Change my mind: Matt Ryan has one of the worst deep balls in the NFL

[I Even Bleed Red 2,563]

Let’s argue.

 

[NOVAFalconFan 4,074]

Nuh uh!

[Sun Tzu 7 9,410]

In order to throw a deep ball you need to be able to set your feet and have proper form.

That takes time to do.

One thing that’s been a common theme is he hasn’t had time to do that.  He has to rush his throws,  his form isn’t great, and the long ball suffers.

[RiseUpFalcs 785]

Just now, Sun Tzu 7 said:

In order to throw a deep ball you need to be able to set your feet and have proper form.

That takes time to do.

One thing that’s been a common theme is he hasn’t had time to do that.  He has to rush his throws,  his form isn’t great, and the long ball suffers.

This times 1,000. 

[IA Falcon07 253]

5 minutes ago, I Even Bleed Red said:

Let’s argue.

 

It’s been less than stellar but so has his ability to step into anything other than a 3 step drop. **** some of the pressurers were so fast today he didn’t even get a chance on 3 steps 

[FalconFanSince1970 18,121]

7 minutes ago, I Even Bleed Red said:

Let’s argue.

 

Never really been good on the deep ball but the one to Julio today was a flat out duck. Worst I've seen from him. Turrible.

[NOVAFalconFan 4,074]

2 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

In order to throw a deep ball you need to be able to set your feet and have proper form.

That takes time to do.

One thing that’s been a common theme is he hasn’t had time to do that.  He has to rush his throws,  his form isn’t great, and the long ball suffers.

You have to start off by calculating the hive.  Once you have that, you do a regression model to see if it is correlative to the sop dap.  Our problem is that there are too many null integers that are cotangent to the sop dap.  Can we work through it?  Maybe.  Does a cat slide down the mountain on theater butter?

[SpongeDad 13,891]

11 minutes ago, I Even Bleed Red said:

Let’s argue.

 

Let me introduce you to my wife.

[I Even Bleed Red 2,563]

7 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

In order to throw a deep ball you need to be able to set your feet and have proper form.

That takes time to do.

One thing that’s been a common theme is he hasn’t had time to do that.  He has to rush his throws,  his form isn’t great, and the long ball suffers.

I don't mean just this yr. I mean through out his career. Change my mind. 

[FalconinPA 10,676]

That thing he threw to Julio today was one of his worst passes ever. Julio didn't know if he should try to jump and grab or fair catch it. It looked like a punt.

[⚡Slumerican⚡ 3,174]

10 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

In order to throw a deep ball you need to be able to set your feet and have proper form.

That takes time to do.

One thing that’s been a common theme is he hasn’t had time to do that.  He has to rush his throws,  his form isn’t great, and the long ball suffers.

I've watched many qb's throw bombs down field this season on the run.. How is that possible then? 

[⚡Slumerican⚡ 3,174]

9 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Never really been good on the deep ball but the one to Julio today was a flat out duck. Worst I've seen from him. Turrible.

Ducks wabble, that was the definition of a moon ball.. So embarrassing 

[WhenFalconsWin 21,100]

Yes, you need more time but he sucks at it. He cannot wait to throw the ball he needs to let it go early.

After the fake pump I knew he was that because he doesn't have the arm strength.

He's good at mid-range passes, but let's not kid ourselves on the deep ball. 

[since68andcounting 3,160]

10 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Never really been good on the deep ball but the one to Julio today was a flat out duck. Worst I've seen from him. Turrible.

The second one was nearly as bad. About 8 yards offline. Honestly it seems like Julio barely goes after the ball anymore. If one hit him in stride in the hands he'd be so shocked he'd drop it. 

[FalconJim 1,025]

4 minutes ago, FalconFanSince1970 said:

Never really been good on the deep ball but the one to Julio today was a flat out duck. Worst I've seen from him. Turrible.

Yea, Julio had to stop and wait about 2 seconds for the ball to come down!  It's like the trajectory on his long ball throws are too high, and not far enough.  I think a better O-line would help some of that, with giving him more time to set up, and get his feet right.  But like you say, Ryan has never been great on the long throws, and the last 2-3 years they've been less than stellar, to say the least ---- makes me wonder if he isn't having some kind of arm/shoulder issues....I hope not.  



 

[etherdome 4,473]

Joe Montana had a lousy deep ball.  Matt Ryan has a lousy deep ball.  

The difference is that Montana had an OL that could block.  

[FalconJim 1,025]

1 minute ago, etherdome said:

Joe Montana had a lousy deep ball.  Matt Ryan has a lousy deep ball.  

The difference is that Montana had an OL that could block.  

BINGO! 



 

[since68andcounting 3,160]

Whatever Matt did prior to the 2016 season he needs to do again. Cause that's the ONLY year in the last 5 that his deep ball has looked worth a crap.

[zekeyboy1 1,647]

2 minutes ago, etherdome said:

Joe Montana had a lousy deep ball.  Matt Ryan has a lousy deep ball.  

The difference is that Montana had an OL that could block.  

Montana and Ryan should never be used in the same sentence..Just sayin..

[zekeyboy1 1,647]

Montana also didnt move around like he had weights on his ankles..lol

Edited December 2, 2018 by zekeyboy1

[FalconFanSince1970 18,121]

5 minutes ago, FalconJim said:

Yea, Julio had to stop and wait about 2 seconds for the ball to come down!  It's like the trajectory on his long ball throws are too high, and not far enough.  I think a better O-line would help some of that, with giving him more time to set up, and get his feet right.  But like you say, Ryan has never been great on the long throws, and the last 2-3 years they've been less than stellar, to say the least ---- makes me wonder if he isn't having some kind of arm/shoulder issues....I hope not.  



 

I think that one slipped. At least I hope so.

The year he went to the throwing camp in Cali his deep ball was much better. No excess air under it.

Won MVP and went to a Bowl. He needs to go back to that camp.

[FalconinPA 10,676]

1 minute ago, zekeyboy1 said:

Montana also didnt move around like he had weights on his ankles..

Nothing but a bunch of truth here

[slickgadawg 2,598]

33 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

In order to throw a deep ball you need to be able to set your feet and have proper form.

That takes time to do.

One thing that’s been a common theme is he hasn’t had time to do that.  He has to rush his throws,  his form isn’t great, and the long ball suffers.

Polease... 

Edited December 2, 2018 by slickgadawg

[shock 1,351]

Not being able to read the field longer than 3 seconds max is definitely a big factor. But he consistently misses wide open guys deep. 

[TheUsualStuff 3,166]

23 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

In order to throw a deep ball you need to be able to set your feet and have proper form.

That takes time to do.

One thing that’s been a common theme is he hasn’t had time to do that.  He has to rush his throws,  his form isn’t great, and the long ball suffers.

Agree..

I try and be honest about Ryan and I know he doesn't have a really strong arm. He's def bottom half of the league, but he has overcome this in the past when he has had time to step into his throws. Every long ball he threw terribly today, he was throwing off his back foot if not absolutely falling backwards. He never has a chance to step up in the pocket like a lot of other guys do.

I get it. He doesn't have a really strong arm, but it's not fair to judge him with this craptastic O-line. With what we have protecting him, slow developing deep routes that don't start to break open until receivers are 40 yards downfield are going to be a disaster.