caponine Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) Justin Hardy Fair catch everything ?? There were multiple times Sunday where he had room and he just raised his hands. He had at least 10 yards if not more between him and the closest man Edited November 6, 2018 by caponine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyicefalcon Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Coach Quinn instructed him to do so. Its a simple plan. Hand the ball over to Matt Ryan. Period! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caponine Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, mattyicefalcon said: Coach Quinn instructed him to do so. Its a simple plan. Hand the ball over to Matt Ryan. Period! All that tells me is he doesnt wanna return punts then . Edited November 6, 2018 by caponine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octoslash Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 With the offense averaging almost 30 per game I'll take the reliable hands and no runbacks all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caponine Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, octoslash said: With the offense averaging almost 30 per game I'll take the reliable hands and no runbacks all day. there’s gonna be games where field position is crucial. Are you sure you’re fine with that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Disagree about him not wanting to. I stated this the other day and will say it again, peeps got spoiled by guys like Weems and Hester. Even Hester had his moments where he fair catched a lot of punts. The only time a player should take off is if there is a big enough window to where you can get more than 5 yards. Is it truly worth it to a player to return a ball for minimum yards?? End of the day, the point is to protect the ball and keep respectful field position. Sometimes you let it bounce hoping for that lucky bounce back or into the endzone but sometimes you get that unlucky bounce. That's something you don't control. Put yourself in the position where you have to stand in one spot watching the ball and gunners shooting at you and you have to make a decision to get murdered or just play it safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caponine Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, ya_boi_j said: Disagree about him not wanting to. I stated this the other day and will say it again, peeps got spoiled by guys like Weems and Hester. Even Hester had his moments where he fair catched a lot of punts. The only time a player should take off is if there is a big enough window to where you can get more than 5 yards. Is it truly worth it to a player to return a ball for minimum yards?? End of the day, the point is to protect the ball and keep respectful field position. Sometimes you let it bounce hoping for that lucky bounce back or into the endzone but sometimes you get that unlucky bounce. That's something you don't control. Put yourself in the position where you have to stand in one spot watching the ball and gunners shooting at you and you have to make a decision to get murdered or just play it safe i can agree with that but in important games on crucial drives i’d much rather start at the 35 rather than the 5 or 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octoslash Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, caponine said: there’s gonna be games where field position is crucial. Are you sure you’re fine with that ? I get your point, but I don't worry about things that might happen. I'm talking about things that are happening. And right now this offense is driving 75, 80 and more yards and scoring TDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdawg4876 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I understand the pt though we have no real punt returner which is sad bc yesterday we caused a lot of punts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quotemokc Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Whilst I would prefer Hall returning punts. Tell me which of today's punts would have been better off not fair catching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Just now, caponine said: i can agree with that but in important games on crucial drives i’d much rather start at the 35 rather than the 5 or 10. But you have to factor in every single aspect involved, especially hang time. It's fully on the punter to put you in position to return the ball or not. If the ball is in the air to long, Deion Sanders isn't even returning punts. You also have to factor in the speed of these players these days on special teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, quotemokc said: Whilst I would prefer Hall returning punts. Tell me which of today's punts would have been better off not fair catching. There was one where he had some room but the punt had actually been really high. It's hard for a punt returner to guage how well the gunners have been blocked while tracking the ball. Couldn't blame him. Hardy is just doing what he has been instructed to do, protect the ball. That seems obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caponine Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, octoslash said: I get your point, but I don't worry about things that might happen. I'm talking about things that are happening. And right now this offense is driving 75, 80 and more yards and scoring TDs. i can see your point , i just wanna see some electric punt returns honestly thats an area we have definitely been lacking in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caponine Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, jdawg4876 said: I understand the pt though we have no real punt returner which is sad bc yesterday we caused a lot of punts it was sad too see because our other areas are as so explosive thats the only one thats not up what we thought it would be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriMeTiiMe Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 As long as he is not fumbling I won't complain too much. The average punt return is only like 5 yards anyway. Yeah it would be nice to have a nice return here and there but I won't complain about it as long as he secures the ball and isn't catching punts inside of our 5 yardline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Peyton said: There was one where he had some room but the punt had actually been really high. It's hard for a punt returner to guage how well the gunners have been blocked while tracking the ball. Couldn't blame him. Hardy is just doing what he has been instructed to do, protect the ball. That seems obvious. Yeah I agree. It’s one thing if a guy has more than a second to be able to actually make a realistic move. But when you know you aren’t going to have time, what’s the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerz Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I’m just glad he has sure hands. I dont care too much for the punting game anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdawg4876 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jerz #DukeSZN said: I’m just glad he has sure hands. I dont care too much for the punting game anymore. I do love the first punt though hardy in the shade ball lands no where near him. im a hardy fan as a possession wr in the redzone but as far as a pr he is just ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jerz #DukeSZN said: I’m just glad he has sure hands. I dont care too much for the punting game anymore. That’s the most important thing. Remember when harry ignored instructions, caught a bouncer, took off and turned the ball over. You don’t want that. Even hester himself called fair catch and had moments where he was obsolete in the return game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmitt Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 From the shadows on the field, That didn't look like an easy place to field a punt. With the way our offense is playing, why take a chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Dude averages 4.8 yards a return. So do you want to start at the 20 or the 24.8 yard line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quotemokc Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Here are stills of each punt paused at the point of catch or in the case of the first punt when the ball hit the ground and on the right you can see the down and what the outcome was. #1 Ok this was weird, went right over his head into the middle of the field and bounced deeper #2 Ran it out but only got 4 yards, Hall might have been able to get a bit more #3 Player in his face as he fair catches #4 Definitely could have tried to make a play here instead of taking the fair catch #5 Player in his face as he fair catches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caponine Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, quotemokc said: Here are stills of each punt paused at the point of catch or in the case of the first punt when the ball hit the ground and on the right you can see the down and what the outcome was. #1 Ok this was weird, went right over his head into the middle of the field and bounced deeper #2 Ran it out but only got 4 yards, Hall might have been able to get a bit more #3 Player in his face as he fair catches #4 Definitely could have tried to make a play here instead of taking the fair catch #5 Player in his face as he fair catches #4, was the one i was talking about. Thats the one and I didnt know what went on with #1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caponine Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 31 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said: But you have to factor in every single aspect involved, especially hang time. It's fully on the punter to put you in position to return the ball or not. If the ball is in the air to long, Deion Sanders isn't even returning punts. You also have to factor in the speed of these players these days on special teams. While i agree, most punt returners are shifty and can make something happen. I can understand if a guy is in your face but if he’s not then lets give it a try but i agree with your point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, caponine said: While i agree, most punt returners are shifty and can make something happen. I can understand if a guy is in your face but if he’s not then lets give it a try but i agree with your point Most punt returners who are fielding punts are also track stars lol. If you have the time, only to kinda put the theory to test yourself, go and watch some of the best returners of todays NFL and compare the amount of time they have to make moves, amount of hang time, etc.... One thing to keep in mind that every situation's gonna be different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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