with the line of scrimmage. We were bullied up front on both sides period (accept for the Super Bowl until the 4th quarter and OT). 

So bullied to you is a close loss?

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On 12/12/2018 at 9:57 AM, mqg96 said:

Well, it’s time we finally admit the truth about this franchise.

By Cory Woodroof @CoryWoodroof47  Dec 12, 2018, 8:00am EST

Leodis McKelvin was right. The Atlanta Falcons are, have been, and for the immediate future, will be front-runners.

Go back to 2016 with me, if you will. The Falcons had just lost to the Philadelphia Eagles, one of the team’s few 2016 regular season flops.

The game showed what happened when the historic offense met a fierce defensive front. The team was held to 15 points on offense and lost control of the game’s tempo, which sunk the explosive mentality the team thrived on way back when.

Post-game, McKelvin uttered the awful truth no one wanted to believe at a time where things were about to break even for Atlanta in the biggest way possible.

“I was telling the defense, this is the type of team, they are a front-runner. They are a front-running team,” he told reporters (via ESPN). “If you go out there and make some stops, they eventually are going to be dying down.”

The quote, at the time, was great bulletin board material for a team that surely used that moment to jettison to a better place (well, almost). But its the most telling observation about this franchise ever relayed by an opponent, and the defining problem of this team in the post-Michael Vick era.

The Falcons are front-runners. They do wilt at immediate adversity. Slow them down, knock them out of the fight. It’s how it’s always been, and 2018 is that in grand amplification.

Let’s go back to any big moment in recent team history.

Looking Back

The 2010 season ended in the divisional round with Aaron Rodgers coming out, guns blazing, to stop the Falcons after they got out to an early 14-7 start to see 35 unanswered points derail a promising campaign.

The 2012 season ended with a collapsed lead in the NFC Championship to the 49ers that kept the team from going to its second Super Bowl. The week prior, they did the exact same thing to the Seahawks, but the mighty foot of Matt Bryant saved pain for a week later.

In February 2017, well, we won’t go there.

Look at the 2013 season, when, after a rash of injuries, the entire half decade of goodwill seemingly evaporated and led to the end of an era with the firing of Mike Smith in 2014. Look at the 2015 season, when the team let a few close games gather moss down the rolling hill to lose six straight. Look at the 2011 season, when the team fell flat at the Meadowlands by only scoring two points. Look at January’s Eagles debacle.

Want more examples? Google: “Falcons blow lead regular season.”

Sometimes, in large part thanks to Matt Ryan, they can fight their way back for the comeback. But we haven’t seen that much as of late. And it still doesn’t discount the fact that they had to be in that situation to begin with.

The team’s problems haven’t changed once since 2008. They can’t handle teams with stout trenches, and the teams with strong run games and even stronger defensive lines always win out against the Birds when the things get close. The Falcons never seem to find success in addressing their own trenches, which have both been decent at the best since the turn of the millennium. The team can’t handle compounding injuries, they can’t handle blown leads, they can’t handle what happens when things go wrong.

They have to have everything in place to succeed. It’s never quite broken even in their favor. They’ve gotten close, but not quite.

Why is that?

Why is it this team can’t get into the tough moments and box out a win? Why can’t this team withstand injuries? Why can’t this team hold a lead? Why does this team spend so much time worrying about rising up? What about staying up when the punches come in bunches?

Don’t throw around curses, or “that’s just the way it is,” or more jargon about this or that with the team’s history. This is football, not World of Warcraft. You’re not bound to some ancient hex or manifest destiny. It’s just a game, and anyone can fix anything at any time to win whatever they want to win.

The Falcons are front-runners, and it’s time for Dan Quinn and Thomas Dimitroff to fix that.

Looking Within

Quinn has helped solve some of that problem of the team being accused of being a finesse outfit. He drafted guys like Deion Jones, Keanu Neal, Takkarist McKinley and Grady Jarrett to change the mentality. He wanted guys who were fast and physical; we all know that.

For the most part, he’s gotten that exact result. But this team never seems to escape this belief that it’s, as Fox Sports’ Nick Wright said after the team lost in Philly in January, “a soft, finesse dome team.”

Is it time we all start taking that moniker seriously?

Is this just who the Falcons are, at least right now? Are they really just birds of comfort? These old legacy teams like the Patriots, Packers, Steelers, Bears, Giants, Broncos, Eagles, Dolphins ... the win-in-the-elements, smack-you-down, mean-machine outfits who can win with two teeth, a busted jaw, and a broken leg.

We’ve seen the Falcons play tough in this Quinn era, so that total perception isn’t quite true. But we’ve seen them wilt down the stretch too many times in equal measure, often to these types of teams who keep swinging even when the Falcons seemingly have them pinned.

The Falcons saw their greatest weakness send them home from Houston without a trophy. They faded down the stretch in the franchise’s most important moment in the exact way McKelvin said they would. The Patriots got some stops, got a few scores, and whammo, a 28-3 lead disappears like a thief in the night.

The Patriots didn’t steal the Super Bowl; the Falcons gave it away.

They couldn’t overcome their grandest problem, and it stole the greatest victory a football team can achieve.

