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Kareem Hunt = Ray Rice

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6 minutes ago, Falcanuck said:

I suggest you dig a little further back and have a look at what started the ‘country’ debate. You’ll notice I am debating one of said radicals. I also don’t think Canada is the greatest country in the world, hence the self-awareness piece. 

I read it all.  You took the bait and ran with it.  And I always appreciate your takes and being a proud Canadian.  Hopefully not a proud Canadien, though...

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At the end of the day, it's a business. He was released because he lied, not his actions.

Roseanne's show came back to shattering numbers earlier this year. She went on to say something extremely dumb on twitter that got her fired. The person who made the decision to fire her recently stepped down amid the numbers of the show that replaced Roseanne. 

Point is, the business side always reigns supreme. Not sure why anyone is on here preaching morality when the chick involved had as much to do with it as Hunt, yet is facing no consequences. 

Chris Brown had an accuser lie on him because he kicked her out of his mansion. Dude had to pay $750,000 bail. It was later revealed that she texted a friend she would lie on him to get him in trouble. So C Brown goes to jail, has his name smeared and comes out nearly a million while this girl launches a modeling career.

See a trend here?

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13 minutes ago, stizz said:

Chiefs are going to regret this. Suspend him for the rest of the year and let people forget. The Pats or Cowboys will pick this guy up and that'll be that.

Big Ben raped someone. Stallworth killed a guy driving drunk and is now preaching social justice on twitter. Vick ran a dog ring.

All worse than what Hunt did and they all had people forget of their past. 

To be fair there have also been whispers of the Chiefs ownership being racialist.

The guy from the show with Chris Carter mentioned something about it when talking about how they unloaded Marcus Peters.

That being said what Hunt did was in no way shape or form acceptable.  Was it Ray Rice fist to the face? No but it’s still way past what is acceptable.

It also shows Hunt is an idiot.  When you have that much to lose you can’t do **** like that.  Based on one of his boys grabbing the phone from that girl they knew how this was going to look.  Guess they forgot about the security footage.

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This season is over but at 23 and with that level of talent he'll play again.  The NFL does not care about this.  Everyone points to Ray Rice but he was old and washed when his video dropped.  Joe Mixon is currently in the NFL and getting plenty of shine.

Wouldn't surprise me at all to see him on a team next season.

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18 minutes ago, stizz said:

At the end of the day, it's a business. He was released because he lied, not his actions.

Roseanne's show came back to shattering numbers earlier this year. She went on to say something extremely dumb on twitter that got her fired. The person who made the decision to fire her recently stepped down amid the numbers of the show that replaced Roseanne. 

Point is, the business side always reigns supreme. Not sure why anyone is on here preaching morality when the chick involved had as much to do with it as Hunt, yet is facing no consequences. 

Chris Brown had an accuser lie on him because he kicked her out of his mansion. Dude had to pay $750,000 bail. It was later revealed that she texted a friend she would lie on him to get him in trouble. So C Brown goes to jail, has his name smeared and comes out nearly a million while this girl launches a modeling career.

See a trend here?

Dude I very rarely agree with you but you nailed it on the head. Excellent post. 

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1 hour ago, slamee101 said:

This season is over but at 23 and with that level of talent he'll play again.  The NFL does not care about this.  Everyone points to Ray Rice but he was old and washed when his video dropped.  Joe Mixon is currently in the NFL and getting plenty of shine.

Wouldn't surprise me at all to see him on a team next season.

I agree with you. I doubt he’s doing. It’s all about optics. The fact that he lied about it was the biggest issue. The NFL doesn’t look at women as an entity to be protected, they look at them as a business does, which commodities. They care above their bottom line. Hypothetically, if men stopped watching football because the NFL didn’t address the issue of men fighting other men, there would be a sweeping reform in policy and punishment. This is a reason why there is a double standard when it comes to violence.

If a player hit another player, it’s a game suspension. If a player hits another man off the field, he may miss a game. If a player hits a woman he’s out for at least the season. The underlying issue in all this violence. If a violent act takes place there should be equal punishment based on severity. 

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For everyone white knighting this situation because there was a female involved is sexist, whether you want to acknowledge that or not.

 

And someone saying it is not as bad as the Ray Tice incident isn't condoning it, just recognizing there is a different degree of violence between the two situations. 

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3 hours ago, RING OF HONOR said:

I was raised differently I guess...I have a sister...and was raised by my grandmother and mother...I would never put my hands on a woman unless its life threatening...there is no excuse...it doesn't matter what she called him...it was wrong...If any man pushed my daughter down and kicked her....and with the rage in which he was acting....

I can guarantee he would not have been able to walk...

 

Got a sister too, and she's raise weapons at me before, and you think I'm going to just stand there like a fool? Y'all act like all women are weak as ****, and that's why I call BS on this it's not a blanketed thing. I agree he could have handled that better, but **** it all I don't know what she actually said or did all we see is the aftermath.

If y'all could step back for a second, realize everyone for 1. Grows up in different environments 2. Not all women are angels. Then I believe we might be able to have some serious discussions.

Hate to be this way, but the majority of time why I butt out of DV situations mostly is because no one knows what is really going on except the two involved. Video/Photo evidence can be ****ing or manipulated, and the sad part is it's only a sneak peek into what's really going on.

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40 minutes ago, shc said:

For everyone white knighting this situation because there was a female involved is sexist, whether you want to acknowledge that or not.

 

And someone saying it is not as bad as the Ray Tice incident isn't condoning it, just recognizing there is a different degree of violence between the two situations. 

I truly hate White Knights and Simps because I use to be that way especially during the Ray Rice incident, but slowly opening my eyes has changed that a lot. People think we're condoning it because we don't side with the female 1000% all the way every time. They view DV cases as literal open/shut it's always the man's fault, but show them an opposite scenario and everyone just laughs until the guy has had enough.

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I just saw the headline and watched the video. This happened in February, but I have not heard one word about it. 

The video I watched said the woman asked the front desk to call 911 and the guy at the desk refused and made a comment to the effect of "that's what you get for being a slut." 

If there was an investigation and no charges filed, I guess that is good legally, but it's a bad PR look for him and the Chiefs. The video shows him shoving, kicking and rushing towards her. It's not a good look... He said she used the N word. Never condone that, I hate the word in any context, as the high profile person he has to keep a cool head. 

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22 hours ago, Faithful Falcon said:

So he pushed his friend into her, and she hit her head on the wall. The kick was a "you play too much kick" not a "Matt Bryant B*tch"!

I can admit that this didn't look "brutal". In the eyes of the law, assault is assault. Yes, there are different degrees, but an assault did take place. 

Our culture is really out of wack. It's been going on for decades. We all know there are women that seek out men/athlete/entertainers with money/power to hopefully get a check or juts hang on for the ride, party and fame. Guys in return expect some action. When it doesn't go down like you plan, the last thing you need to do is start assaulting people. 

He needed to be smarter. It would have been even better had he not been there at all. Some people think they have to just live this lifestyle while they are young and have what women want. Well, it may all be over for good for him. Was it worth it? You did the hard part and made it to the NFL and took the league by storm. You let a woman be your downfall. History repeats itself again. Not the first and will not be the last. 

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10 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

 

I feel sorry for your female companions 

 

So how is that push kick equivalent to Ray Rice or Joe Mixon throwing a punch at a woman's head?  Or T Hill beating up a preggo lady and choking her?  That kick isn't even in the same ball park as these previous transgressions or others that players in the NFL have committed, yet still played.  You need to get your head checked if you think that kick was equivalent to the examples I posted.  The headline for the link is that Hunt brutalized a woman, but that is just click bait and nothing was brutalizing about it.  Ray Rice knocking out a woman is him brutalizing her. 