Looking ahead

This team has been a front-runner for as long as I can remember, unable to handle the smallest dose of adversity. The team rebounding after 2017’s Super Bowl fracas to get to the divisional round was an incredible feat, but they had time to plan. Quinn has been wondrous about fixing problems in the offseason and letting the team grow. He’ll most likely do that this spring.

But when new problems pop up in-season, the team just doesn’t seem to have the wherewithal to withstand them. It happens time after time. The Falcons have to have everything break their way in order to achieve ultimate success. If that doesn’t happen, neither do the Falcons.

The rare example of this came in 2016, when the team lost Desmond Trufant to injury, and Jalen Collins stepped up. The team did get the benefit of having Quinn take the plays over in that stretch, which gave them the defensive boost they needed. Collins is gone now, and Quinn hasn’t called the plays since the Super Bowl.

But what would’ve happened that year if the team had gotten more banged up? Well, you saw down the stretch.

What will the Falcons have to do to fix this? Who knows. It’s not something you can just pinpoint to fix through the draft, or in free agency, or with a coaching change. The entire mentality of the organization has to change, the players you bring in have to have fight in them, the entire team has to have a strong left hook and a nasty counter-punch.

No matter the eventual solution, McKelvin called it two years ago.

He doesn’t have to stay right, though.

If the Falcons want a Super Bowl, they’re going to have to figure out how to be tough and resilient ... no, not in general. When it counts.

It’s time for the Falcons to break away from the front-running mentality. It’s time for them to shed the dome-friendly visage. It’s time for them to be 100% tough.

It’s time for the Atlanta Falcons to get a backbone. Here’s desperately hoping they find one.

There is nothing here written or that I have said in the past that I can disagree with. 

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1 hour ago, shc said:

So bullied to you is a close loss?

I'm talking about opposing D-lines bulling the Falcons O-line which causes our offense to not score a lot, and then the other teams control time of possession by running the ball all over our defense. This keeps the call away from Matt Ryan for an extended period of time. In 4 of the 5 losses to the previous 2 Super Bowl champs. We've scored a total of 15, 7, 10, and 12 points. I don't care how close the game was. Our offense was terrible in most of those games so they didn't even give us a chance to win. In the Super Bowl we gave up 31 answered to the Patriots and didn't have the strong run game or defense to finish them out. It always starts with the line of scrimmage, that's my point. 

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This team has NEVER made adjustments. It's as if we have a "Plan A" and if that happens to work, we are fine and play with the hope that the other team doesn't figure out a way to beat "Plan A" before the end of the game.

If "Plan A" doesn't work, we shut down. We have no "Plan B" or "Plan C". We just stand around going "WTF?" for the rest of the game and hope the other team does something stupid that makes "Plan A" suddenly work.

The Falcons have been doing this as long as I have been a fan, and that is nearly my entire 54 years of life. 

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On 12/12/2018 at 11:03 AM, PokerSteve said:

Quinn's teams don't look to put opponents away, they look for a good spot to go into a shell.

Perfect description :golfclap:

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2 hours ago, jstammer said:

This team has NEVER made adjustments. It's as if we have a "Plan A" and if that happens to work, we are fine and play with the hope that the other team doesn't figure out a way to beat "Plan A" before the end of the game.

If "Plan A" doesn't work, we shut down. We have no "Plan B" or "Plan C". We just stand around going "WTF?" for the rest of the game and hope the other team does something stupid that makes "Plan A" suddenly work.

The Falcons have been doing this as long as I have been a fan, and that is nearly my entire 54 years of life. 

Good to see you back, and I'm sure the angst here is familiar :(

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2 hours ago, jstammer said:

This team has NEVER made adjustments. It's as if we have a "Plan A" and if that happens to work, we are fine and play with the hope that the other team doesn't figure out a way to beat "Plan A" before the end of the game.

If "Plan A" doesn't work, we shut down. We have no "Plan B" or "Plan C". We just stand around going "WTF?" for the rest of the game and hope the other team does something stupid that makes "Plan A" suddenly work.

The Falcons have been doing this as long as I have been a fan, and that is nearly my entire 54 years of life. 

Preach. This problem goes way back further than Smitty and Quinn.

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3 hours ago, jstammer said:

This team has NEVER made adjustments. It's as if we have a "Plan A" and if that happens to work, we are fine and play with the hope that the other team doesn't figure out a way to beat "Plan A" before the end of the game.

If "Plan A" doesn't work, we shut down. We have no "Plan B" or "Plan C". We just stand around going "WTF?" for the rest of the game and hope the other team does something stupid that makes "Plan A" suddenly work.

The Falcons have been doing this as long as I have been a fan, and that is nearly my entire 54 years of life. 

Ok, what’s plan A?

Quinn: All Gas

whats plan B?

Quinn: No Brakes

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The Falcons have mainly been a smoke and mirrors gimmick finesse team since June Jones and the run and shoot.  Occasionally, outstanding fullbacks like Bob Christian, Ovie and DiMarco have somewhat masked the franchise's neglect of building superior lines, but generally the teams philosophical obsession with speed and urgent athleticism has served as a ceiling for this franchise.

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