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12 minutes ago, dawgsjw said:

So how is that push kick equivalent to Ray Rice or Joe Mixon throwing a punch at a woman's head?  Or T Hill beating up a preggo lady and choking her?  That kick isn't even in the same ball park as these previous transgressions or others that players in the NFL have committed, yet still played.  You need to get your head checked if you think that kick was equivalent to the examples I posted.  The headline for the link is that Hunt brutalized a woman, but that is just click bait and nothing was brutalizing about it.  Ray Rice knocking out a woman is him brutalizing her. 

Now go back and read every single post I’ve posted and show me where I have said that it was anything similar. Get your eyes checked. Like I said. I hope y’all got the same energy you have now if it happens to a female in your life. Just look at them and tell them it wasn’t that bad

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Just now, ya_boi_j said:

Now go back and read every single post I’ve posted and show me where I have said that it was anything similar. Get your eyes checked

Now go back and read every single post I've posted and show me how you came to the inaccurate conclusion that would have you feel sorry for my female companions?  I'm sorry you can't look at the Hunt situation and tell there is a big difference between what he did vs others like Ray Rice, Joe Mixon, or T Hill.  Just because one can see that there are different varying degrees to certain situations doesn't mean that they threat others bad just because you are too inept to see this. 

I feel sorry for the people who have to put up with you in real life as you seemingly love to jump to conclusions and accusations without any facts. 

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3 minutes ago, dawgsjw said:

Now go back and read every single post I've posted and show me how you came to the inaccurate conclusion that would have you feel sorry for my female companions?  I'm sorry you can't look at the Hunt situation and tell there is a big difference between what he did vs others like Ray Rice, Joe Mixon, or T Hill.  Just because one can see that there are different varying degrees to certain situations doesn't mean that they threat others bad just because you are too inept to see this. 

I feel sorry for the people who have to put up with you in real life as you seemingly love to jump to conclusions and accusations without any facts. 

I feel sorry for the people who have to put up with you in real life, especially females. You have to live with your choices. Gladly I’m not in your shoes. 

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2 hours ago, Zone#7 said:

Got a sister too, and she's raise weapons at me before, and you think I'm going to just stand there like a fool? Y'all act like all women are weak as ****, and that's why I call BS on this it's not a blanketed thing. I agree he could have handled that better, but **** it all I don't know what she actually said or did all we see is the aftermath.

If y'all could step back for a second, realize everyone for 1. Grows up in different environments 2. Not all women are angels. Then I believe we might be able to have some serious discussions.

Hate to be this way, but the majority of time why I butt out of DV situations mostly is because no one knows what is really going on except the two involved. Video/Photo evidence can be ****ing or manipulated, and the sad part is it's only a sneak peek into what's really going on.

I grew up in Atlanta....I moved in dangerous circles growing up.... I have seen women with guns...and even women who would and who have shot at folks...I clearly stated only if my life was in danger....other than that....Im not hitting a woman...

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and for future folks that want to @ me...

Ive only stated my opinion on hitting women...and how I wouldn't do it...I havent sad one thing about Rice or Hunt..so keep me out of what ever the **** else yall talking about...

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20 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

I feel sorry for the people who have to put up with you in real life, especially females. You have to live with your choices. Gladly I’m not in your shoes. 

I'm sure all those females that have to 'put up' with me are so shook to the core that I think there levels to violent crimes.  Sorry you are too narrow minded to view all crimes as being equal, such as a half *** kick to a womans shoulder vs T Hill beating up a pregnant lady and her fetus.  I'm sorry you can't see the difference between these two incidents.  But let me guess that the reason why you are white knighting this situation is that there must be a chick you are trying impress?  

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12 minutes ago, dawgsjw said:

I'm sure all those females that have to 'put up' with me are so shook to the core that I think there levels to violent crimes.  Sorry you are too narrow minded to view all crimes as being equal, such as a half *** kick to a womans shoulder vs T Hill beating up a pregnant lady and her fetus.  I'm sorry you can't see the difference between these two incidents.  But let me guess that the reason why you are white knighting this situation is that there must be a chick you are trying impress?  

I’m sorry you’re to stupid to realize that I have not once compared this to any other incident  funny how you accused me of jumping to conclusions and making assumptions yet you’re sitting right here doing what you accuse me of. Then turn to complete stupidity to end your ignorance. I’m done with this bs. You guys keep supporting males who feel the need to be the aggressor when it comes to females. 

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9 hours ago, ya_boi_j said:

It’s funny to keep saying this is no big deal because they were drunk. Smfh. If you guys truly feel that way then honestly **** each and every single one of you that do. I grew up in a household with drunken violence that was inflicted onto my mother from my father so this is a big ****in deal and something that shouldn’t be accepted or tolerated. I don’t care what the situation is, no man should ever put his hands on a female in a violent manner. So **** each and every single person in this thread who thinks it’s not a big deal and **** the racist as well. And no I don’t give a **** if I get banned. You “men” ****in disgust me. Makes no ******* sense. 

I hear you and you are correct. Assault is assault. It doesn't matter if all parties are drunk or if the physical contact wasn't great in nature. 

We are seeing a bunch of "tribalism" in our society. People refuse to call out bad behavior in one of their own. It's especially evident politically. We see it with athletes, males, police, coaches/teachers, etc. It's all very shameful. Most people guilty of it will tell you they are a good person that believes in laws and morals but they don't practice what they preach. 

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3 hours ago, Zone#7 said:

I truly hate White Knights and Simps because I use to be that way especially during the Ray Rice incident, but slowly opening my eyes has changed that a lot. People think we're condoning it because we don't side with the female 1000% all the way every time. They view DV cases as literal open/shut it's always the man's fault, but show them an opposite scenario and everyone just laughs until the guy has had enough.

When dealing with a situations like this there are plenty of nuances to what went on. Things are hardly ever “open and shut” despite what many people wish it to be. I find it sad that in the Rice case that the woman he hit married him so she didn’t have to testify against him.

The problem with people who say that “You should never under any circumstances hit a women.”, is that true feminists hate that kind of talk. To them it’s belittling and making them out to be a class of people that needs men to protect them. 

There definitely is a double standard when it comes to men. It has been my experience that the aforementioned people in the previous paragraph remain quiet or are judgemental of men that claim abuse. 

Bottom line is that the NFL needs to make a blanketed rule on violence in general. If a player is violent towards other men and gets away with it, it’ll increases the chances of that player thinking he could do anything he wants. This can lead to him getting violent with a woman later down the road. It’s better to nip it in the bud when any violence is noted rather than waiting until it’s a specific gender. 

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7 hours ago, Vandy said:

Doesn’t matter how the woman acted or provoked, the bigger issue is how we as men should conduct ourselves in given situations. And how we shouldn’t get ourselves in those situations in the first place.

I don't know Vandy,  I think we need to be sending the right message to both men and women.  Bad behavior is genderless and we are not going to get better outcomes if we don't have higher standards for both men and women. 

That being said I 100% agree with you that the time to be reasonable is before you make the choices that lead you into stressful shouting matches that can easily turn into far more.  Biologically speaking all of us are subject to the amygdala hijack and will find it difficult to reason, access our morals and at some point we do not see gender, social relationships or much of anything else in that state.

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5 hours ago, Falconsin2012 said:

I read it all.  You took the bait and ran with it.  And I always appreciate your takes and being a proud Canadian.  Hopefully not a proud Canadien, though...

Go Leafs, brother. 

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On 11/30/2018 at 3:58 PM, ya_boi_j said:

Now it makes sense why peeps wanted Greg Hardy and Reuben Foster

I was actually researching past posts on the TAFT to see if this was accurate and it was surprisingly true. You happened to be one of those people.

This was after his first domestic abuse case in 2014. I'm honestly not trying to pick on you or cause an argument, but I am generally curious on what was different about Hardy's situation back then that made you overlook his domestic violence case and want him on our team.

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